although i'm against further criticizing bp, that's a godsend! getting a map like mafia into this is like tying wrecking balls to chuck norris's face. all humor aside, it's an opportunity not to be undermined, and it would be, dare i say it, a waste to let it pass by. i'm plenty happy with battle planets, but we need to add mafia in for at least the second week so that it will launch our popularity. if it doesn't make it for the first week, we should keep it as a "popularity contingency" for the sake of ensuring the project's success
if battle planets makes the first week, or second, then we should compromise and allow a popularity-spiking map to enter as well
EDIT: and mafia WILL spike the popularity rather than hurt it (for being an already-popular map) because the author will be effectively removing the original, which forces all of those thousands of players who like to play the first one to play map of the week instead
Starting now with advertising would be 100% contraproductive. When we post a thread on team liquid, dozens of people will go online and check for Map of the Week. If we post it now, but upload it in a week or even later, nobody will care anymore. All the people who read Rodrigos thread on the battlenet forums already forgot about this.
And I can't believe you now come along with Mafia in your hands. If Mafia, which is an awesome map, get's Map of the Week, I'm done with this project.
Starting now with advertising would be 100% contraproductive. When we post a thread on team liquid, dozens of people will go online and check for Map of the Week. If we post it now, but upload it in a week or even later, nobody will care anymore. All the people who read Rodrigos thread on the battlenet forums already forgot about this.
And I can't believe you now come along with Mafia in your hands. If Mafia, which is an awesome map, get's Map of the Week, I'm done with this project.
I really dont think you understand the point of the first map already people popular so that this project gets to the first page.
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i'm saying IF the project fails (like only gets 40 hours or less), then we should go mafia... since that will fix the problem
you don't understand the definition of contingency, and forget what i said about "at least the second week" because bp has won three polls now... i'm fine with it as long as it works
i PERSONALLY think that mafia is a good choice, since it will make everyone boost our popularity, but time will tell if anyone else shares my opinion
EDIT: and as for ads, i'm just brainstorming... i made a sig that leads to the project page, rather than renting that blimp and launchin it over the super bowl (plan B)
we need to do some preemptive advertising, though. we need people to know about it before it launches so that they can either help it launch or group together and play it when it launches (like at the exact day/hour/etc.)
this SHOULD NOT be issued right now, but it should be ready for when the project is nearing completion
bank files ought to have no problems whatsoever, unless some douche shows up and hacks em', but that's a common risk. plus they'd have to hack EVERY DIFFERENT MAP every week. so they'd work their asses off to hurt ours.
as for changing the map every week, i assure you that it has no effect on the functions of the banks (as banks can be transferred between maps, say there is a motw version of a map and a released version under a title)
I am disappointed. I am very, very disappointed. You do not care about this project, you care about what is "fair". Ok, I have honestly had enough.
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You are wrong. Very wrong. You don't care about this project, you just want your precious little Battle Planets to become popular. News flash: it won't. If we put Mafia in first, we can ride off of the popularity it already has. When players click on Mafia, they will be sent over to Map of the Week. That plus all of the advertising will get the map on page one in no time.
And no, I do not suggest that we advertise and then publish a week later. You are either a really, really, really good troll, or just very dumb. (Or just young. How old are you anyways?) Once we get all the ads written and configured, we will release them, along with the map, all at the same time. That is the goal, to flood all the community of TeamLiquid, BNET, SC2Mapster, and wherever else with the ads. Then, with Mafia leading to the map as well, it will get to the front page in no time.
When the next week comes, we put Battle Planets on. It will already be on page 1, and your precious little map will be played a ton, on the first page. It will follow the popularity Mafia has given in. All the maps following it will as well.
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Eh hem, what just happened? I can't remember a thing.... Anyways, using Mafia as the first map would be the most logical of goals, for both of our goals. Battle Planets gets to be on Map of the Week, and we get this thing to the front page no problems. Everyone is happy, no?
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EDIT: Bank files? Really? Are you TRYING to sabotage this project? How does suggesting that help your cause at all? If that was proven to be true, we would have to delay the project even further while we try and figure that out!
I think putting Mafia as motw will only work if he took down his map for the week since people will then look for mafia which then might screw up his pop. It would be too much trouble. We'll just have to start motw on a friday when map night is. Does NA even have map night?
I think putting Mafia as motw will only work if he took down his map for the week since people will then look for mafia which then might screw up his pop. It would be too much trouble. We'll just have to start motw on a friday when map night is. Does NA even have map night?
Re-read his post... his mafia map would tell people to go to MOTW that want to play it. It gives us his player bases..which helps boost it even more, so its a nice trick.
and.. NA map night hasnt happend for a very long time.
Okay that was the single saddest post I've read in a long time, so I'm not gonna answer it, I just don't care anymore what you write.
But regarding the bank files: Looking at the maps fanbase some people will be pissed when they can't use their hats and shit for a whole week. So not as many people might play the MotW edition of Mafia as you hope. Just something to keep in mind if you decide to choose Mafia.
I myself could not give less of a shit at this point in time with people like you writing in this tone and with purposely misreading statements. I wish Rodrigo was back. All the criticism aside he has at least some integrity.
Okay that was the single saddest post I've read in a long time, so I'm not gonna answer it, I just don't care anymore what you write.
But regarding the bank files: Looking at the maps fanbase some people will be pissed when they can't use their hats and shit for a whole week. So not as many people might play the MotW edition of Mafia as you hope. Just something to keep in mind if you decide to choose Mafia.
I myself could not give less of a shit at this point in time with people like you writing in this tone and with purposely misreading statements. I wish Rodrigo was back. All the criticism aside he has at least some integrity.
alright i'm sorry we're raining hell on ya, but the bank thing I ASSURE YOU has no problem to be dealt with (banks can work for multiple maps, which is how some maps have sequels)
EDIT: can you please respond to my pm? i didn't think my tone was bad there... i just wanted to hear if you'd agree with that point
alright i'm sorry we're raining hell on ya, but the bank thing I ASSURE YOU has no problem to be dealt with (banks can work for multiple maps, which is how some maps have sequels)
EDIT: can you please respond to my pm? i didn't think my tone was bad there... i just wanted to hear if you'd agree with that point
No, banks work between maps, not authors...however, it wont be an issue with mafia. noone will mind for 1 week
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just to add into this argument :D taco is just getting frustrated that you can't seem to understand his point. can i please tell you as well that I don't really believe you understand the concept, I've looked at what you have written and I can tell you straight up you're missing one vital point at least and saying something like 'if mafia blah blah... i'm done with this' sums up why you don't get it.
it's nothing to do with mafia being 'better' than battle planets or any other map for that matter, it's for the simple reason that the best advertisement for MOTW is using that of a map that is ALREADY popular. you can then use this popularity to make battle planets be on page one, do you understand that concept?
remember, this is map of the WEEK, not 'the one and only map that will ever be in rotation ever map'. battle planets will get it's turn as will everything else you like and don't like. it's almost irrelevant voting for something, it should just be a fucking random pool for all i care. it would almost be better to replace mafia with something terrible to see what it does to the popularity!
are you like "the one and only" mod? that would be awesome...
lol anyway i'd have to agree, and sun is ignoring my pm's that add that point
that last paragraph was a little off though, on the fact that voting isn't important... the whole damn point of this is to get good maps out there (although using a popular map to meet that end is a great idea)
i'm not saying i don't care, i'm just a little fed up of most of this thread being an argument over maps. they are the least of the worries at the moment. if we can't get this idea to page one then we could put any map in and it would make not one iota of difference because, you guessed it, no one would play it.
Wow... I really shouldn't reply to that, but I just have to. You seem to be either dyslexic or as non-objective as taco.
Imagine this: Before all this drama user X writes a post "Hey, Battle Planets is great and all, but for reason Y it is not fitted to become MotW.", and I agree to this reason. Without any hesitation I continue supporting the project. But then you agree on using map Z which is already on page 1 or 2 (let's for the heck of it call it Income Wars), and I immediately resign.
Now the question for 100 points: Why? You don't have to agree with it, you just have to understand what I mean.
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@TacoManStan: Go
nice...
although i'm against further criticizing bp, that's a godsend! getting a map like mafia into this is like tying wrecking balls to chuck norris's face. all humor aside, it's an opportunity not to be undermined, and it would be, dare i say it, a waste to let it pass by. i'm plenty happy with battle planets, but we need to add mafia in for at least the second week so that it will launch our popularity. if it doesn't make it for the first week, we should keep it as a "popularity contingency" for the sake of ensuring the project's success
if battle planets makes the first week, or second, then we should compromise and allow a popularity-spiking map to enter as well
EDIT: and mafia WILL spike the popularity rather than hurt it (for being an already-popular map) because the author will be effectively removing the original, which forces all of those thousands of players who like to play the first one to play map of the week instead
@Molsterr: Go
Rod a mod, the horrors I can only imagine if he was... *shivers*
Starting now with advertising would be 100% contraproductive. When we post a thread on team liquid, dozens of people will go online and check for Map of the Week. If we post it now, but upload it in a week or even later, nobody will care anymore. All the people who read Rodrigos thread on the battlenet forums already forgot about this.
And I can't believe you now come along with Mafia in your hands. If Mafia, which is an awesome map, get's Map of the Week, I'm done with this project.
I really dont think you understand the point of the first map already people popular so that this project gets to the first page.
You really haven't read my posts.
What would happen with the bankfiles, btw?
i'm saying IF the project fails (like only gets 40 hours or less), then we should go mafia... since that will fix the problem
you don't understand the definition of contingency, and forget what i said about "at least the second week" because bp has won three polls now... i'm fine with it as long as it works
i PERSONALLY think that mafia is a good choice, since it will make everyone boost our popularity, but time will tell if anyone else shares my opinion
EDIT: and as for ads, i'm just brainstorming... i made a sig that leads to the project page, rather than renting that blimp and launchin it over the super bowl (plan B)
we need to do some preemptive advertising, though. we need people to know about it before it launches so that they can either help it launch or group together and play it when it launches (like at the exact day/hour/etc.)
this SHOULD NOT be issued right now, but it should be ready for when the project is nearing completion
bank files ought to have no problems whatsoever, unless some douche shows up and hacks em', but that's a common risk. plus they'd have to hack EVERY DIFFERENT MAP every week. so they'd work their asses off to hurt ours.
as for changing the map every week, i assure you that it has no effect on the functions of the banks (as banks can be transferred between maps, say there is a motw version of a map and a released version under a title)
altogether i wouldn't worry about it :D
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I am disappointed. I am very, very disappointed. You do not care about this project, you care about what is "fair". Ok, I have honestly had enough.
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You are wrong. Very wrong. You don't care about this project, you just want your precious little Battle Planets to become popular. News flash: it won't. If we put Mafia in first, we can ride off of the popularity it already has. When players click on Mafia, they will be sent over to Map of the Week. That plus all of the advertising will get the map on page one in no time.
And no, I do not suggest that we advertise and then publish a week later. You are either a really, really, really good troll, or just very dumb. (Or just young. How old are you anyways?) Once we get all the ads written and configured, we will release them, along with the map, all at the same time. That is the goal, to flood all the community of TeamLiquid, BNET, SC2Mapster, and wherever else with the ads. Then, with Mafia leading to the map as well, it will get to the front page in no time.
When the next week comes, we put Battle Planets on. It will already be on page 1, and your precious little map will be played a ton, on the first page. It will follow the popularity Mafia has given in. All the maps following it will as well.
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Eh hem, what just happened? I can't remember a thing.... Anyways, using Mafia as the first map would be the most logical of goals, for both of our goals. Battle Planets gets to be on Map of the Week, and we get this thing to the front page no problems. Everyone is happy, no?
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EDIT: Bank files? Really? Are you TRYING to sabotage this project? How does suggesting that help your cause at all? If that was proven to be true, we would have to delay the project even further while we try and figure that out!
Puts it back on
Great to be back and part of the community again!
Can't wait!!
I think putting Mafia as motw will only work if he took down his map for the week since people will then look for mafia which then might screw up his pop. It would be too much trouble. We'll just have to start motw on a friday when map night is. Does NA even have map night?
Re-read his post... his mafia map would tell people to go to MOTW that want to play it. It gives us his player bases..which helps boost it even more, so its a nice trick.
and.. NA map night hasnt happend for a very long time.
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Okay that was the single saddest post I've read in a long time, so I'm not gonna answer it, I just don't care anymore what you write.
But regarding the bank files: Looking at the maps fanbase some people will be pissed when they can't use their hats and shit for a whole week. So not as many people might play the MotW edition of Mafia as you hope. Just something to keep in mind if you decide to choose Mafia.
I myself could not give less of a shit at this point in time with people like you writing in this tone and with purposely misreading statements. I wish Rodrigo was back. All the criticism aside he has at least some integrity.
alright i'm sorry we're raining hell on ya, but the bank thing I ASSURE YOU has no problem to be dealt with (banks can work for multiple maps, which is how some maps have sequels)
EDIT: can you please respond to my pm? i didn't think my tone was bad there... i just wanted to hear if you'd agree with that point
No, banks work between maps, not authors...however, it wont be an issue with mafia. noone will mind for 1 week
@xSun: Go
just to add into this argument :D taco is just getting frustrated that you can't seem to understand his point. can i please tell you as well that I don't really believe you understand the concept, I've looked at what you have written and I can tell you straight up you're missing one vital point at least and saying something like 'if mafia blah blah... i'm done with this' sums up why you don't get it.
it's nothing to do with mafia being 'better' than battle planets or any other map for that matter, it's for the simple reason that the best advertisement for MOTW is using that of a map that is ALREADY popular. you can then use this popularity to make battle planets be on page one, do you understand that concept?
remember, this is map of the WEEK, not 'the one and only map that will ever be in rotation ever map'. battle planets will get it's turn as will everything else you like and don't like. it's almost irrelevant voting for something, it should just be a fucking random pool for all i care. it would almost be better to replace mafia with something terrible to see what it does to the popularity!
/tacodefenceover
@xil_theMINISTER: Go
what's a premium?
are you like "the one and only" mod? that would be awesome...
lol anyway i'd have to agree, and sun is ignoring my pm's that add that point
that last paragraph was a little off though, on the fact that voting isn't important... the whole damn point of this is to get good maps out there (although using a popular map to meet that end is a great idea)
http://www.curse.com/premium/
@Molsterr: Go
thnks
@thepumaman1: Go
i'm not saying i don't care, i'm just a little fed up of most of this thread being an argument over maps. they are the least of the worries at the moment. if we can't get this idea to page one then we could put any map in and it would make not one iota of difference because, you guessed it, no one would play it.
That is what I meant, thanks.
And I'm pretty sure it will. Do you play mafia? Do you remember the outrage when there was a statreset?
@xil_theMINISTER: Go
Wow... I really shouldn't reply to that, but I just have to. You seem to be either dyslexic or as non-objective as taco.
Imagine this: Before all this drama user X writes a post "Hey, Battle Planets is great and all, but for reason Y it is not fitted to become MotW.", and I agree to this reason. Without any hesitation I continue supporting the project. But then you agree on using map Z which is already on page 1 or 2 (let's for the heck of it call it Income Wars), and I immediately resign.
Now the question for 100 points: Why? You don't have to agree with it, you just have to understand what I mean.