Ah, just like it reads in Revelations near the end, and then some site Moderator laughed at the damned as they went down into the pit of fire. Seriously EternalWraith, after all the research you've done to try to explain things, you are gonna lower yourself to this level?
Im not condeming the man. If anything, I wish he opened up his mind. His arrogance is both staggering and mocking though. Im just telling him, He has been warned and given the opportunity by God. He rejects it at his own peril. Problem is people dont take their lives seriously enough to consider such things.
Ah, just like it reads in Revelations near the end, and then some site Moderator laughed at the damned as they went down into the pit of fire. Seriously EternalWraith, after all the research you've done to try to explain things, you are gonna lower yourself to this level?
Another thing DeadZergling. Creationists get bashed everywhere and are perceived as being retarded for believing in God. Thats ok, I know those opponents dont even know how broken their theory on human evolution is, but nevertheless we take the insults and mocking. I know however that justice will prevail one-day, and them that hated God will come to realize how wrong they have been. Again, I dont want any human condemned.
Lol, you claim to know your omnipotent god's plans, while your religion states that humans are incapable of understanding god...to proclaim that you know god's plan is according to your religion, a blasphemy, heresy, sacrilege, etc. So, do you have faith that your god will save you if you jump off a bridge, cliff, skyscraper, etc?
Agreed on most points, but I still don't see how telling someone they have 2 brain cells and that you hope to laugh at them on Judgment helps matters, that isn't helping anyone.
It's funny how you see me as close-minded, while you dismiss all the other religions.
Show me one truth per religion, and I will show you 3x more from the bible.
Show we all the truths from all the religions, add it up, and it wont half the bible.
Its easy to find the divine inspiration compared to all that fake nonsense.
Close-minded? You haven't read all the religious texts in the world and here you go automatically claiming that every other religion but your own is "fake nonsense". What are the tenets and claims of Mormonism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Falun Gong, the African traditional religions (pick one from this category),Native American religions (pick one from this category)?
By the way, how do you claim to know that human evolution is "broken" when you have yet to fulfill your word of providing your own explanation/"understanding" of human evolution?
I know Hinduism, I know the Quran, I know hermeticism, I know Satanism, I know Paganism(to an extent), I studied Celtic druidism, I know the Kabbalah, I know Taoism(To an extent), I know the Book of Shadows, I know Scientology(to an extent).
Ah, and falling on the bible, the truth, the real God. The God you can feel. The God that answers prayers. Cant express the sigh of relieve. Suffice to say, all other bs is no longer of any interest for me.
I'm already laughing because you said you studied a religion. Lol. So, you came to your conclusion that all the world's other religions are "bs" after reading only 10 of the hundreds of religions of the world?
You still haven't responded to my question of whether you have faith that your god will save you if you jumped off a skyscraper, bridge, etc.
You also still haven't fulfilled your word of providing your "understanding" of evolution.
Ah, just like it reads in Revelations near the end, and then some site Moderator laughed at the damned as they went down into the pit of fire. Seriously EternalWraith, after all the research you've done to try to explain things, you are gonna lower yourself to this level?
Im not condeming the man. If anything, I wish he opened up his mind. His arrogance is both staggering and mocking though. Im just telling him, He has been warned and given the opportunity by God. He rejects it at his own peril. Problem is people dont take their lives seriously enough to consider such things.
If your faith can move mountains, it should be able to take criticism. And it's not that people don't take their lives seriously, it's that threatening an atheist with hell is like telling an adult that Santa won't bring them presents this year - it has zero effect.
Look around you:
Even if we buy into the illogical premise that some intelligent prime mover had to create the universe, one fact remains brutally obvious: he does not give a damn. Does. Not. Give. A. Damn. It's an insult to the rest of your fellow human beings to say otherwise. Do you think God loves you more because you happened to be born on the correct side of the planet? No, the reality is that God could care less if you die in some disease-ridden shithole, starving and in pain. It happens to millions of people, and the only reason you're somewhat exempt is because you were born into a higher standard of living. This is the failure of the belief in prayer and a personal god who gives a damn about you, cares whether you "believe" in him, cares whether you circumcise your penis, cares whether you work on Sunday, and other such trivialities. We live on a tiny speck in a tiny blip whose existence in this universe would likely not even be noted by such a creator. If he wanted us to believe in him, he sure as hell could have fooled me. It's almost like he doesn't exist.
Evidently you don't know paganism enough to actually know what paganism even means. Paganism is not a religion. Paganism is what religions other than Christianity, Judaism, and Islam were referred to as by members of said religions.
Even if we buy into the illogical premise that some intelligent prime
mover had to create the universe, one fact remains brutally obvious: he
does not give a damn. Does. Not. Give. A. Damn. It's an insult to the
rest of your fellow human beings to say otherwise. Do you think God
loves you more because you happened to be born on the correct side of
the planet? No, the reality is that God could care less if you die in
some disease-ridden shithole, starving and in pain. It happens to
millions of people, and the only reason you're somewhat exempt is
because you were born into a higher standard of living. This is the
failure of the belief in prayer and a personal god who gives a damn
about you, cares whether you "believe" in him, cares whether you
circumcise your penis, cares whether you work on Sunday, and other such
trivialities. We live on a tiny speck in a tiny blip whose existence in
this universe would likely not even be noted by such a creator. If he
wanted us to believe in him, he sure as hell could have fooled me. It's
almost like he doesn't exist.
When all is said and done, the soul is no worse for wear for its tribulations.
Now who`s fault is that?. Is it not the humans that birth children into such hell-ridden poverty? and their `intelligent and honest and caring` Governments that do damn all nothing for them?.
Your dirty atheist Government spends billions on technologies like SETI and trying to help find alien life on other planets(When they cant even find microbes on Mars!), when in fact all that finances can go to better helping the poor. Christians try infinitely harder.
Do you think God loves you more because you happened to be born on the correct side of the planet?
No, you ignorant. How do you jump to that conclusion?. I consider myself at a disadvantage being born into a better lifestyle. I have the opportunity to help others, and thats something expected of me.
Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
You would say direct intervention from God is needed?. Ah, so what then about your "Utopia" developed and created and sustained by humanity? Do you realize that will and can never happen?. Yea. Maybe now you do.
Actions, will take its course until the 2nd coming of Christ. Then he will undo all the oppressive Governments in this world, Destroy all evil, and render judgement.
Just so you know(and because you dont), The bible has a very strong stance toward the poor. There are hidden parallels between this life and the after life, them that have much now and to those that have nothing. The distribution and allocation of souls, and the responsibilities attached to it. You say God doesn`t care about the poor, that could not be any further from the truth. I could list you so many scriptures concerning the poor, that will teach you God`s character.
This however has to be the most powerful scripture relating to the poor that people rich and well off shudder at: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2025:31-46&version=NIV
If you think Christianity is about jumping up and down in Church on Sunday and singing to God, and that gives us right of passage to eternal life. Or that God looks any more favorably on us, even though we dont follow his commandments or ways. You are sorely mistaken(and to the Christians that believe that).
Your dirty atheist Government spends billions on technologies like SETI and trying to help find alien life on other planets(When they cant even find microbes on Mars!), when in fact all that finances can go to better helping the poor. Christians try infinitely harder.
And how many money is pumped into keeping churches in shape and providing masses? These things have no technical value (either?), and I could just as well argue that all the money organized religion costs could also be pumped into third world countries. And what about make-up - that money too could've gone to third world countries. That makes every christian person who wears make-up just as bad as an astronaut, following that logic. Or heck, what about gay suicides due to Christian families/communities? There are Christians who -try- out of their belief, sure, but as for 'Christians try infinitely harder'... No way. Most of your arguments have held some kind of stock so far (even if I disagree with your point of view), but I'm not buying here. Heck, there's a reason Bad Religion wrote a song called 'Atheïst Peace' as a wordplay on the very well known concept of 'Religious War'. In fact, I'll leave this here for you (note specifically the ending of the song, 1:55 and on):
Now who`s fault is that?. Is it not the humans that birth children into such hell-ridden poverty? and their `intelligent and honest and caring` Governments that do damn all nothing for them?.
Ok, fine, I'll grant you the incredibly callous premise that it's their fault. Their fault for having a shitty government and for being born into such a shithole where the only pleasure they can derive amidst such a cesspool of misfortune is the momentary pleasure derived from sex.
Even so, my point still stands: your omnipotent serial baby murderer can not come down from his throne in heaven to lend a helping hand. Instead we have to accept that he "works through mysterious ways" or "his vibrations echo through the sub-systems" and other such nonsense. Again, he does not give a damn, almost as if he doesn't exist.
If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed.
Albert Einstein
That's why I think secular charity groups are superior. They help because they are good people, and they need no other reason. I couldn't respect myself as a person if I thought there was any chance that I had to be motivated by fear of hell or bribed by eternal paradise.
Like I said before, the idea that we can't be good decent moral people without a holy book to tell us how or the idea of a dictator in the sky watching us every second of our life is something that insults and degrades humanity at its very core. It's the same concept with burkas, which imply that the men are uncontrollable animals, who at the mere sight of female flesh would lose all moral conscious and fall into lust.
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Christians try infinitely harder.
You mean like your friend TheZizz? Only someone who believes that there is an afterlife could handwave away suffering here on Earth. Get screwed over this lifetime around? Hey, no problem, you're only doubling your rewards in the next afterlife! So no, I do not buy that premise at all.
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I consider myself at a disadvantage being born into a better lifestyle. I have the opportunity to help others, and thats something expected of me.
Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
Hell if that's the case then I would have liked to have traded my life for an aborted baby. No work required on my part, and as a reward I get infinite paradise. I'd be elevated above rich men who had to work hard to get into heaven, because they made the mistake of being rich.
This infinite punishment for finite crimes and infinite reward for finite deeds crap is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Anyone who calls this justice would find themselves better off living in the stone age where they belong.
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If you think Christianity is about jumping up and down in Church on Sunday and singing to God, and that gives us right of passage to eternal life. Or that God looks any more favorably on us, even though we dont follow his commandments or ways. You are sorely mistaken(and to the Christians that believe that).
No, you are sorely mistaken. The bible makes it clear that only belief in Christ is necessary because humanity is all a bunch of sinners anyway. Romans 6:23 and 10:13. I really don't know why you come up with your own theories that are in contrary to what the rest of your religion believes, but I suggest you take the time to investigate it.
But again, I'm not about to argue the contents of a fictional book, and there's no swaying you from the position that it's the "most perfect, most historical book of all the times". Again, let me remind you of its contents:
1. Fire breathing leviathan
2. Virgin births
3. Jacob wrestles with god & WINS
4. A talking donkey & unicorns
5. God gives birth to himself so that he can sacrifice himself to himself
6. Samson slays 1000 men with the jawbone of an ass
7. Man lived in a whale for 3 days
8. People once lived to be 800 years old
Personally I'd just like if you could answer my multiverse post.
I really hope you're not saying: "Why give resources to science X when they could go to feed poor people/cure cancer." I thought you had your shit together.
Whether atheists or christians 'Help out' more i don't really know, i will however leave this chart here.
I really hope you're not saying: "Why give resources to science X when they could go to feed poor people/cure cancer." I thought you had your shit together.
And how many money is pumped into keeping churches in shape and providing masses? These things have no technical value (either?), and I could just as well argue that all the money organized religion costs could also be pumped into third world countries. And what about make-up - that money too could've gone to third world countries. That makes every christian person who wears make-up just as bad as an astronaut, following that logic. Or heck, what about gay suicides due to Christian families/communities? There are Christians who -try- out of their belief, sure, but as for 1.'Christians try infinitely harder'... No way. Most of your arguments have held some kind of stock so far (2.even if I disagree with your point of view), but I'm not buying here. Heck, there's a reason Bad Religion wrote a song called 'Atheïst Peace' as a wordplay on the very well known concept of 'Religious War'. In fact, I'll leave this here for you (note specifically the ending of the song, 1:55 and on):
1. Was in comparison to their dim-witted Governments only. Though my statement was over the top yes.
2. If you disagree, by all means explain why and for what reasons. I would assume the whole point of the thread is to learn something atleast. I too am curious about what other people belief and know.
Even so, my point still stands: your omnipotent serial baby murderer can not come down from his throne in heaven to lend a helping hand. Instead we have to accept that he "works through mysterious ways" or "his vibrations echo through the sub-systems" and other such nonsense. Again, he does not give a damn, almost as if he doesn't exist.
No, your point does not stand. Dont worry though, God will come down to give a helping hand when the time comes. Wait...what?, You dont know all bible prophecy is fulfilled to the letter?, both past and present and then unto the future. Why do you always persist God is evil if he exists?, while Satan stands giggling in the corner.
This infinite punishment for finite crimes and infinite reward for finite deeds crap is the stupidest thing I've ever heard
Nah, it doesn`t sound too bad.
The bible makes it clear that only belief in Christ is necessary
You have to follow the example of Christ if you believe. Faith without deeds is dead. One`s belief is just a lie then.
1. Fire breathing leviathan
2. Virgin births
3. Jacob wrestles with god & WINS
4. A talking donkey & unicorns
5. God gives birth to himself so that he can sacrifice himself to himself
6. Samson slays 1000 men with the jawbone of an ass
7. Man lived in a whale for 3 days
8. People once lived to be 800 years old
1. I honestly dont know What God is referring to as Leviathan in the Book of Job
2. Virgin `birth`. Was prophesied hundreds of years before Jesus, and then it just so happens that way. Unless, the whole new testament is a lie. Though I have a hard time believe its a lie since we have some pretty strong historic proof around the time of those happenings. Maybe they just lied about Jesus being born of a virgin then? and every other fulfilled prophecy?, Or maybe not.
3.http://www.unionchurch.com/archive/100399.html
4. Unicorn http://www.creationtoday.org/why-does-the-bible-mention-unicorns/
Talking Donkey, Well lets just call that a miracle ;-)
5. Nope. Jesus is the son of God.
6. What?
7. Not entirely unbelievable. The body can survive without food and water for that long.
8. I truly believe that was the case. The genetic structure has been broken along the lines rapidly.
There comes a time when you need to ask yourself: are you an adult, or are you a child? Personally I'd just like if you could answer my multiverse post.
There comes a time when you should atleast consider if the bible is true, then Satan is real and he is brainwashing you through those illiterate Anti God-atheist websites.
Oh, the multiverse question. There`s hardly anything solid on the theory/hypothesis ,Im not sure what we can discuss on it. I can ask you questions on it, but, I dont know if you will be able to answer. But alright, I`ll get to it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Membrane_(M-theory)
Im not condeming the man. If anything, I wish he opened up his mind. His arrogance is both staggering and mocking though. Im just telling him, He has been warned and given the opportunity by God. He rejects it at his own peril. Problem is people dont take their lives seriously enough to consider such things.
@EternalWraith: Go
Like I said, there's no evidence for god. It's funny how you see me as close-minded, while you dismiss all the other religions.
Another thing DeadZergling. Creationists get bashed everywhere and are perceived as being retarded for believing in God. Thats ok, I know those opponents dont even know how broken their theory on human evolution is, but nevertheless we take the insults and mocking. I know however that justice will prevail one-day, and them that hated God will come to realize how wrong they have been. Again, I dont want any human condemned.
@EternalWraith: Go
Lol, you claim to know your omnipotent god's plans, while your religion states that humans are incapable of understanding god...to proclaim that you know god's plan is according to your religion, a blasphemy, heresy, sacrilege, etc. So, do you have faith that your god will save you if you jump off a bridge, cliff, skyscraper, etc?
@EternalWraith: Go
Agreed on most points, but I still don't see how telling someone they have 2 brain cells and that you hope to laugh at them on Judgment helps matters, that isn't helping anyone.
Show me one truth per religion, and I will show you 3x more from the bible.
Show we all the truths from all the religions, add it up, and it wont half the bible.
Its easy to find the divine inspiration compared to all that fake nonsense.
@EternalWraith: Go
Close-minded? You haven't read all the religious texts in the world and here you go automatically claiming that every other religion but your own is "fake nonsense". What are the tenets and claims of Mormonism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Falun Gong, the African traditional religions (pick one from this category),Native American religions (pick one from this category)?
By the way, how do you claim to know that human evolution is "broken" when you have yet to fulfill your word of providing your own explanation/"understanding" of human evolution?
@FDFederation: Go
I devoted extensive time to the site
http://www.sacred-texts.com/
I know Hinduism, I know the Quran, I know hermeticism, I know Satanism, I know Paganism(to an extent), I studied Celtic druidism, I know the Kabbalah, I know Taoism(To an extent), I know the Book of Shadows, I know Scientology(to an extent).
Ah, and falling on the bible, the truth, the real God. The God you can feel. The God that answers prayers. Cant express the sigh of relieve. Suffice to say, all other bs is no longer of any interest for me.
@EternalWraith: Go
I'm already laughing because you said you studied a religion. Lol. So, you came to your conclusion that all the world's other religions are "bs" after reading only 10 of the hundreds of religions of the world?
You still haven't responded to my question of whether you have faith that your god will save you if you jumped off a skyscraper, bridge, etc.
You also still haven't fulfilled your word of providing your "understanding" of evolution.
I thought it was pretty funny personally...
If your faith can move mountains, it should be able to take criticism. And it's not that people don't take their lives seriously, it's that threatening an atheist with hell is like telling an adult that Santa won't bring them presents this year - it has zero effect.
Look around you:
Even if we buy into the illogical premise that some intelligent prime mover had to create the universe, one fact remains brutally obvious: he does not give a damn. Does. Not. Give. A. Damn. It's an insult to the rest of your fellow human beings to say otherwise. Do you think God loves you more because you happened to be born on the correct side of the planet? No, the reality is that God could care less if you die in some disease-ridden shithole, starving and in pain. It happens to millions of people, and the only reason you're somewhat exempt is because you were born into a higher standard of living. This is the failure of the belief in prayer and a personal god who gives a damn about you, cares whether you "believe" in him, cares whether you circumcise your penis, cares whether you work on Sunday, and other such trivialities. We live on a tiny speck in a tiny blip whose existence in this universe would likely not even be noted by such a creator. If he wanted us to believe in him, he sure as hell could have fooled me. It's almost like he doesn't exist.
/facepalm
Evidently you don't know paganism enough to actually know what paganism even means. Paganism is not a religion. Paganism is what religions other than Christianity, Judaism, and Islam were referred to as by members of said religions.
When all is said and done, the soul is no worse for wear for its tribulations.
@TheZizz: Go
Souls may not even exist, except in our imaginations.
I would like to suggest to all of you again that read this great lecture from Richard Feynman: http://www.eknigu.com/get/P_Physics/PPop_Popular-level/Feynman%20R.%20The%20Meaning%20of%20It%20All%20(1963)(52s).pdf
@Gradius12: Go
Now who`s fault is that?. Is it not the humans that birth children into such hell-ridden poverty? and their `intelligent and honest and caring` Governments that do damn all nothing for them?.
Another thing about the Source which I did not mention, is that any vibrations from it echo through all its sub-systems. This is why people cant recognize that God acts through people, events, and causes.
There are plenty of Christian organisations around the world devoted to helping the poor, and are actually impacting their lives for the better.
http://www.fmsc.org/
http://www.lutheranworld.org/lwf/
http://www.worldvision.org
http://www.crs.org/
http://www.missionofmercy.org/
http://www.ob.org/
http://disasterreliefeffort.org/
http://www.cwa.org/
http://www.compassion.com/default.htm
http://fh.org/
etc
Your dirty atheist Government spends billions on technologies like SETI and trying to help find alien life on other planets(When they cant even find microbes on Mars!), when in fact all that finances can go to better helping the poor. Christians try infinitely harder.
Do you think God loves you more because you happened to be born on the correct side of the planet?
No, you ignorant. How do you jump to that conclusion?. I consider myself at a disadvantage being born into a better lifestyle. I have the opportunity to help others, and thats something expected of me.
Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
You would say direct intervention from God is needed?. Ah, so what then about your "Utopia" developed and created and sustained by humanity? Do you realize that will and can never happen?. Yea. Maybe now you do.
Actions, will take its course until the 2nd coming of Christ. Then he will undo all the oppressive Governments in this world, Destroy all evil, and render judgement.
Just so you know(and because you dont), The bible has a very strong stance toward the poor. There are hidden parallels between this life and the after life, them that have much now and to those that have nothing. The distribution and allocation of souls, and the responsibilities attached to it. You say God doesn`t care about the poor, that could not be any further from the truth. I could list you so many scriptures concerning the poor, that will teach you God`s character.
This however has to be the most powerful scripture relating to the poor that people rich and well off shudder at:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2025:31-46&version=NIV
If you think Christianity is about jumping up and down in Church on Sunday and singing to God, and that gives us right of passage to eternal life. Or that God looks any more favorably on us, even though we dont follow his commandments or ways. You are sorely mistaken(and to the Christians that believe that).
Still popcorning it up, but had to quickly respond to this:
And how many money is pumped into keeping churches in shape and providing masses? These things have no technical value (either?), and I could just as well argue that all the money organized religion costs could also be pumped into third world countries. And what about make-up - that money too could've gone to third world countries. That makes every christian person who wears make-up just as bad as an astronaut, following that logic. Or heck, what about gay suicides due to Christian families/communities? There are Christians who -try- out of their belief, sure, but as for 'Christians try infinitely harder'... No way. Most of your arguments have held some kind of stock so far (even if I disagree with your point of view), but I'm not buying here. Heck, there's a reason Bad Religion wrote a song called 'Atheïst Peace' as a wordplay on the very well known concept of 'Religious War'. In fact, I'll leave this here for you (note specifically the ending of the song, 1:55 and on):
Is this supposed to be an excuse for starving African kids? I'd like to see your attitude having switched spots with them.
Ok, fine, I'll grant you the incredibly callous premise that it's their fault. Their fault for having a shitty government and for being born into such a shithole where the only pleasure they can derive amidst such a cesspool of misfortune is the momentary pleasure derived from sex.
Even so, my point still stands: your omnipotent serial baby murderer can not come down from his throne in heaven to lend a helping hand. Instead we have to accept that he "works through mysterious ways" or "his vibrations echo through the sub-systems" and other such nonsense. Again, he does not give a damn, almost as if he doesn't exist.
Plenty of secular charity groups as well:
http://www.redcross.org/
http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/
http://www.unicef.org/
http://foundationbeyondbelief.org/
http://www.donorschoose.org/
http://www.amnesty.org/
http://www.aclu.org/
http://www.populationconnection.org/
http://www.mercycorps.org/
If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed.
Albert Einstein
That's why I think secular charity groups are superior. They help because they are good people, and they need no other reason. I couldn't respect myself as a person if I thought there was any chance that I had to be motivated by fear of hell or bribed by eternal paradise.
Like I said before, the idea that we can't be good decent moral people without a holy book to tell us how or the idea of a dictator in the sky watching us every second of our life is something that insults and degrades humanity at its very core. It's the same concept with burkas, which imply that the men are uncontrollable animals, who at the mere sight of female flesh would lose all moral conscious and fall into lust.
You mean like your friend TheZizz? Only someone who believes that there is an afterlife could handwave away suffering here on Earth. Get screwed over this lifetime around? Hey, no problem, you're only doubling your rewards in the next afterlife! So no, I do not buy that premise at all.
Hell if that's the case then I would have liked to have traded my life for an aborted baby. No work required on my part, and as a reward I get infinite paradise. I'd be elevated above rich men who had to work hard to get into heaven, because they made the mistake of being rich.
This infinite punishment for finite crimes and infinite reward for finite deeds crap is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Anyone who calls this justice would find themselves better off living in the stone age where they belong.
No, you are sorely mistaken. The bible makes it clear that only belief in Christ is necessary because humanity is all a bunch of sinners anyway. Romans 6:23 and 10:13. I really don't know why you come up with your own theories that are in contrary to what the rest of your religion believes, but I suggest you take the time to investigate it.
But again, I'm not about to argue the contents of a fictional book, and there's no swaying you from the position that it's the "most perfect, most historical book of all the times". Again, let me remind you of its contents:
1. Fire breathing leviathan
2. Virgin births
3. Jacob wrestles with god & WINS
4. A talking donkey & unicorns
5. God gives birth to himself so that he can sacrifice himself to himself
6. Samson slays 1000 men with the jawbone of an ass
7. Man lived in a whale for 3 days
8. People once lived to be 800 years old
Personally I'd just like if you could answer my multiverse post.
@EternalWraith: Go
I really hope you're not saying: "Why give resources to science X when they could go to feed poor people/cure cancer." I thought you had your shit together.
Whether atheists or christians 'Help out' more i don't really know, i will however leave this chart here.
Yes, thats exactly what I said.
1. Was in comparison to their dim-witted Governments only. Though my statement was over the top yes.
2. If you disagree, by all means explain why and for what reasons. I would assume the whole point of the thread is to learn something atleast. I too am curious about what other people belief and know.
Even so, my point still stands: your omnipotent serial baby murderer can not come down from his throne in heaven to lend a helping hand. Instead we have to accept that he "works through mysterious ways" or "his vibrations echo through the sub-systems" and other such nonsense. Again, he does not give a damn, almost as if he doesn't exist.
No, your point does not stand. Dont worry though, God will come down to give a helping hand when the time comes. Wait...what?, You dont know all bible prophecy is fulfilled to the letter?, both past and present and then unto the future. Why do you always persist God is evil if he exists?, while Satan stands giggling in the corner.
This infinite punishment for finite crimes and infinite reward for finite deeds crap is the stupidest thing I've ever heard
Nah, it doesn`t sound too bad.
The bible makes it clear that only belief in Christ is necessary
You have to follow the example of Christ if you believe. Faith without deeds is dead. One`s belief is just a lie then.
I'm not about to argue the contents of a fictional book,
The bible is real. Who lied to you?. How about the ten plagues of Egypt, Must be fake right?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/7530678/Biblical-plagues-really-happened-say-scientists.html
http://www.theweeklyconstitutional.com/news/we-cant-explain-it/458-scientist-prove-the-ten-plagues-of-egypt-really-did-happen
This is the best: Because of Egyptian archaeological records and ancient papyrus discovered
http://masada1234.blogspot.com/2008/04/archaeological-evidence-for-ten-plagues.html
1. Fire breathing leviathan
2. Virgin births
3. Jacob wrestles with god & WINS
4. A talking donkey & unicorns
5. God gives birth to himself so that he can sacrifice himself to himself
6. Samson slays 1000 men with the jawbone of an ass
7. Man lived in a whale for 3 days
8. People once lived to be 800 years old
1. I honestly dont know What God is referring to as Leviathan in the Book of Job
2. Virgin `birth`. Was prophesied hundreds of years before Jesus, and then it just so happens that way. Unless, the whole new testament is a lie. Though I have a hard time believe its a lie since we have some pretty strong historic proof around the time of those happenings. Maybe they just lied about Jesus being born of a virgin then? and every other fulfilled prophecy?, Or maybe not.
3.http://www.unionchurch.com/archive/100399.html
4. Unicorn
http://www.creationtoday.org/why-does-the-bible-mention-unicorns/
Talking Donkey, Well lets just call that a miracle ;-)
5. Nope. Jesus is the son of God.
6. What?
7. Not entirely unbelievable. The body can survive without food and water for that long.
8. I truly believe that was the case. The genetic structure has been broken along the lines rapidly.
There comes a time when you need to ask yourself: are you an adult, or are you a child? Personally I'd just like if you could answer my multiverse post.
There comes a time when you should atleast consider if the bible is true, then Satan is real and he is brainwashing you through those illiterate Anti God-atheist websites.
Oh, the multiverse question. There`s hardly anything solid on the theory/hypothesis ,Im not sure what we can discuss on it. I can ask you questions on it, but, I dont know if you will be able to answer. But alright, I`ll get to it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Membrane_(M-theory)