No verses quoted at all. Thanks for proving your lazy. Though, its more the fault of the guy thinking his Quran is accurate. Why doesn`t he put the verses there?. I have the same stance against christian/or Any website/s that dont attempt to substantiate their claims/beliefs because they are uneducated or uninformed of the truth.
Nearly half the statements have "There is no theory or knowledge regarding this phenomenon.". So what the hell is it on the science list for?. Did I do the same for the list I presented?.
Some of it, apart from and including [most] of the above on that list is complete nonsense(Scientifically proven).
Whatever little[very little] it gets right, is copied directly from the Bible. Because as I said before, Quran = Corrupted Bible.
30 seconds of research would show you which verse each claim refers to. Is that too much?
Secondly, I've nearly finished debunking your list. Hold on.
The universe had a beginning
Nothing scientific here. This is the creationist's account of how the universe began.
The universe was created from the invisible
Atoms aren't invisible. Spray some deoderant infront of your face. Oh look, atoms!
The universe is expanding
Very generous translation of "he stretches out the heavens". This is much more likely to apply to the creation of the heavens.
Creation of matter and energy has ended in the universe
"Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array."
Again, very loose translation.
A god violates thermodynamics, as does the genesis account.
If the First Law is correct, which every scientific measurement ever made has confirmed, then the universe could not have created itself
Pardon me for saying this, but I love it when creationists try to use science to prove their claims, and end up getting the science completely wrong.
The total energy of the universe is 0. That is, for every positive particle, there is a negative one. 1+(-1) = 0. You don't understand thermodynamics, and you don't understand big bang theory.
We see this happen all around us. Two particles pop into existance, one an anti- of the other, then annihilate eachother.
Funny that.
The universe is winding down and will "wear out"
It's been long-held that the Earth is in an "end times" by Christians. For the past 1950 years, infact.
Number of stars
"I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore."
This really says nothing.
"As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured"
This also says nothing. Wrong verses?
Every star is different
It also says the Sun is not a star, which is false.
Pleiades and Orion as gravitationally bound star groups
Orion is not a star cluster. It's a constellation. Yes, there's a difference.
Gravity holds them together, not God. Unless you're claiming that gravity is God.
Thirdly in 1/4 billion years, they will unbind.
Light is in motion
"What is the way to the abode of light? And where does darkness reside? Can you take them to their places? Do you know the paths to their dwellings?
This passage is not dealing with the motion of light. It is dealing with the question the ancient Hebrews asked regarding where light and darkness reside. They thought that light and darkness were two independent entities that dwell in different locations. This interpretation is further supported by the next verse, Job 38:20, which reads, "That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths [to] the house thereof?"
So you misinterpretted it, basically.
Stars emit radio waves
It says "the morning stars sing". You're stretching this too thin.
The earth is controlled by the heavens
Wait, wait. This is the bible. From a biblical perspective, God controls Earth. In addition, it specifically states "God's dominion", reinforcing that it is talking about Heaven's lordship over the Earth.
Earth is a sphere
Isaiah 40:22 (written 2800 years ago): "It is he that sits upon the circle of the earth."
I was looking forward to this one.
Firstly, it says "circle". Circles are flat. Secondly, the church opposed a spherical Earth for hundreds of years. I'm surprised you included this one.
At any time, there is day and night on the Earth
"I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left"
Again, not really sure how you reached this conclusion.
Earth is suspended in space
Firstly, it's not. Earth moves. Fast. It spins, it rotates, it is in an orbit around an orbit around an orbit. It is the very definition of "not suspended".
Secondly, it was (as you pointed out) believed the Earth was set up upon pillars. This would be a suspended Earth.
That Hole In The North
Sounds taken out of context. What verse?
The fact of the matter is that none of these things were discovered by studying the bible.
Any comparison that you, or a muslim with his quran, or whoever else makes these claims, is made in hindsight. If there were truly science in either, why has nothing been discovered though them?
Scientific advancement is not an invariably noble endeavor regardless of anything. If it surpasses our moral advancement it'll be our doom.
The reason we have modern ethics & morals today is because we've progressed this far as a civilization through scientific means. Scientific advancement has given us time to sit down and actually think about what it means to be moral. Again, things such as being nice to animals, equality of women, equality of African Americans, etc. have arisen only in the last century.
I find it appalling that in 2012 I still have to tell people that a book which gives you instructions on how to keep and beat slaves (the bible) is not fit to be used for moral instruction.
Understand the universe? Thats the most idiotic Notion I have ever
heard, you really believe that Some idiots from a dot on the universal
scale, can ever understand the universe? at all? No not even to a
degree. Thats the same as saying in scientific terms, that a Microbe can
understand Humans. and if you were to say that then you contradict
yourself on soo many levels that it just shows how stupid you can be.
What the actual fuck? That's right, we can't understand the universe, which is why we've deduced how it evolved, why we've mapped out the lifetimes of stars, the cosmic microwave background radiation, the superstructure of the galaxy filaments, the interaction of dark matter/energy with regular matter, and why we are planning possible experiments to test m-theory and the like. We should just give up and live in caves because this guy hates science.
In the end Athiesm is just a really stupid thing to use so you dont feel bad when you become a mass murderer...
What a sad little shell of a human being you must be knowing that you'll go on a mass-murdering rampage without your holy book telling you how to be a good person because you can't figure it out yourself. You're literally a slave, which in retrospect I guess religion is a good thing for people like you.
Any comparison that you, or a muslim with his quran, or whoever else
makes these claims, is made in hindsight. If there were truly science in
either, why has nothing been discovered though them?
A good example would be the relationship between you and your parents (assuming a traditional family). As a child, your parents expect you to obey them and not your neighbor’s/friend’s parents because they are responsible for you. In this way, we “have no other Gods before him.”
So this is basically polytheism, just that God the father is superior?
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I think it’s a mistake to assume all science is humble considering how egotistical people can be about it. New discoveries are usually named after the people who discover them or at the very least BY the people who discover them. It seems to me like attaching your name to science is an effort to immortalize yourself. The term “mad scientist” didn’t spring up out of nothing. Science is but a tool as is Religion. Both are fully capable of being corrupted by the men that use it.
There are arrogant scientists that have the “hubris” to assume they know how reality works just like there are arrogant religious figures that have the “hubris” to assume they know what God is thinking. A religious man is JUST as capable of humble discourse as a scientific man. I am willing to admit that men acting on behalf of religion can make mistakes. I’d hope you’d be willing to do the same for science.
The one difference I can agree on, however, is that even if a corrupt scientist makes a discovery, it is still a discovery (assuming it’s not false). When a corrupt religious leader acts corruptly, there is no benefit. Here I can concede that a discovery made through corrupt science can still be used for good while a corrupt act by religion can’t really be retooled. An example being Nuclear Physics as a method for destruction or energy compared to a religious war.
I wasn't talking about the people behind science or religion. Clearly they can all be evil and egotistical. I'm referring more to the philosophies themselves. I find the scientific method to be humble. And indeed, there is no sign of arrogance or hubris in any science textbook I've ever read. I cannot say the same for all religious texts.
Guess which one the church says is more harmful for children:
With science there is no interpretation, because there is real-life proof for discoveries. Christianity came along and they decided that Jesus was the messiah. Now the Jews and the rest of the world, they didn't really give a damn because religion is religion and nobody gives a shit what you think. But if religion worked anything like science, they would have been like "Ok, you guys were right. Jesus is lord. Thank god we got this figured out, for the good of humanity." Scientists don't get their feelings hurt when you question their theories or when their theories are proven wrong. And that's because science isn't a "I'm right, you're wrong" ordeal like religion, it's a communal effort to help improve the world. Certainly there is some pride/jealousy involved in people's work, but that's inevitable when you spend your entire life working on it.
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I’d appreciate it if you’d provide what you consider to be reliable documentation for this. This is consistently cited in criticism against us, but I have never found the evidence reliable.
What you’re asking for defeats the entire purpose of what many believe to be the point of our existence. If we are here to make choices but God steps in to take care of everything, he is depriving us of the ability to choose. This was Lucifer/Satan’s plan and was rejected. God allows us to act as we desire so that we can be judged us by our actions. This is also discussed in The Plan of Salvation under “agency and theodicy.”
So do you agree with me then that God does not care what protocols/religion you follow? Or is it just that 2/3 of the planet is getting screwed over? Furthermore, would it not be of benefit to be a nonbeliever and a good person, that way you can't say you did any of the things you did hoping for reward?
My perspective on this is that it's just another one of religion's mental traps to keep believers complicit. There will always be an excuse for why there can be no evidence or why God can't provide any. You can't tempt god, etc. etc.
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As a Mormon I am especially aware of how WRONG observers get things. I have “outside observers” ask me if I really can’t have sugar! Of course religion is going to look crazy if you don’t have an actual understanding of what it entails. I addressed your points because, to me, they are false observations of what I believe. By correcting the observations it is my way of demonstrating that you should take more time to understand something before you reject it as “childish.” You might think that Catholicism is childish based on these points, but you can’t blanket everyone with the same points.
"I don't take the silly parts of the bible literally" is not exactly the greatest defense. But that aside I've already admitted that Catholics are the flavor of the month, so what's the problem? When you understand why you reject Zeus, Thor and Vishnu, you'll understand why I reject your God.
Jacob's parable about the tame and wild olive trees.
This is the longest and most boring chapter in the most boring book ever written (The Book of Mormon). Thirty-one times it came to pass that the trees were cumbered, grafted, pruned, plucked, dunged, and digged about for no apparent purpose, except to waste 3733 words. 5:1-77
I have to say though, there's alot less bigotry in your holy book compared to the original bible from a cursory glance. The anti-homosexuality section isn't particularly large for example. Perhaps that's why Mormons are generally nice people.
You never know, one day we might. Heard a great talk from Neil deGrasse about E.T life where he pointed out that it is less than 1% genetic material seperating us from Chimps, what if aliens or an AI were 1% smarter than us, would we be Chimps to them?
No one has the right to not be offended, however that doesn't mean you should exploit that. You're blindly marching in here claiming your beliefs to be correct and not adding anything to the discussion, why you choose to post here baffles me.
actually scientist have found plenty of evidence showing that jesus existed, and was revered as the son of god in his time, They have found Sodom or Gomorrah too and guess what it was Obliterated by a very rare meteor shower, they have found evidence, but non physical only that noah has existed, There is tons of evidence supporting that the events in the bible happened to some extent, they have found that the slaves in egypt did move away.
But because science is soo limited they wont accept the simple fact...
If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, its a fucking duck.
You should go watch the 'It's all about the Mormons' South Park episode (free to watch on the South Park site), then find the creators' commentary to that on Youtube.
The reason we have modern ethics & morals today is because we've progressed this far as a civilization through scientific means. Scientific advancement has given us time to sit down and actually think about what it means to be moral. Again, things such as being nice to animals, equality of women, equality of African Americans, etc. have arisen only in the last century.
That's not true! The ancient Romans with their gladiator pits were on the cusp of the steam engine. If they were afforded the time to stumble upon it...
Poetic that their inner barbarism was unmade by literal barbarians.
actually scientist have found plenty of evidence showing that jesus existed, and was revered as the son of god in his time
There is no scientific evidence that Jesus existed, nor Nazareth for that matter. Just a well. No buildings, nothing. He probably did exist, but there's no evidence to support it.
I don't really have anything to comment on, but wanted to say thank you for the information. Mormonism is by far one of my weakest religions, alongside Sikhism and Jainism. I've never really looked into it before now.
There is no scientific evidence that Jesus existed, nor Nazareth for that matter. Just a well. No buildings, nothing. He probably did exist, but there's no evidence to support it.
Science deals with facts. You can't make facts up, because someone is going to find out and bitchslap you.
Yea, theres no scientific evidence Abraham Lincoln existed either or Genghis khan or Caesar. Wait what , we dont use Science for that, but historic evidence, recordings, eye-witnesses etc.? How old are you Eiviyn?.
hey have found Sodom or Gomorrah too and guess what it was Obliterated by a very rare meteor shower, they have found evidence
No they haven't.
Yes they have. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,343674,00.html
they have found that the slaves in egypt did move away.
No evidence of Israelite slaves has ever been found in Egypt.
Instead of saying, No evidence, No facts, Nothing. Why dont you ask us to verify it for you?. Wouldn`t that be the intelligent and rational response?.
There`s a lot of scientific evidence( I took a screenshot of your post) now to suggest your beliefs dont add up to the truth and facts of reality.
Yea, theres no scientific evidence Abraham Lincoln existed either or Genghis khan or Caesar. Wait what , we dont use Science for that, but historic evidence, recordings, eye-witnesses etc.? How old are you Eiviyn?.
There's plenty of evidence that Caesar and Abraham Lincoln existed. I don't think you thought that through.
Secondly, I'm not denying that Jesus existed. He probably did. However, there's no evidence for it.
hey have found Sodom or Gomorrah too and guess what it was Obliterated by a very rare meteor shower, they have found evidence
No they haven't.
Yes they have. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,343674,00.html
Fox news is a joke source with a creationist agenda. Since you accept Wikipedia;
"The historical existence of Sodom and Gomorrah is still in dispute by archaeologists, as little archaeological evidence has ever been found in the regions where they were supposedly situated."
There are other sources too for the Sodom and Gomorrah article. No agenda going on(Unlike human evolution), but as I said, there are other sources.
The historical existence of Sodom and Gomorrah is still in dispute by archaeologists, as little archaeological evidence has ever been found in the regions where they were supposedly situated
Little archaeological evidence... Of course, considering it was mostly destroyed by fire. What little evidence there is, points to the biblical account. If I could remember the other link/s I would post it.
I posted that one because I has saw it on the History channel a few years back, back when the history channel... actually talked about History hahah back when I used to watch TV.
And the only reason they say evolution is real, is because everything is made up of Cells, And if everything is made of cells then we must all be related... well guess what... IM NOT RELATED TO A FUCKIN BANANA!!! and I mean the literal Fruit.
There are other sources too for the Sodom and Gomorrah article. No agenda going on(Unlike human evolution), but as I said, there are other sources.
The historical existence of Sodom and Gomorrah is still in dispute by archaeologists, as little archaeological evidence has ever been found in the regions where they were supposedly situated
Little archaeological evidence... Of course, considering it was mostly destroyed by fire. What little evidence there is, points to the biblical account. If I could remember the other link/s I would post it.
Firstly, nearly all archaeological evidence has been destroyed via something. That's really no excuse. However, more interestingly...
What's this agenda behind evolution? I'm really curious.
If you can get rid of religion you can control the peoples will.
There is Excessive evidence that over the past 20 years the government has poisoned the Children s minds into disbelieving in god, No more Pledge of allegiance, schools dumbing down the population, Gays are Widely accepted, Evolution Is taught in class, and Creationalism is Mocked constantly. They hide details on anything relating to the bible. And Now the president of the united states has come out and said that this is no longer a christian nation.
and it didnt start here, they are using tactics that the German Scientist students used to turn kids into nazis, Then the UK got a hold of it, then the US, and now the whole world is practicing it.
Teachers no longer teach math they ask how the numbers make them feel.
its conditioning to Remove Religion, because religion is the only thing that stands in the way of Totalitarianism
"Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler's campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly" - Albert Einstein 1940
BTW Darwin Married his cousin So did Einstein, So I trust Neither. they were both obviously fucked in the head.
do not link this to what Eternal says though this is my own view of it not his and i do not represent him or anyone else here.
Because when you have religion, you have a common Belief system, And its something that the people are willing to Physically fight and die for. Not just rollover like with atheism, We wouldn't stand for 2 people fucking in front of our kids, we keep our Moral values that are part of our Beliefs.
Only the Church and its people( Not just church but religious establishment), are willing to Fight and hold back people like Stalin and Hitler.
Yes there have been times when the church because corrupted, but it has also been cleansed. Say what you will, but in EVERYWAY religion is superior.
Right now Muslims are fighting for their Beliefs, and while they should be fighting, they are fighting the wrong enemies.
Christians Jews and Muslims shouldnt be fighting we should be standing together reguardless of who the savior is and stop this evil which Plagues this world.
30 seconds of research would show you which verse each claim refers to. Is that too much?
Secondly, I've nearly finished debunking your list. Hold on.
When religion goes wrong:
Jesus said something in the line, "Do not weep for me, but weep for your daughters. If they can do this now, how much more when..."
Posted this to point out an extreme. A warning: this video is not for the faint of heart.
Whatever you do, wholeheartedly, moment by heartfelt moment, becomes a tool for the expression of your very soul.
The universe had a beginning
Nothing scientific here. This is the creationist's account of how the universe began.
The universe was created from the invisible
Atoms aren't invisible. Spray some deoderant infront of your face. Oh look, atoms!
The universe is expanding
Very generous translation of "he stretches out the heavens". This is much more likely to apply to the creation of the heavens.
Creation of matter and energy has ended in the universe
"Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array."
Again, very loose translation.
A god violates thermodynamics, as does the genesis account.
If the First Law is correct, which every scientific measurement ever made has confirmed, then the universe could not have created itself
Pardon me for saying this, but I love it when creationists try to use science to prove their claims, and end up getting the science completely wrong.
The total energy of the universe is 0. That is, for every positive particle, there is a negative one. 1+(-1) = 0. You don't understand thermodynamics, and you don't understand big bang theory.
We see this happen all around us. Two particles pop into existance, one an anti- of the other, then annihilate eachother.
Funny that.
The universe is winding down and will "wear out"
It's been long-held that the Earth is in an "end times" by Christians. For the past 1950 years, infact.
Number of stars
"I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore."
This really says nothing.
"As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured"
This also says nothing. Wrong verses?
Every star is different
It also says the Sun is not a star, which is false.
Pleiades and Orion as gravitationally bound star groups
Orion is not a star cluster. It's a constellation. Yes, there's a difference.
Gravity holds them together, not God. Unless you're claiming that gravity is God.
Thirdly in 1/4 billion years, they will unbind.
Light is in motion
"What is the way to the abode of light? And where does darkness reside? Can you take them to their places? Do you know the paths to their dwellings?
This passage is not dealing with the motion of light. It is dealing with the question the ancient Hebrews asked regarding where light and darkness reside. They thought that light and darkness were two independent entities that dwell in different locations. This interpretation is further supported by the next verse, Job 38:20, which reads, "That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths [to] the house thereof?"
So you misinterpretted it, basically.
Stars emit radio waves
It says "the morning stars sing". You're stretching this too thin.
The earth is controlled by the heavens
Wait, wait. This is the bible. From a biblical perspective, God controls Earth. In addition, it specifically states "God's dominion", reinforcing that it is talking about Heaven's lordship over the Earth.
Earth is a sphere
Isaiah 40:22 (written 2800 years ago): "It is he that sits upon the circle of the earth."
I was looking forward to this one.
Firstly, it says "circle". Circles are flat. Secondly, the church opposed a spherical Earth for hundreds of years. I'm surprised you included this one.
At any time, there is day and night on the Earth
"I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left"
Again, not really sure how you reached this conclusion.
Earth is suspended in space
Firstly, it's not. Earth moves. Fast. It spins, it rotates, it is in an orbit around an orbit around an orbit. It is the very definition of "not suspended".
Secondly, it was (as you pointed out) believed the Earth was set up upon pillars. This would be a suspended Earth.
That Hole In The North
Sounds taken out of context. What verse?
http://www.eternal-productions.org/101science.html
You should read this. You'd like it. It's a list of 101 claims like your own that have been thoroughly debunked. You might get some ideas.
The fact of the matter is that none of these things were discovered by studying the bible.
Any comparison that you, or a muslim with his quran, or whoever else makes these claims, is made in hindsight. If there were truly science in either, why has nothing been discovered though them?
Scientific advancement is not an invariably noble endeavor regardless of anything. If it surpasses our moral advancement it'll be our doom.
The only thing I advocate is dealing with observable reality and basing your morals off of actual modern ethics instead of brutal bronze-age myths.
The reason we have modern ethics & morals today is because we've progressed this far as a civilization through scientific means. Scientific advancement has given us time to sit down and actually think about what it means to be moral. Again, things such as being nice to animals, equality of women, equality of African Americans, etc. have arisen only in the last century.
I find it appalling that in 2012 I still have to tell people that a book which gives you instructions on how to keep and beat slaves (the bible) is not fit to be used for moral instruction.
What the actual fuck? That's right, we can't understand the universe, which is why we've deduced how it evolved, why we've mapped out the lifetimes of stars, the cosmic microwave background radiation, the superstructure of the galaxy filaments, the interaction of dark matter/energy with regular matter, and why we are planning possible experiments to test m-theory and the like. We should just give up and live in caves because this guy hates science.
What a sad little shell of a human being you must be knowing that you'll go on a mass-murdering rampage without your holy book telling you how to be a good person because you can't figure it out yourself. You're literally a slave, which in retrospect I guess religion is a good thing for people like you.
Quoted for truth.
So this is basically polytheism, just that God the father is superior?
I wasn't talking about the people behind science or religion. Clearly they can all be evil and egotistical. I'm referring more to the philosophies themselves. I find the scientific method to be humble. And indeed, there is no sign of arrogance or hubris in any science textbook I've ever read. I cannot say the same for all religious texts.
Guess which one the church says is more harmful for children:
With science there is no interpretation, because there is real-life proof for discoveries. Christianity came along and they decided that Jesus was the messiah. Now the Jews and the rest of the world, they didn't really give a damn because religion is religion and nobody gives a shit what you think. But if religion worked anything like science, they would have been like "Ok, you guys were right. Jesus is lord. Thank god we got this figured out, for the good of humanity." Scientists don't get their feelings hurt when you question their theories or when their theories are proven wrong. And that's because science isn't a "I'm right, you're wrong" ordeal like religion, it's a communal effort to help improve the world. Certainly there is some pride/jealousy involved in people's work, but that's inevitable when you spend your entire life working on it.
Well here's the actual records from a google search:
http://byulaw.blogspot.com/2005/09/joseph-smiths-arrest-records-found.html
So do you agree with me then that God does not care what protocols/religion you follow? Or is it just that 2/3 of the planet is getting screwed over? Furthermore, would it not be of benefit to be a nonbeliever and a good person, that way you can't say you did any of the things you did hoping for reward?
My perspective on this is that it's just another one of religion's mental traps to keep believers complicit. There will always be an excuse for why there can be no evidence or why God can't provide any. You can't tempt god, etc. etc.
"I don't take the silly parts of the bible literally" is not exactly the greatest defense. But that aside I've already admitted that Catholics are the flavor of the month, so what's the problem? When you understand why you reject Zeus, Thor and Vishnu, you'll understand why I reject your God.
In the meantime, I suggest you check out this site: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/BOM/index.htm
I found this especially amusing:
I have to say though, there's alot less bigotry in your holy book compared to the original bible from a cursory glance. The anti-homosexuality section isn't particularly large for example. Perhaps that's why Mormons are generally nice people.
@EternalWraith: Go
You never know, one day we might. Heard a great talk from Neil deGrasse about E.T life where he pointed out that it is less than 1% genetic material seperating us from Chimps, what if aliens or an AI were 1% smarter than us, would we be Chimps to them?
@FDFederation: Go
No one has the right to not be offended, however that doesn't mean you should exploit that. You're blindly marching in here claiming your beliefs to be correct and not adding anything to the discussion, why you choose to post here baffles me.
@GnaReffotsirk: Go
actually scientist have found plenty of evidence showing that jesus existed, and was revered as the son of god in his time, They have found Sodom or Gomorrah too and guess what it was Obliterated by a very rare meteor shower, they have found evidence, but non physical only that noah has existed, There is tons of evidence supporting that the events in the bible happened to some extent, they have found that the slaves in egypt did move away.
But because science is soo limited they wont accept the simple fact...
If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, its a fucking duck.
@ProzaicMuze: Go
You should go watch the 'It's all about the Mormons' South Park episode (free to watch on the South Park site), then find the creators' commentary to that on Youtube.
That's not true! The ancient Romans with their gladiator pits were on the cusp of the steam engine. If they were afforded the time to stumble upon it...
Poetic that their inner barbarism was unmade by literal barbarians.
There is no scientific evidence that Jesus existed, nor Nazareth for that matter. Just a well. No buildings, nothing. He probably did exist, but there's no evidence to support it.
No they haven't.
No evidence of Israelite slaves has been found in Egypt.
Science deals with facts. You can't make facts up, because someone is going to find out and bitchslap you.
@ProzaicMuze: Go
I don't really have anything to comment on, but wanted to say thank you for the information. Mormonism is by far one of my weakest religions, alongside Sikhism and Jainism. I've never really looked into it before now.
@Eiviyn: Go
Heres just an article for Sodom and Gomorrah.
http://voices.yahoo.com/sodom-gomorrah-has-archeology-found-proof-the-688985.html
Yes its yahoo unfortunatly, But there are plenty of others, I just clicked one.
Yea, theres no scientific evidence Abraham Lincoln existed either or Genghis khan or Caesar. Wait what , we dont use Science for that, but historic evidence, recordings, eye-witnesses etc.? How old are you Eiviyn?.
Actually, he existed 100%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus#Existence
hey have found Sodom or Gomorrah too and guess what it was Obliterated by a very rare meteor shower, they have found evidence
No they haven't.
Yes they have.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,343674,00.html
they have found that the slaves in egypt did move away.
No evidence of Israelite slaves has ever been found in Egypt.
There is scientific proof the plagues occurred in Egypt. There is also an ancient Egyptian papyrus that confirms the story:
http://masada1234.blogspot.com/2008/04/archaeological-evidence-for-ten-plagues.html
About the ten plagues:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/7530678/Biblical-plagues-really-happened-say-scientists.html
http://www.theweeklyconstitutional.com/news/we-cant-explain-it/458-scientist-prove-the-ten-plagues-of-egypt-really-did-happen
Instead of saying, No evidence, No facts, Nothing. Why dont you ask us to verify it for you?. Wouldn`t that be the intelligent and rational response?.
There`s a lot of scientific evidence( I took a screenshot of your post) now to suggest your beliefs dont add up to the truth and facts of reality.
There's plenty of evidence that Caesar and Abraham Lincoln existed. I don't think you thought that through.
Secondly, I'm not denying that Jesus existed. He probably did. However, there's no evidence for it.
Fox news is a joke source with a creationist agenda. Since you accept Wikipedia;
"The historical existence of Sodom and Gomorrah is still in dispute by archaeologists, as little archaeological evidence has ever been found in the regions where they were supposedly situated."
No, it wouldn't. If you claim something, you prove it. It's not up to me to disprove it. That's not how logic works.
@Eiviyn: Go
There are other sources too for the Sodom and Gomorrah article. No agenda going on(Unlike human evolution), but as I said, there are other sources.
The historical existence of Sodom and Gomorrah is still in dispute by archaeologists, as little archaeological evidence has ever been found in the regions where they were supposedly situated
Little archaeological evidence... Of course, considering it was mostly destroyed by fire. What little evidence there is, points to the biblical account. If I could remember the other link/s I would post it.
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I posted that one because I has saw it on the History channel a few years back, back when the history channel... actually talked about History hahah back when I used to watch TV.
And the only reason they say evolution is real, is because everything is made up of Cells, And if everything is made of cells then we must all be related... well guess what... IM NOT RELATED TO A FUCKIN BANANA!!! and I mean the literal Fruit.
Firstly, nearly all archaeological evidence has been destroyed via something. That's really no excuse. However, more interestingly...
What's this agenda behind evolution? I'm really curious.
@Eiviyn: Go
Well from a Conspiratorial point of view.
If you can get rid of religion you can control the peoples will.
There is Excessive evidence that over the past 20 years the government has poisoned the Children s minds into disbelieving in god, No more Pledge of allegiance, schools dumbing down the population, Gays are Widely accepted, Evolution Is taught in class, and Creationalism is Mocked constantly. They hide details on anything relating to the bible. And Now the president of the united states has come out and said that this is no longer a christian nation.
and it didnt start here, they are using tactics that the German Scientist students used to turn kids into nazis, Then the UK got a hold of it, then the US, and now the whole world is practicing it.
Teachers no longer teach math they ask how the numbers make them feel.
its conditioning to Remove Religion, because religion is the only thing that stands in the way of Totalitarianism
"Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler's campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly" - Albert Einstein 1940
BTW Darwin Married his cousin So did Einstein, So I trust Neither. they were both obviously fucked in the head.
do not link this to what Eternal says though this is my own view of it not his and i do not represent him or anyone else here.
How exactly would getting rid of religion help control people?
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Because when you have religion, you have a common Belief system, And its something that the people are willing to Physically fight and die for. Not just rollover like with atheism, We wouldn't stand for 2 people fucking in front of our kids, we keep our Moral values that are part of our Beliefs.
Only the Church and its people( Not just church but religious establishment), are willing to Fight and hold back people like Stalin and Hitler.
Yes there have been times when the church because corrupted, but it has also been cleansed. Say what you will, but in EVERYWAY religion is superior.
Right now Muslims are fighting for their Beliefs, and while they should be fighting, they are fighting the wrong enemies.
Christians Jews and Muslims shouldnt be fighting we should be standing together reguardless of who the savior is and stop this evil which Plagues this world.