if you don't like it can you simply just, oh i don't know.. NOT buy the game?
if you liked diablo the old way and wanted this to be the same and are now upset you can't play it the way you want to, then please, for the love of god, go cry in a corner on your own and stop moaning on a forum. see Zarrak's post for a nicely constructed, sensible view.
if you think blizzard are money grabbing, then you seriously need to go learn what the word 'business' means, as it sure as hell doesn't mean 'make small minority of hardcore fan boys happy and make less money'.
Regarding selling characters, you can do that in any game. Just not legally. This is taking out the corrupt middleman.
It's an interesting concept that I'm curious how it'll pan out. Could go horribly wrong or fix up the hole left by game asset sale that already exists in Diablo and WoW.
I am quite surprised to notice that barely anyone here have mentioned the no mod support. Fuck that.
The lack of mod support was known (not like diablo games ever had any kind of editor/sdk anyway). The surprising thing is that they outright ban mods.
On the other hand... meh! As long as they allow us to rip out the models/effects/sounds/music and use them in SC2! :D
Who cares if Blizzard takes a small % of that, really. They aren't putting in items and selling the power themselves which is what I am strongly against. It
It's not even a %. They said it would be a fixed value, not a percentage of the price. Maybe some kind of range, like 5$ fee for anything above or equal 100$ (pure speculation).
Hopefully blizzard is not going to charge us for putting an item on the auction house for gold instead of $$.
The gold auction house will most likely have a fee (in gold ofc, not $$), just like in WoW. It's a great way to get rid of excess gold and I hear Diablo has always had trouble with that :P
i cannot understand anyone who is supportive of this idea ever. my fucking mind is blown at people supporting this.
yes valve did. i also bought a TF2 which did not have a cash shop and i have never once purchased an item with real money. it goes against everything i play games for.
whats next, if diablo 3 makes record sales which it probably will every fucking game will implement a cash shop
call of duty - "people already boost. so we just offered to sell a max prestige everything unlocked character for an extra fee!"
wow - "people already sell gold so we just integrated that into the AH. it worked for D3!"
wow - "people already pay for power levelling, so we just sold them max level characters in full tierwhatever!"
starcraft - "people already pay to get their accounts boosted in ranks. so we just integrated buying straight ladder points along with our map marketplace!"
yea. this is a great business move. turning a market you have no slice off and integrating it into the game to steal that for yourself.
no-one wants to play a game by a business man.
atleast i dont.
fuck this. buy whatever the fuck you want. support whatever fucking absurd money grubbing scam you want. it's your money right?
The lack of mod support was known (not like diablo games ever had any kind of editor/sdk anyway). The surprising thing is that they outright ban mods.
On the other hand... meh! As long as they allow us to rip out the models/effects/sounds/music and use them in SC2! :D
Yeah, I actually meant their mod prohibition. A few D2 mods were quite fun, like median.
I recently played some D2, and it's true that these item-shops has ruined that game lately, but why not do something about the whole concept of item-shops, instead of the people that would otherwise get these money.. I understand that Blizzard dont want other people to make money off their product, that's fair! But as part of the game-industry, they should realize that the concept is just all wrong - It's like giving the dealer in poker some cash under the table to gain better cards - and the whole concept should be as banned as cheats! To see Blizzard run this system themself is plain up disgusting to me. Blizzard should instead use their incredible power and ban those who sells and buys these items for RLC, than taking over the system.
I would've been more happy about a monthly fee, if that's what it's all about..
Who cares if you can sell items if the graphics are dated and the game-play is dumbed-down?
I personally am a hoarder, so I couldn't possibly comprehend selling anything I ever pick up, ever. I don't care if it's worth even $5 real American bucks I ain't sellin' it.
The point is what I said as my first point that is.
I don't know what's the current subject, nor am I going to read through 3 pages of posts to figure it out cause it seems to be an argument. I'll simply post what I think about Sixen's post.
I would first of all like to say that Diablo has been a GREAT influence of my life, having played the game for MORE than 8 years of my life. Yes. Eight. D2JSP is no where close to being a "shady" 3rd party site. On the contrary, it's actually a legit way to trade items. You were never obligated to buy forum gold (The currency on D2JSP) although the option was open to you. In a way, Blizzard ATTEMPTED to shut down these sort of websites. Let me explain where I'm going with this.
They can either add a Real Money Auction House or a D2 Gold Auction House, but not both. Nobody will want D2 gold...when they can have real cash. Lets be honest with ourselves. The human race is greedy, and it's with real money we become richer, not virtual money. Having a Real Money AH will run the other out of business.
Not only this, but the currency will be quite different in the Diablo III realm. in D2JSP, and to all those of you who know a bit about D2 items, a Shako is worth a couple of FG, a 1-bo CTA might go for 10 while the 6-bo might go for 75 FG. If D3s' Gold system is anything like D2s' gold system, a 1-bo CTA will go for waht....150k gold? A 6-bo CTA will go for 1000k?
It's a little strange, but I'm pretty sure that people will still rely on websites like D2JSP to do their shopping instead of using an AH in which the customers simply CAN NOT win.
Blizzard is a company who is there to make money. They will not go out of their way to please the community, we've all seen that in WoW and SC2 since they released their "Battle.net 2.0". All we're going to see is that this Real Money AH is going to cost a subscription fee, and they will take 90% of the money of what your item will cost on their AH.
Don't get me wrong, I'll still buy D3 and play it with as much heart as I've played D2. I'm simply saying that I won't fall into the hole that so many others will.
Nobody will want D2 gold...when they can have real cash. Lets be honest with ourselves. The human race is greedy, and it's with real money we become richer, not virtual money. Having a Real Money AH will run the other out of business.
Nah, I foresee 2 situations:
1) People can't be arsed to pay the small fee to put up an item on the $AH , so they put em up on the gold one instead, where people buy them for gold and put them onto the $AH
2) (I think I read somewhere that D3 Gold can be itemized, so then this would apply) The value of gold is weird, so people sell stuff on the gold AH and then sell the gold they made on the $AH where people buy that gold to buy items from the gold AH to put onto the $AH
Edit: Also, there will always be lower quality items that are nearly worthless on the $AH that people will instead put up on the gold AH
All we're going to see is that this Real Money AH is going to cost a subscription fee, and they will take 90% of the money of what your item will cost on their AH.
Well I suppose it may be for the best. At least this way, blizzard gets the profit instead of some illegal website service. I'd still prefer it if there was NO trading and whatnot, but that's pretty much impossible.
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It's just taking something that was already going to be there, accepting it, and integrating it into the game. I think it's a pretty bold move that just might end up working out.
and accidentally earning a shitload of money doing so ;)
we will see how it works once the servers are live
I think it's stupid for people to speculate about Blizzard's greed affecting the gameplay. It's never the case that such happens.
They might make the game annoying (no LAN, always online, one account, etc), but they're not going to change the game itself.
What's more worrying is them streamlining the game to attract a larger audience. Toning down the graphics to attract a larger audience with cheaper PC's.
My favorite part of the first game was that any type of character could wear any type of armor. But to me, Diablo 2 was a stream-lined version of Diablo 1.
I much more enjoyed the fact that any character could use any spell as long as they dropped for you. That was much more interesting to me than the skill trees.
This entire situation reminds me of a scene from the movie "Casino". The scene i am speaking of is where Ace took illegal bookies/sharks off the street and put them into a casino and made them legit.
Basically what i'm trying to say is even if this is a money grabbing thing, it still works in the favor of the security of the D3 playerbase. It would also most likely help get rid of those annoying spam bots advertising to sell items on their shady asian website.
Yeah for sure. Leave it to Blizz to innovate like this. Just like how they threw RPG heroes into an RTS and made it work (war3). I think in today's world they are smart to do something like this; it could end up supporting Diablo 3 to the point of an almost MMO length of updates. They have been pretty careful in their implementation of this $ AH, and I think if anyone, they could make it work without turning into chaos/crap.
This feels more like a social experiment than a game mechanic.
If it works, other companies in similar botting situations will undoubtably follow suite. Unfortunately I think this will just promote botting even more, with bots selling their ill-gotten rewards to the "legit" companies.
I don't see any problem with this. The size of the gaming market isn't relatively large (compared to movies and TV).
It's hard to design a game with a large budget and get back the cost. And then get free updates (which D2 got for a decade).
Getting a little bit of money from player transactions is a great solution for this. They're not even trying to sell us stupid DLC. They're letting the players decide the prices and sell the items.
Something like this might make big budget games more worth it, even if the game doesn't sell as many copies.
Don't you ever stop and think about how Blizzard can afford to update their games 10 years after their release? Doesn't it amaze you at all? This is a good thing. The more continuous income they get, the better their games will be.
If any type of game can get income continuously without forcing the players to purchase directly from the developer, it is a good thing. This will make other models besides worthless DLC and forced constraints on items worth it for publishers.
if you don't like it can you simply just, oh i don't know.. NOT buy the game?
if you liked diablo the old way and wanted this to be the same and are now upset you can't play it the way you want to, then please, for the love of god, go cry in a corner on your own and stop moaning on a forum. see Zarrak's post for a nicely constructed, sensible view.
if you think blizzard are money grabbing, then you seriously need to go learn what the word 'business' means, as it sure as hell doesn't mean 'make small minority of hardcore fan boys happy and make less money'.
nuff said.
I don't like the RL $$ for items. I really, really, really don't like selling charactors. Ughhh.
Hopefully blizzard is not going to charge us for putting an item on the auction house for gold instead of $$.
Regarding selling characters, you can do that in any game. Just not legally. This is taking out the corrupt middleman.
It's an interesting concept that I'm curious how it'll pan out. Could go horribly wrong or fix up the hole left by game asset sale that already exists in Diablo and WoW.
The lack of mod support was known (not like diablo games ever had any kind of editor/sdk anyway). The surprising thing is that they outright ban mods.
On the other hand... meh! As long as they allow us to rip out the models/effects/sounds/music and use them in SC2! :D
It's not even a %. They said it would be a fixed value, not a percentage of the price. Maybe some kind of range, like 5$ fee for anything above or equal 100$ (pure speculation).
The gold auction house will most likely have a fee (in gold ofc, not $$), just like in WoW. It's a great way to get rid of excess gold and I hear Diablo has always had trouble with that :P
i cannot understand anyone who is supportive of this idea ever. my fucking mind is blown at people supporting this.
yes valve did. i also bought a TF2 which did not have a cash shop and i have never once purchased an item with real money. it goes against everything i play games for.
whats next, if diablo 3 makes record sales which it probably will every fucking game will implement a cash shop
call of duty - "people already boost. so we just offered to sell a max prestige everything unlocked character for an extra fee!"
wow - "people already sell gold so we just integrated that into the AH. it worked for D3!"
wow - "people already pay for power levelling, so we just sold them max level characters in full tierwhatever!"
starcraft - "people already pay to get their accounts boosted in ranks. so we just integrated buying straight ladder points along with our map marketplace!"
yea. this is a great business move. turning a market you have no slice off and integrating it into the game to steal that for yourself.
no-one wants to play a game by a business man.
atleast i dont.
fuck this. buy whatever the fuck you want. support whatever fucking absurd money grubbing scam you want. it's your money right?
Yeah, I actually meant their mod prohibition. A few D2 mods were quite fun, like median.
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Didn people even sell accounts in wc3?`:D...I find that a bit weird, but if you want your icons go ahead and take em...
Why are people even discussing this?
Who cares if you can sell items if the graphics are dated and the game-play is dumbed-down?
I personally am a hoarder, so I couldn't possibly comprehend selling anything I ever pick up, ever. I don't care if it's worth even $5 real American bucks I ain't sellin' it.
The point is what I said as my first point that is.
I don't know what's the current subject, nor am I going to read through 3 pages of posts to figure it out cause it seems to be an argument. I'll simply post what I think about Sixen's post.
I would first of all like to say that Diablo has been a GREAT influence of my life, having played the game for MORE than 8 years of my life. Yes. Eight. D2JSP is no where close to being a "shady" 3rd party site. On the contrary, it's actually a legit way to trade items. You were never obligated to buy forum gold (The currency on D2JSP) although the option was open to you. In a way, Blizzard ATTEMPTED to shut down these sort of websites. Let me explain where I'm going with this.
They can either add a Real Money Auction House or a D2 Gold Auction House, but not both. Nobody will want D2 gold...when they can have real cash. Lets be honest with ourselves. The human race is greedy, and it's with real money we become richer, not virtual money. Having a Real Money AH will run the other out of business.
Not only this, but the currency will be quite different in the Diablo III realm. in D2JSP, and to all those of you who know a bit about D2 items, a Shako is worth a couple of FG, a 1-bo CTA might go for 10 while the 6-bo might go for 75 FG. If D3s' Gold system is anything like D2s' gold system, a 1-bo CTA will go for waht....150k gold? A 6-bo CTA will go for 1000k?
It's a little strange, but I'm pretty sure that people will still rely on websites like D2JSP to do their shopping instead of using an AH in which the customers simply CAN NOT win.
Blizzard is a company who is there to make money. They will not go out of their way to please the community, we've all seen that in WoW and SC2 since they released their "Battle.net 2.0". All we're going to see is that this Real Money AH is going to cost a subscription fee, and they will take 90% of the money of what your item will cost on their AH.
Don't get me wrong, I'll still buy D3 and play it with as much heart as I've played D2. I'm simply saying that I won't fall into the hole that so many others will.
Nah, I foresee 2 situations:
1) People can't be arsed to pay the small fee to put up an item on the $AH , so they put em up on the gold one instead, where people buy them for gold and put them onto the $AH
2) (I think I read somewhere that D3 Gold can be itemized, so then this would apply) The value of gold is weird, so people sell stuff on the gold AH and then sell the gold they made on the $AH where people buy that gold to buy items from the gold AH to put onto the $AH
Edit: Also, there will always be lower quality items that are nearly worthless on the $AH that people will instead put up on the gold AH
You're full of shit. Go read the facts.
@Tolkfan: Go
Well I suppose it may be for the best. At least this way, blizzard gets the profit instead of some illegal website service. I'd still prefer it if there was NO trading and whatnot, but that's pretty much impossible.
and accidentally earning a shitload of money doing so ;)
we will see how it works once the servers are live
I think it's stupid for people to speculate about Blizzard's greed affecting the gameplay. It's never the case that such happens.
They might make the game annoying (no LAN, always online, one account, etc), but they're not going to change the game itself.
What's more worrying is them streamlining the game to attract a larger audience. Toning down the graphics to attract a larger audience with cheaper PC's.
My favorite part of the first game was that any type of character could wear any type of armor. But to me, Diablo 2 was a stream-lined version of Diablo 1.
I much more enjoyed the fact that any character could use any spell as long as they dropped for you. That was much more interesting to me than the skill trees.
Alright, i am going to end this debate.
This entire situation reminds me of a scene from the movie "Casino". The scene i am speaking of is where Ace took illegal bookies/sharks off the street and put them into a casino and made them legit.
Basically what i'm trying to say is even if this is a money grabbing thing, it still works in the favor of the security of the D3 playerbase. It would also most likely help get rid of those annoying spam bots advertising to sell items on their shady asian website.
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@Bounty_98: Go
Yeah for sure. Leave it to Blizz to innovate like this. Just like how they threw RPG heroes into an RTS and made it work (war3). I think in today's world they are smart to do something like this; it could end up supporting Diablo 3 to the point of an almost MMO length of updates. They have been pretty careful in their implementation of this $ AH, and I think if anyone, they could make it work without turning into chaos/crap.
@Vexal: Go
Haha Vexal going on about graphics for pages and people just ignore to discuss AH.
This feels more like a social experiment than a game mechanic.
If it works, other companies in similar botting situations will undoubtably follow suite. Unfortunately I think this will just promote botting even more, with bots selling their ill-gotten rewards to the "legit" companies.
I don't see any problem with this. The size of the gaming market isn't relatively large (compared to movies and TV).
It's hard to design a game with a large budget and get back the cost. And then get free updates (which D2 got for a decade).
Getting a little bit of money from player transactions is a great solution for this. They're not even trying to sell us stupid DLC. They're letting the players decide the prices and sell the items.
Something like this might make big budget games more worth it, even if the game doesn't sell as many copies.
Don't you ever stop and think about how Blizzard can afford to update their games 10 years after their release? Doesn't it amaze you at all? This is a good thing. The more continuous income they get, the better their games will be.
If any type of game can get income continuously without forcing the players to purchase directly from the developer, it is a good thing. This will make other models besides worthless DLC and forced constraints on items worth it for publishers.
This is a good thing. Stop complaining. Please.
@Vexal: Go
Vexal makes a lot of sense!
Also, Eiviyn, let's hope that the additional revenue of the legit store will allow them to better monitor and prevent botting...