The MPAA and the RIAA are sueing Ireland for not having a copyright law... Yeah sueing a whole country...
They are the sponsers of this bill, they are where the dirty money is coming from
What really pisses me off though is they we americans are paying taxes to help protect multi billionairs(if not trillionairs), Because they dont want to spend money to protect their own product, They are still using the same technology to protect their movies that was used in 1998 when the Dvds first came out(though Cinevia is working currently)
Yeah someone is always going to break the code, But heres how I see it, Pirating will go down 98% if they would just make it harder to pirate their stuff, Right now any average joe can pirate it, Look at blizzard how they protect their maps, why cant the movie industry do the same thing? Dont tell me them basterds doesnt have the money. Thats a load of crap, they make 500 million off one fast and the furious movie after you take out the budget.... So why cant they protect their own property and make it so the average joe cant download a movie with ease if they are that worried about it in the first place.
Why cant they spend a couple hundred grand(small fourtune to us, Pocket change to them), to Protect their shit, We pay for warrenties, we pay for security, but the billionairs cant pay for theirs?
Disclaimer- I do not necessarily represent the views of curse or sc2mapster with my political opinion here ;)
Now for my new opinion- basically, the people that this bill will really hurt is youtube. Everywhere else will be kind of hit, but youtube will be seriously hurt. They'll have to check the 2 years worth of video uploaded every day for copyright infringement before they upload it. I doubt that this will really effect my life- but if you're interested, google has set up a petition here.
“Stealing copyrighted material is a serious problem for American businesses and innovators,” Ruppersberger wrote in his blog. “The theft of movies, music and television content over the Internet costs the U.S. economy more than 373,000 jobs, $16 billion in lost earnings, and $3 billion in lost federal, state and local government tax revenue each year.
“However, I have serious reservations about this bill in its current form because of its potential impact on cybersecurity,” he continues. As Ranking Member of the House Intelligence Community, I believe cyber attacks are one of our nation’s top threats. Until we better understand the impact, I can not support this legislation.”
Where are they getting their numbers from?
The Movie Industry has never been better. It used to be 100 millionn$ was a AMAAZING movie, Now seeing 2-300Million is a Decent movie, and a great movie is 1 billion(avatar)
They are a crock of shit if they honestly think that these industrys are loosing money.
Music, Isn't loosing either, People test thier music on Youtube, OR download a song or two then go buy it on Itunes...
If they are worried about the economy, Get all the illegals in our schools and on our Welfare THE FUCK OUT OF here, and stop Voting on this gay ass bill Because I see at least 15 illegals at the flea markett saleing bootlegs. The internet is only One web.
North Carolina is 36% Illegal Mexican, Sorry if anyone is Mexican, but its true, We have them in our schools, and on Disability, and Food stamps when they dont even have citizenship, I wouldn't go to Germany illegally and expect anything from the Government so why should we give them anything, they came here illegal...
America the only fucking country to blow up another country of terrorist then PAY them to help them rebuild, America the only country that cares more about the starving kids in africa then the starving kids on our streets.
WE CAN CREATE ANOTHER WAN(WWW), We can improve it and make it better.
I call the following domains
Porn.com
Shadowwolf.com
Taintedwisp.com
Google.com
Facebook.com
Myspace.com
Pornhub.com
wikipedia.com
Microsoft.com
Obamaisajoke.com
Whitehouse.com
SOPA AND PROTECT IP are probably made by a secret cult that really serves satan. reason i say this is because nothing good comes from those bills... only evil comes of it. we must tell them to shut the f up. one way or another. PS REPUBLICANS/TEA PARTY MEMBERS ARE TRASH and don't say they aren't because they don't support animated shows. and we have all these dumbassed reality shows (like american chopper and deadliest catch) pss they are corrupt most of the ones in charge the rest are idiots oh and btw im XENO YOXA AND I APPROVE THIS MESSAGE! (no really i do) btw my name is spoken without x so your prenouncing it ENO YOXA. the x be silent. lol some of my message is gibberish but o well. aka my name isn't really that but yea its my username so wooooo.
Not just republicans, Obama, and his crappy parts are trash too, Im a registered independent. RIght wing, Left wing... why cant someone just speak THEIR opinion and not their parties opinion...
to be honest i may be gullible i may not be... but one of my relatives told me that bit about republicans hating animation in tv cause it costs more money and you can get anyone of the streets to do it cheaper (aka not animation) but yea he could have bad info too. but ill go with him on this one... cause he isn't the type to lie. btw obama is trying to improve the country... its the republicans who are blocking his efforts. trying to make themselves richer at the cost of the god damn country. i swear they need to be erased from the country one way or another. George Washington said having two parties was a bad idea... and he was right... but i would watch what you say cause its very insulting. you think i really believe something that i don't think is true? btw independent is a good idea... republicans cant bully you as much. and yes i do consider the republicans more or less a cult of wealthy people who do bad things.
Okay what you said about george Washington let me explain what happend and you will understand why there both fuckin stupid(repub/democrats)
There was first the Federalist(strong central governemnt), the Anti-Federalist(No central government wanted)
The federalist won, The federalist is also known as the Republican/democrat party, around Lincoln(I think, not sure might have been a couple decades before), they split up, Demos wanted slavery, Repubs wanted To extrodite all africans(Get rid of them)
So first neither WANTED black people, Thats a myth. Lincoln freed the slaves, And then Paid for all the africans to go back to africa, But very few actually took the deal, because they wanted to live here.
Also Fun Fact about the confederacy, Lincoln had slaves, He freed during the war.
Jefferson, freed his slaves when he inherited them, so did Robert E Lee, They didnt WANT slavery, they wanted to Slowly Get off slavery, because they feared that the southern economy would fall if slavery was just abolished all together.
So really the Repubs and the democrats are the same people. Both are the rich assholes of america.
Where I got this from? - I took 2 extra American History classes for electives, along with world history, and us history, Vietmanese history and Bible as history(I love history), i took a year of latin for the history :D lol.
What happened with Megaupload was simply the publishing and recording industries kicking the board right after losing the game (SOPA not being passed). I'm a law student and I have researched this subject for a paper I had to write on consumer's rights on the Internet. As far as my research went all I can say is that there's widespread confusion and misinformation regarding piracy and intellectual property. For starters the film, publishing, and recording industries have long since been afraid of the Internet because they are following an obsolete business model. The same thing was said about the TV in its own time: how it would hurt the artist and authors by allowing free access to content protected by copyright. However copyright laws forbid profit through distribution of copies or profit through the provision of access to such content (example: selling pirated DVDs or charging people to view a movie I bought). You are of course allowed to share absolutely anything you buy, including data, with whomever you please as long as you do not seek profit from it.
Intellectual property is still property, therefore it is subject to the same laws pertaining to property as an absolute right. The ramifications might be different but it is in essence the same: when you own a car/laptop/house/whatever you have every right inherent to property, meaning you can enjoy/use/dispose/reinvindicate (which means get your stuff back after it's been taken from you) whatever you have purchased. The properties of property (sounds redundant I know) are that it is absolute (though only in name because property is subject to expropriation by the government in certain cases); it is real, which is a distinction in regards to other rights; and it is eternal, that is the right doesn't cease to function when the owner parts with his property, and can only be extinguished by destruction or transfer of said property.
In regards to intellectual property you basically acquire a copy, yet you do not acquire the ownership of the content. The difference between both is that even though you have the right to enjoy/use/dispose/reinvindicate the CD where the copy is stored, you have no right to the content of such. In essence, you cannot apply the concepts of property to the registered material. In other words, you can do anything to the cd/DVD/book and the content stored in there (with the exception of the original copy of the material), however you do not own the song/movie/story you bought and therefore cannot dispose or profit from such as if it were your own. This means that you couldn't, for example, record the song and sell it for a profit, or go to the patent office and modify the registered material. You can however copy and dispose of whatever is stored in your disk as long as you do not violate the author's rights (meaning profiting from the material itself).
Now that that's out of the way let us talk about the industries themselves. They're the middle man in all of this. The artists create materials and sell the publishing rights (and publishing rights alone, I can't stress this enough) to a company which will then redistribute the content to everyone else for a profit. This is what sparks the controversy, because the companies in charge of doing this want to profit as much as they can from material they do not own. And for decades they got away with it while making millions in the process while only paying a meager 3% to the artists and actual owners of such content (not kidding here, only if you're well known can you earn up to 10% of the profit from the sales). This was all fine and dandy until the Internet came along and it allowed consumers to share their own legally purchased copy with everyone else. The concept that downloading intellectual property from the Internet is stealing is completely ludicrous from a legal standpoint. If I purchase a copy containing copywritten content I may not have the right to make copies and sell it, but I can make copies for myself and I can also lend or gift such copies to others. This of course doesn't sit well for the publishing industries because they lose a lot of money due to people resorting to the Internet to acquire copies instead of resorting to their highly overpriced copies. But here's the bottom line: since the availability of copywritten content on the Internet (the invention of MP3s followed by services like iTune, Netflix and others) artists now earn more than they did a decade ago, and the only ones losing here are the publishers. What they are doing right now is fighting with whatever means they have at their disposal to protect an old and outdated business model that has no place or future in today's society.
In short: "piracy" is not a problem of theft, but rather a problem of lack of service. If you do not provide the service customers require, someone else will.
It applies to US sites, but since a gigantic chunk of sites are hosted in the US, it would effect everybody. For example, say you guys are EU folks, and you posted lots of not-okay content here, on a US site. We could technically get shut down, and then you (in Europe) would suffer the loss of your favorite site ever.
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@Neonsz: Go
You know what pisses me off the most?
Honestly
First let me tell you something
The MPAA and the RIAA are sueing Ireland for not having a copyright law... Yeah sueing a whole country... They are the sponsers of this bill, they are where the dirty money is coming from
What really pisses me off though is they we americans are paying taxes to help protect multi billionairs(if not trillionairs), Because they dont want to spend money to protect their own product, They are still using the same technology to protect their movies that was used in 1998 when the Dvds first came out(though Cinevia is working currently)
Yeah someone is always going to break the code, But heres how I see it, Pirating will go down 98% if they would just make it harder to pirate their stuff, Right now any average joe can pirate it, Look at blizzard how they protect their maps, why cant the movie industry do the same thing? Dont tell me them basterds doesnt have the money. Thats a load of crap, they make 500 million off one fast and the furious movie after you take out the budget.... So why cant they protect their own property and make it so the average joe cant download a movie with ease if they are that worried about it in the first place.
Why cant they spend a couple hundred grand(small fourtune to us, Pocket change to them), to Protect their shit, We pay for warrenties, we pay for security, but the billionairs cant pay for theirs?
That's bullshit in the major third degree, to put it very bluntly.
@LongLivetheTalDarim: Go
Disclaimer- I do not necessarily represent the views of curse or sc2mapster with my political opinion here ;)
Now for my new opinion- basically, the people that this bill will really hurt is youtube. Everywhere else will be kind of hit, but youtube will be seriously hurt. They'll have to check the 2 years worth of video uploaded every day for copyright infringement before they upload it. I doubt that this will really effect my life- but if you're interested, google has set up a petition here.
@zeldarules28: Go
Zelda it gets worse...
WIkipedia said if it passes they will Kill the entire english section on their site.
@Taintedwisp: Go
Oh- a bunch of the major supporters have dropped out of the bill. We're making progress. Ya can't live without wikipedia.
I heard that the vote was further delayed until some time in February.
@Keyeszx: Go
Zelda, Really? Sweet.
@Nebuli2: Go
It was moved to Jan 24th I think
“Stealing copyrighted material is a serious problem for American businesses and innovators,” Ruppersberger wrote in his blog. “The theft of movies, music and television content over the Internet costs the U.S. economy more than 373,000 jobs, $16 billion in lost earnings, and $3 billion in lost federal, state and local government tax revenue each year.
“However, I have serious reservations about this bill in its current form because of its potential impact on cybersecurity,” he continues. As Ranking Member of the House Intelligence Community, I believe cyber attacks are one of our nation’s top threats. Until we better understand the impact, I can not support this legislation.”
Where are they getting their numbers from? The Movie Industry has never been better. It used to be 100 millionn$ was a AMAAZING movie, Now seeing 2-300Million is a Decent movie, and a great movie is 1 billion(avatar)
They are a crock of shit if they honestly think that these industrys are loosing money.
Music, Isn't loosing either, People test thier music on Youtube, OR download a song or two then go buy it on Itunes...
This Shows how stupid Congress is.
@Taintedwisp: Go
If they are worried about the economy, Get all the illegals in our schools and on our Welfare THE FUCK OUT OF here, and stop Voting on this gay ass bill Because I see at least 15 illegals at the flea markett saleing bootlegs. The internet is only One web.
North Carolina is 36% Illegal Mexican, Sorry if anyone is Mexican, but its true, We have them in our schools, and on Disability, and Food stamps when they dont even have citizenship, I wouldn't go to Germany illegally and expect anything from the Government so why should we give them anything, they came here illegal...
America the only fucking country to blow up another country of terrorist then PAY them to help them rebuild, America the only country that cares more about the starving kids in africa then the starving kids on our streets.
WE CAN CREATE ANOTHER WAN(WWW), We can improve it and make it better.
I call the following domains Porn.com Shadowwolf.com Taintedwisp.com Google.com Facebook.com Myspace.com Pornhub.com wikipedia.com Microsoft.com Obamaisajoke.com Whitehouse.com
@Taintedwisp: Go
SOPA AND PROTECT IP are probably made by a secret cult that really serves satan. reason i say this is because nothing good comes from those bills... only evil comes of it. we must tell them to shut the f up. one way or another. PS REPUBLICANS/TEA PARTY MEMBERS ARE TRASH and don't say they aren't because they don't support animated shows. and we have all these dumbassed reality shows (like american chopper and deadliest catch) pss they are corrupt most of the ones in charge the rest are idiots oh and btw im XENO YOXA AND I APPROVE THIS MESSAGE! (no really i do) btw my name is spoken without x so your prenouncing it ENO YOXA. the x be silent. lol some of my message is gibberish but o well. aka my name isn't really that but yea its my username so wooooo.
@XenoYoxa: Go
Not just republicans, Obama, and his crappy parts are trash too, Im a registered independent. RIght wing, Left wing... why cant someone just speak THEIR opinion and not their parties opinion...
@Taintedwisp: Go
+1, This.
@Taintedwisp: Go
to be honest i may be gullible i may not be... but one of my relatives told me that bit about republicans hating animation in tv cause it costs more money and you can get anyone of the streets to do it cheaper (aka not animation) but yea he could have bad info too. but ill go with him on this one... cause he isn't the type to lie. btw obama is trying to improve the country... its the republicans who are blocking his efforts. trying to make themselves richer at the cost of the god damn country. i swear they need to be erased from the country one way or another. George Washington said having two parties was a bad idea... and he was right... but i would watch what you say cause its very insulting. you think i really believe something that i don't think is true? btw independent is a good idea... republicans cant bully you as much. and yes i do consider the republicans more or less a cult of wealthy people who do bad things.
@XenoYoxa:
Both are rich assholes who just want the poor to suffer for their cause, Obama wants Communism, Republicans want a monarchy...
@XenoYoxa:
Okay what you said about george Washington let me explain what happend and you will understand why there both fuckin stupid(repub/democrats)
There was first the Federalist(strong central governemnt), the Anti-Federalist(No central government wanted)
The federalist won, The federalist is also known as the Republican/democrat party, around Lincoln(I think, not sure might have been a couple decades before), they split up, Demos wanted slavery, Repubs wanted To extrodite all africans(Get rid of them)
So first neither WANTED black people, Thats a myth. Lincoln freed the slaves, And then Paid for all the africans to go back to africa, But very few actually took the deal, because they wanted to live here.
Also Fun Fact about the confederacy, Lincoln had slaves, He freed during the war.
Jefferson, freed his slaves when he inherited them, so did Robert E Lee, They didnt WANT slavery, they wanted to Slowly Get off slavery, because they feared that the southern economy would fall if slavery was just abolished all together.
So really the Repubs and the democrats are the same people. Both are the rich assholes of america.
Where I got this from? - I took 2 extra American History classes for electives, along with world history, and us history, Vietmanese history and Bible as history(I love history), i took a year of latin for the history :D lol.
so we get stuck with the monopoly that is Microsoft.
lol@ MS begin a monopoly!!.. you been hiding in your parents basement for to long i think.
apple and Google are over Microsoft..... how can you say that the company doing the worst has a monopoly?
any ways w/e lol
will SOPA affect US only?
Good post from SC2 General forums:
What happened with Megaupload was simply the publishing and recording industries kicking the board right after losing the game (SOPA not being passed). I'm a law student and I have researched this subject for a paper I had to write on consumer's rights on the Internet. As far as my research went all I can say is that there's widespread confusion and misinformation regarding piracy and intellectual property. For starters the film, publishing, and recording industries have long since been afraid of the Internet because they are following an obsolete business model. The same thing was said about the TV in its own time: how it would hurt the artist and authors by allowing free access to content protected by copyright. However copyright laws forbid profit through distribution of copies or profit through the provision of access to such content (example: selling pirated DVDs or charging people to view a movie I bought). You are of course allowed to share absolutely anything you buy, including data, with whomever you please as long as you do not seek profit from it.
Intellectual property is still property, therefore it is subject to the same laws pertaining to property as an absolute right. The ramifications might be different but it is in essence the same: when you own a car/laptop/house/whatever you have every right inherent to property, meaning you can enjoy/use/dispose/reinvindicate (which means get your stuff back after it's been taken from you) whatever you have purchased. The properties of property (sounds redundant I know) are that it is absolute (though only in name because property is subject to expropriation by the government in certain cases); it is real, which is a distinction in regards to other rights; and it is eternal, that is the right doesn't cease to function when the owner parts with his property, and can only be extinguished by destruction or transfer of said property.
In regards to intellectual property you basically acquire a copy, yet you do not acquire the ownership of the content. The difference between both is that even though you have the right to enjoy/use/dispose/reinvindicate the CD where the copy is stored, you have no right to the content of such. In essence, you cannot apply the concepts of property to the registered material. In other words, you can do anything to the cd/DVD/book and the content stored in there (with the exception of the original copy of the material), however you do not own the song/movie/story you bought and therefore cannot dispose or profit from such as if it were your own. This means that you couldn't, for example, record the song and sell it for a profit, or go to the patent office and modify the registered material. You can however copy and dispose of whatever is stored in your disk as long as you do not violate the author's rights (meaning profiting from the material itself).
Now that that's out of the way let us talk about the industries themselves. They're the middle man in all of this. The artists create materials and sell the publishing rights (and publishing rights alone, I can't stress this enough) to a company which will then redistribute the content to everyone else for a profit. This is what sparks the controversy, because the companies in charge of doing this want to profit as much as they can from material they do not own. And for decades they got away with it while making millions in the process while only paying a meager 3% to the artists and actual owners of such content (not kidding here, only if you're well known can you earn up to 10% of the profit from the sales). This was all fine and dandy until the Internet came along and it allowed consumers to share their own legally purchased copy with everyone else. The concept that downloading intellectual property from the Internet is stealing is completely ludicrous from a legal standpoint. If I purchase a copy containing copywritten content I may not have the right to make copies and sell it, but I can make copies for myself and I can also lend or gift such copies to others. This of course doesn't sit well for the publishing industries because they lose a lot of money due to people resorting to the Internet to acquire copies instead of resorting to their highly overpriced copies. But here's the bottom line: since the availability of copywritten content on the Internet (the invention of MP3s followed by services like iTune, Netflix and others) artists now earn more than they did a decade ago, and the only ones losing here are the publishers. What they are doing right now is fighting with whatever means they have at their disposal to protect an old and outdated business model that has no place or future in today's society.
In short: "piracy" is not a problem of theft, but rather a problem of lack of service. If you do not provide the service customers require, someone else will.
For the record, SOPA has (as far as I have heard) been removed from the congress, at least in it's current form.
It applies to US sites, but since a gigantic chunk of sites are hosted in the US, it would effect everybody. For example, say you guys are EU folks, and you posted lots of not-okay content here, on a US site. We could technically get shut down, and then you (in Europe) would suffer the loss of your favorite site ever.