No offence, but as devlin has already said, we don't want to go to mapster for everything. And we're not the only ones; the smaller sites and non-mapster sites generally stay alive because quite simply, they don't want to go to mapster. And you don't wantto go to them, and that's fine. GWN is supposed to remedy the fragmentation of the SCII mapping sites, and just saying GO TO MAPSTER FORUMS WIKI AND IRCFOR EVERYTHING OLOL is not helping that fragmentation at all.
So basically, the problem is that everyone wants to have their own community "be the best" and they do not want to "lose" to Mapster. The fact of the matter is, you go to Mapster forums, wiki, and IRC for everything. And the only reason not to is because you want your own website for whatever reason. I just phale to see why there needs to be 4 tiny mapping communities as well as Mapster after what you just said, Jack.
Speaking for SEN for a moment, its not that we want to be the best, we just want to continue to be SEN. We already know SC2Mapster is better, but we'd still like to keep our SC2 forums going to field questions that our existing members have, so they don't feel like they have to join a new community to get answers. I'm sure that's how it is with the guys at SC2Mod, and Cloud at UDMod. Of course we all check SC2M daily, but we're happy having our own set of forums to go to and discuss things.
As for the information question, the idea of the GWN site came up because we actually didn't want to take articles from other sites (despite what our early wiki may have looked like) when building our wiki at SEN. Instead, we approached other sites to see if maybe they'd want to pool resources together to start up a wiki site with no community attached per se (i.e. it wouldn't be "StarEdit.net's GalaxyWiki" or anything). This idea seemed to work for a few other sites, and we went with it. Now we all link tot he same place and contribute to the same place, without feeling like we're making people join a different community in the process.
This idea seemed to work for a few other sites, and we went with it. Now we all link tot he same place and contribute to the same place, without feeling like we're making people join a different community in the process.
Except, it is a new community, people need to create a brand new account there. Not only that, but GWN is essentially the SEN wiki.
Why wouldn't you go to sc2mapster to see if there is useful information.
Its plain ignorant not to.
I look on the other sites for information if its not on sc2mapster. But generally I find nothing note worthy.
Or I find terribad solutions using triggers.....
Not to mention just about everybody and their mother has a curse account.....
No offense to the other sites and all..... I just think your hampering the SC2 modding community by re-enforcing peoples qualms about sc2mapster.
Its a rather nice place for Sc2 stuff if you ask me. And if your serious about Sc2 modding you should really make an account. Hell you dont even need an account to use it, nor do you need an account for the irc.
I think diversity is necessary, it promotes growth while conformity promotes complacency.
On a less philosophical note, I think Sixen makes a good argument here:
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I agree, and the reason behind doing that was because SEN, UDM, and SC2Mod are all tiny communities. Mapster is the biggest community, you'd be stubborn to disagree, and already has a Wiki that is bigger than GWN. It's a cool idea, but as I see it, Mapster doesn't have anything to gain from using a third party wiki. As it is, the on-site wiki is very closely integrated into everything else in the site's software.
Except, it is a new community, people need to create a brand new account there. Not only that, but GWN is essentially the SEN wiki.
They need to create an account only because the wiki gets spammed in seemingly random spurts, about once a month. Before that, we allowed for anonymous edits.
And I don't really see it as SEN's wiki. Even though I've written all my articles on there from scratch, and I'm sure the same goes for some other SEN members, we do have a lot of articles from other community members. All the Andromeda documentation is from SCwe needed a foundation and none of the other sites used MediaWiki. Soon after, we began the process of porting everything over from the existing wikis from UDMod and SC2Mod. Just because Jack and I update the thing like crazy doesn't make it the SEN wiki.
So basically, the problem is that everyone wants to have their own community "be the best" and they do not want to "lose" to Mapster. The fact of the matter is, you go to Mapster forums, wiki, and IRC for everything. And the only reason not to is because you want your own website for whatever reason. I just phale to see why there needs to be 4 tiny mapping communities as well as Mapster after what you just said, Jack.
Besides, you're already here.
No, I want every community to be its own community. And I no longer go to mapster for everything; the most useful thing on mapster for me now is the news feed :P GWN, SEN, udmod, and google answers everything else I need, or my own knowledge.
SEN, udmod, and hive are not tiny. Between them all there's something like 55000 members. Maybe they don't all map in SCII but I'd say there's still a good 250-300 decent-skilled mappers in those communities, not including newbs. In the relatively small starcraft 2 mapping community, this is not an insignificant number.
But oh yeah, I'm not here to say my epeen > your epeen ;o
Anyway, I guess that's a no for now from mapster. No worries, and no need to discuss this farther methinks.
I can't seem to find it.. Which must mean I'm either blind, or its just not in a very obvious place. Could you please post the link here? I honestly preferred the old page, its much easier to navigate. I've no idea who decided it was a good idea to change the layout to what it is now.
I'm assuming this was the page you were referring to.
no the page before that recent changes one. just click on a recently updated wiki article then click the galaxy in the link like Galaxy / Data / Terrain Texture Sets and that also gets you to the main page.
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Contribute to the wiki (Wiki button at top of page) Considered easy altering of the unit textures?
So basically, the problem is that everyone wants to have their own community "be the best" and they do not want to "lose" to Mapster. The fact of the matter is, you go to Mapster forums, wiki, and IRC for everything. And the only reason not to is because you want your own website for whatever reason. I just phale to see why there needs to be 4 tiny mapping communities as well as Mapster after what you just said, Jack.
Besides, you're already here.
Speaking for SEN for a moment, its not that we want to be the best, we just want to continue to be SEN. We already know SC2Mapster is better, but we'd still like to keep our SC2 forums going to field questions that our existing members have, so they don't feel like they have to join a new community to get answers. I'm sure that's how it is with the guys at SC2Mod, and Cloud at UDMod. Of course we all check SC2M daily, but we're happy having our own set of forums to go to and discuss things.
As for the information question, the idea of the GWN site came up because we actually didn't want to take articles from other sites (despite what our early wiki may have looked like) when building our wiki at SEN. Instead, we approached other sites to see if maybe they'd want to pool resources together to start up a wiki site with no community attached per se (i.e. it wouldn't be "StarEdit.net's GalaxyWiki" or anything). This idea seemed to work for a few other sites, and we went with it. Now we all link tot he same place and contribute to the same place, without feeling like we're making people join a different community in the process.
EDIT: You edited your post, Sixen. :( :(
Administrator of Staredit.net and GalaxyWiki.net
Except, it is a new community, people need to create a brand new account there. Not only that, but GWN is essentially the SEN wiki.
Yeah, I reread what I originally wrote and thought some people may misunderstand and then flame wars would ensue.
@JackRCDF: Go
why would you want the fragmentation?
Why wouldn't you go to sc2mapster to see if there is useful information.
Its plain ignorant not to.
I look on the other sites for information if its not on sc2mapster. But generally I find nothing note worthy.
Or I find terribad solutions using triggers.....
Not to mention just about everybody and their mother has a curse account.....
No offense to the other sites and all..... I just think your hampering the SC2 modding community by re-enforcing peoples qualms about sc2mapster.
Its a rather nice place for Sc2 stuff if you ask me. And if your serious about Sc2 modding you should really make an account. Hell you dont even need an account to use it, nor do you need an account for the irc.
I think diversity is necessary, it promotes growth while conformity promotes complacency.
On a less philosophical note, I think Sixen makes a good argument here:
They need to create an account only because the wiki gets spammed in seemingly random spurts, about once a month. Before that, we allowed for anonymous edits.
And I don't really see it as SEN's wiki. Even though I've written all my articles on there from scratch, and I'm sure the same goes for some other SEN members, we do have a lot of articles from other community members. All the Andromeda documentation is from SCwe needed a foundation and none of the other sites used MediaWiki. Soon after, we began the process of porting everything over from the existing wikis from UDMod and SC2Mod. Just because Jack and I update the thing like crazy doesn't make it the SEN wiki.
Administrator of Staredit.net and GalaxyWiki.net
No, I want every community to be its own community. And I no longer go to mapster for everything; the most useful thing on mapster for me now is the news feed :P GWN, SEN, udmod, and google answers everything else I need, or my own knowledge.
SEN, udmod, and hive are not tiny. Between them all there's something like 55000 members. Maybe they don't all map in SCII but I'd say there's still a good 250-300 decent-skilled mappers in those communities, not including newbs. In the relatively small starcraft 2 mapping community, this is not an insignificant number.
But oh yeah, I'm not here to say my epeen > your epeen ;o
Anyway, I guess that's a no for now from mapster. No worries, and no need to discuss this farther methinks.
Is it just me or did the wiki main page just vanish???
The "Galaxy API" tab. I don't see it at all on the header.
It is now called wiki and links to the changelog. Just click on the most recently altered page and then click the galaxy link from there.
Contribute to the wiki (Wiki button at top of page) Considered easy altering of the unit textures?
https://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/179654-data-actor-events-message-texture-select-by-id
https://media.forgecdn.net/attachments/187/40/Screenshot2011-04-17_09_16_21.jpg
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I can't seem to find it.. Which must mean I'm either blind, or its just not in a very obvious place. Could you please post the link here? I honestly preferred the old page, its much easier to navigate. I've no idea who decided it was a good idea to change the layout to what it is now.
I'm assuming this was the page you were referring to.
http://wiki.sc2mapster.com/recent-changes/
A CTRL+F did not highlight the word Galaxy anywhere.
Edit: I found it here, http://wiki.sc2mapster.com/galaxy/main-page/
for anyone else facing the same problem.
no the page before that recent changes one. just click on a recently updated wiki article then click the galaxy in the link like Galaxy / Data / Terrain Texture Sets and that also gets you to the main page.
Contribute to the wiki (Wiki button at top of page) Considered easy altering of the unit textures?
https://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/179654-data-actor-events-message-texture-select-by-id
https://media.forgecdn.net/attachments/187/40/Screenshot2011-04-17_09_16_21.jpg
Yeah, it's http://wiki.sc2mapster.com/galaxy/main-page/ - they screwed up the link, I'll get 'em to fix it.
Already pmed the moderator for it.
Contribute to the wiki (Wiki button at top of page) Considered easy altering of the unit textures?
https://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/179654-data-actor-events-message-texture-select-by-id
https://media.forgecdn.net/attachments/187/40/Screenshot2011-04-17_09_16_21.jpg