There's some great work being done with mapster's wiki, but there's a lot of duplication with it and GalaxyWiki.Net. In fact, I saw at least one article here that was a direct copy/paste of a GWN (galaxywiki.net) article :P Basically, I'd like to offer mapster the chance to become part of GWN. Instead of having two or more wikis and knowledge bases to draw from, we could all work together on ONE wiki, which isn't affiliated with any one particular site.
The basic idea of GWN is just that: to have one knowledgebase that many sites add to. Currently, udmod, sc2mod, and staredit.net are part of the network, with hiveworkshop most likely going to join in the near future. If mapster, sc2c, and thehelper also joined, then there'd be one knowledge base for the entire StarCraft II community, instead of the current splitting.
Whaddaya think, would you want to become a part of this or not? If not that's fine, but it'd be great for the Starcraft II community if you joined with GWN.
What do you mean by unitified format? All the pages would be on www.galaxywiki.net with the mediawiki format, ifthat's what you mean.
I can't find the article that was a direct copy paste, it was a month ago so maybe it's been replaced with original content.
I think the quality of GWN is in general as good as mapster's article quality ;0 and it wouldn't be practical for all these sites to link to mapster. See, there's the same problem: you want to have everyone go to mapster for SCII, as does every other SCII mapping site. The idea behind GWN is to unify people instead of having 6 or 8 different sites all trying to beat each other at the same thing. You keep your community, but get the knowledgebase of all the communities.
I looked at several articles on your wiki and most only give a single rather uninformative sentence about each data type and the various sub types. The mapster wiki at least gives details as to what each field does making it easier for people unfamiliar with data type to understand how to use it. As far as abilities, effects, actors and behaviors the mapster wiki seems to have equal if not greater content. Galaxywiki also seems to have alot of uninformative trivia such as listing pre-existing stuff that only varies by a single field eg. the weapon attachments.
As your site is new I will not condemn it but unless it makes major progress fast, I will not support a collaboration.
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A "lot" of duplication but only provide one example and also include in your posts that "you don't know if there's more"
That's a lot of assumptions don't you think?
And obviously there's going to be way more duplications, specially the ones payne kept copy pasting when GWN was just starting *cough*justsayin'*cough*
But yeah, overall, you're a new site, don't come talking like you're already the top SC2 site and that mapster should join you already, that's comon sense logic that no one in here will appreciate it :P
Duplication as in the same subjects being covered. As far as I know there's just that one article that's actually a direct duplication.
I wasn't trying to sound like GWN is the top SCII site. Even though it isn't, that isn't a reason for mapster to join it. It isn't competing with any of the communities, it merely provides an intercommunity knowledge base. I feel that mapster could benefit from it, and that GWN could benefit from mapster, so it's a winwin situation.
I suppose it's a possibility, though something i'd have to think long and hard about. I don't like the idea of forcing people elsewhere when I already have most of the information, and more, already on this website. So people have to come here anyway. It'd make more sense for you all to come and contribute on this wiki, as it has a wealth of information as is.
I looked at several articles on your wiki and most only give a single rather uninformative sentence about each data type and the various sub types. The mapster wiki at least gives details as to what each field does making it easier for people unfamiliar with data type to understand how to use it. As far as abilities, effects, actors and behaviors the mapster wiki seems to have equal if not greater content. Galaxywiki also seems to have alot of uninformative trivia such as listing pre-existing stuff that only varies by a single field eg. the weapon attachments.
As your site is new I will not condemn it but unless it makes major progress fast, I will not support a collaboration.
The funny thing about it being a Wiki is that anyone can update it and make it better. That would be the point of this. We do have some articles that lack details, but we also do have a lot of thorough articles as well. I think that mostly depends on who has written them, to be honest. The "uninformative trivia" is for reference, which is why it would be in the "Reference" category. Because it is all user-generated and more people visit to learn rather than contribute, of course our supply of articles is lacking at the moment. We are not trying to be better than SC2Mapster, and this is not supposed to be a pissing contest in any way.
We have no plans of adding the stuff from GWN to Mapster's wiki solely because we wanted to make an impartial database for everyone to contribute to. SEN had its own wiki, UDMod had its own, and SC2Mod had its own, but we all decided to merge them into one without it being labeled as one community's resource. I can't stress it enough, the point of GalaxyWiki is not to advertise a community, per se, but to just create one neutral database for everything relating to SC2 mapmaking. We do list the main communities who have created articles for the wiki, but mainly because they use it as their sole wiki. Even though I doubt SC2Mapster will join in on this, that same treatment would occur as well.
I suppose it's a possibility, though something i'd have to think long and hard about. I don't like the idea of forcing people elsewhere when I already have most of the information, and more, already on this website. So people have to come here anyway. It'd make more sense for you all to come and contribute on this wiki, as it has a wealth of information as is.
I have to agree with this, we have a good deal "quality" information put up and on this site already.
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We have no plans of adding the stuff from GWN to Mapster's wiki solely because we wanted to make an impartial database for everyone to contribute to. SEN had its own wiki, UDMod had its own, and SC2Mod had its own, but we all decided to merge them into one without it being labeled as one community's resource. I can't stress it enough, the point of GalaxyWiki is not to advertise a community, per se, but to just create one neutral database for everything relating to SC2 mapmaking. We do list the main communities who have created articles for the wiki, but mainly because they use it as their sole wiki. Even though I doubt SC2Mapster will join in on this, that same treatment would occur as well.
I agree, and the reason behind doing that was because SEN, UDM, and SC2Mod are all tiny communities. Mapster is the biggest community, you'd be stubborn to disagree, and already has a Wiki that is bigger than GWN. It's a cool idea, but as I see it, Mapster doesn't have anything to gain from using a third party wiki. As it is, the on-site wiki is very closely integrated into everything else in the site's software. Moving to a third party site, where I do not even have administrative access, wouldn't be logical.
Is there a reason GWN just doesn't redirect people here. Considering there is more information here between the forums/ projects/ and wiki?
Not to mention the formatting on GWN's wiki is terribad it blinds me trying to read it.
I think it would be most productive to get people using and contributing to GWN over here on mapster so we can grow the community further.
We do have articles that link to SC2Mapster in a "See also" fashion, but we're trying to avoid linking to one community's wiki as that then seems to defeat the purpose of all of us having our own SC2 communities. Sixen is right in saying SEN is mostly dedicated to SC1, but SEN has SC2 sections because there are members there who know the SC2 editor really well and don't want to have to join a new community to help out. That may not mean much to you guys or it may seem like a dumb concept, but it means a lot to the smaller SC2 communities who would rather keep doing what they're doing than join SC2Mapster. GalaxyWiki.net is supposed to just be a reference for all of us to link to without feeling like we're sending our members off to register somewhere else. The goal originally was to just make an independent wiki for anyone and everyone to enjoy, regardless of what community you associate yourself with.
You guys gain nothing from joining GWN, that's easy enough to recognize. We just figured we'd put the offer out there. Either way we'll still keep doing what we're doing with GWN, and I'll say this again, we are not trying to make this some sort of competition.
Also, the formatting looks fine to us, but seeing as it is a wiki and can have multiple skins, that shouldn't make much of a difference. If you're complaining about MediaWiki's formatting, on the other hand, then that's an issue with Wikipedia's code rather than something we are doing.
nah just dont like the skin.... all white text on grey back ground makes it hard for me to keep track of where I am on the wiki.
I have been thinking about changing the header colors on the wiki so it isn't a wall of white, but for the most part we don't mind it so much. The white text on gray background seems to work for SC2Mapster pretty well, too. :)
Just saying .... your guy's wiki has everything colored white.
where as ours has this god awful orange in between the white text. But it grows on ya.
But seriously anybody who is looking for good sc2 editor info should be heading over here to search the forums.
The wiki is a nice reference but the amount of good information in the forums here is truly a valued resource.
The IRC channel is also extremely useful. I would suggest you guys link to the SC2mapster IRC channel if you are truly trying to improve the SC2 modding community.
Just saying .... your guy's wiki has everything colored white.
where as ours has this god awful orange in between the white text. But it grows on ya.
But seriously anybody who is looking for good sc2 editor info should be heading over here to search the forums.
The wiki is a nice reference but the amount of good information in the forums here is truly a valued resource.
The IRC channel is also extremely useful. I would suggest you guys link to the SC2mapster IRC channel if you are truly trying to improve the SC2 modding community.
No offence, but as devlin has already said, we don't want to go to mapster for everything. And we're not the only ones; the smaller sites and non-mapster sites generally stay alive because quite simply, they don't want to go to mapster. And you don't wantto go to them, and that's fine. GWN is supposed to remedy the fragmentation of the SCII mapping sites, and just saying GO TO MAPSTER FORUMS WIKI AND IRCFOR EVERYTHING OLOL is not helping that fragmentation at all.
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There's some great work being done with mapster's wiki, but there's a lot of duplication with it and GalaxyWiki.Net. In fact, I saw at least one article here that was a direct copy/paste of a GWN (galaxywiki.net) article :P Basically, I'd like to offer mapster the chance to become part of GWN. Instead of having two or more wikis and knowledge bases to draw from, we could all work together on ONE wiki, which isn't affiliated with any one particular site.
The basic idea of GWN is just that: to have one knowledgebase that many sites add to. Currently, udmod, sc2mod, and staredit.net are part of the network, with hiveworkshop most likely going to join in the near future. If mapster, sc2c, and thehelper also joined, then there'd be one knowledge base for the entire StarCraft II community, instead of the current splitting.
Whaddaya think, would you want to become a part of this or not? If not that's fine, but it'd be great for the Starcraft II community if you joined with GWN.
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ModeratorsWe would have to agree on a unitifed format. Also can you name the article that was just a copy and paste?
Having looked at the current content of your wiki and the quality of the articles, if anything you should join us!
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https://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/179654-data-actor-events-message-texture-select-by-id
https://media.forgecdn.net/attachments/187/40/Screenshot2011-04-17_09_16_21.jpg
What do you mean by unitified format? All the pages would be on www.galaxywiki.net with the mediawiki format, ifthat's what you mean. I can't find the article that was a direct copy paste, it was a month ago so maybe it's been replaced with original content.
I think the quality of GWN is in general as good as mapster's article quality ;0 and it wouldn't be practical for all these sites to link to mapster. See, there's the same problem: you want to have everyone go to mapster for SCII, as does every other SCII mapping site. The idea behind GWN is to unify people instead of having 6 or 8 different sites all trying to beat each other at the same thing. You keep your community, but get the knowledgebase of all the communities.
Offtopic: are you Dr Supergood from hive?
EDIT Here is the article http://wiki.sc2mapster.com/galaxy/map/map-properties/loading-screen/ copied from http://www.galaxywiki.net/index.php?title=Map_Loading_Screen There may be more, I haven't seen all of mapster's articles.
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ModeratorsNo he is my brother.
I looked at several articles on your wiki and most only give a single rather uninformative sentence about each data type and the various sub types. The mapster wiki at least gives details as to what each field does making it easier for people unfamiliar with data type to understand how to use it. As far as abilities, effects, actors and behaviors the mapster wiki seems to have equal if not greater content. Galaxywiki also seems to have alot of uninformative trivia such as listing pre-existing stuff that only varies by a single field eg. the weapon attachments.
As your site is new I will not condemn it but unless it makes major progress fast, I will not support a collaboration.
Contribute to the wiki (Wiki button at top of page) Considered easy altering of the unit textures?
https://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/179654-data-actor-events-message-texture-select-by-id
https://media.forgecdn.net/attachments/187/40/Screenshot2011-04-17_09_16_21.jpg
A "lot" of duplication but only provide one example and also include in your posts that "you don't know if there's more"
That's a lot of assumptions don't you think? And obviously there's going to be way more duplications, specially the ones payne kept copy pasting when GWN was just starting *cough*justsayin'*cough*
But yeah, overall, you're a new site, don't come talking like you're already the top SC2 site and that mapster should join you already, that's comon sense logic that no one in here will appreciate it :P
Duplication as in the same subjects being covered. As far as I know there's just that one article that's actually a direct duplication.
I wasn't trying to sound like GWN is the top SCII site. Even though it isn't, that isn't a reason for mapster to join it. It isn't competing with any of the communities, it merely provides an intercommunity knowledge base. I feel that mapster could benefit from it, and that GWN could benefit from mapster, so it's a winwin situation.
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ModeratorsI suppose it's a possibility, though something i'd have to think long and hard about. I don't like the idea of forcing people elsewhere when I already have most of the information, and more, already on this website. So people have to come here anyway. It'd make more sense for you all to come and contribute on this wiki, as it has a wealth of information as is.
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Curse PremiumThe funny thing about it being a Wiki is that anyone can update it and make it better. That would be the point of this. We do have some articles that lack details, but we also do have a lot of thorough articles as well. I think that mostly depends on who has written them, to be honest. The "uninformative trivia" is for reference, which is why it would be in the "Reference" category. Because it is all user-generated and more people visit to learn rather than contribute, of course our supply of articles is lacking at the moment. We are not trying to be better than SC2Mapster, and this is not supposed to be a pissing contest in any way.
We have no plans of adding the stuff from GWN to Mapster's wiki solely because we wanted to make an impartial database for everyone to contribute to. SEN had its own wiki, UDMod had its own, and SC2Mod had its own, but we all decided to merge them into one without it being labeled as one community's resource. I can't stress it enough, the point of GalaxyWiki is not to advertise a community, per se, but to just create one neutral database for everything relating to SC2 mapmaking. We do list the main communities who have created articles for the wiki, but mainly because they use it as their sole wiki. Even though I doubt SC2Mapster will join in on this, that same treatment would occur as well.
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I have to agree with this, we have a good deal "quality" information put up and on this site already.
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ModeratorsI agree, and the reason behind doing that was because SEN, UDM, and SC2Mod are all tiny communities. Mapster is the biggest community, you'd be stubborn to disagree, and already has a Wiki that is bigger than GWN. It's a cool idea, but as I see it, Mapster doesn't have anything to gain from using a third party wiki. As it is, the on-site wiki is very closely integrated into everything else in the site's software. Moving to a third party site, where I do not even have administrative access, wouldn't be logical.
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Curse PremiumFor the record, admins from each community involved have Admin access to GWN. :D
I figured you guys were fine as is, but we thought we'd make the offer anyway.
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Is there a reason GWN just doesn't redirect people here. Considering there is more information here between the forums/ projects/ and wiki?
Not to mention the formatting on GWN's wiki is terribad it blinds me trying to read it.
I think it would be most productive to get people using and contributing to GWN over here on mapster so we can grow the community further.
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Contribute to the wiki (Wiki button at top of page) Considered easy altering of the unit textures?
https://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/179654-data-actor-events-message-texture-select-by-id
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Curse PremiumWe do have articles that link to SC2Mapster in a "See also" fashion, but we're trying to avoid linking to one community's wiki as that then seems to defeat the purpose of all of us having our own SC2 communities. Sixen is right in saying SEN is mostly dedicated to SC1, but SEN has SC2 sections because there are members there who know the SC2 editor really well and don't want to have to join a new community to help out. That may not mean much to you guys or it may seem like a dumb concept, but it means a lot to the smaller SC2 communities who would rather keep doing what they're doing than join SC2Mapster. GalaxyWiki.net is supposed to just be a reference for all of us to link to without feeling like we're sending our members off to register somewhere else. The goal originally was to just make an independent wiki for anyone and everyone to enjoy, regardless of what community you associate yourself with.
You guys gain nothing from joining GWN, that's easy enough to recognize. We just figured we'd put the offer out there. Either way we'll still keep doing what we're doing with GWN, and I'll say this again, we are not trying to make this some sort of competition.
Also, the formatting looks fine to us, but seeing as it is a wiki and can have multiple skins, that shouldn't make much of a difference. If you're complaining about MediaWiki's formatting, on the other hand, then that's an issue with Wikipedia's code rather than something we are doing.
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nah just dont like the skin.... all white text on grey back ground makes it hard for me to keep track of where I am on the wiki.
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Curse PremiumI have been thinking about changing the header colors on the wiki so it isn't a wall of white, but for the most part we don't mind it so much. The white text on gray background seems to work for SC2Mapster pretty well, too. :)
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Just saying .... your guy's wiki has everything colored white.
where as ours has this god awful orange in between the white text. But it grows on ya.
But seriously anybody who is looking for good sc2 editor info should be heading over here to search the forums.
The wiki is a nice reference but the amount of good information in the forums here is truly a valued resource.
The IRC channel is also extremely useful. I would suggest you guys link to the SC2mapster IRC channel if you are truly trying to improve the SC2 modding community.
No offence, but as devlin has already said, we don't want to go to mapster for everything. And we're not the only ones; the smaller sites and non-mapster sites generally stay alive because quite simply, they don't want to go to mapster. And you don't wantto go to them, and that's fine. GWN is supposed to remedy the fragmentation of the SCII mapping sites, and just saying GO TO MAPSTER FORUMS WIKI AND IRCFOR EVERYTHING OLOL is not helping that fragmentation at all.