@RodrigoAlves: Go Your graphic is interesting, but wrong. True happiness is way easier when you don't have wisdom, so the wisdom axis should be backwards.
I completely disagree. What happens, if you look at my graph, is that people from the "fake happiness" mountain can only see the big hole of despair that the path to wisdom brings, but there's a much bigger happiness after that whole (for those who get enough power to climb that big mountain, that's where love becomes important because you can't do it by yourself. But face it, to climb that is too hard and most people end up breaking their hearts and falling into that hole, which is a much bigger depression than before. Why not just stay at the small mountain and be what people call "happy?" It's much EASIER).
Yes, wisdom brings more pain and more "intensity" (as you can see the sin graph is becoming more and more intense), but pain and suffering are very distinct things.
Even if `Multiverse` theory is argued to created the big-bang, the question still arises `What created the Multiverse/s`?. It all divides into something omnipotent and beyond imagination and understanding.
Is there a sufficient correlation between thoughts on the state of mortality and happiness?
There's a way too much variables to get a good view of it. Some people might have an idea of immortality as a way to go to Hell and might get even more depressed with that. And in general, it's people with low IQ that has a stronger blind faith, and this blind faith is an excuse for them to be racist, and they end up even more depressed. I drew a graph showing how I see it (and by the graph, you can see that correlations won't help at all).
No. just take some really hardcore drugs and you will be the happiest man on the Earth.
(I always find people narrow minded, who say their aim is to be happy. For example I find programing some stuff quite usefull, but it doesnt makes me happy.)
Drugs perhaps would cause a great joy, but that's not happiness.
I don't think you can be truly happy if at the same moment you've got a lingering realization of mortality floating around. You can't feel alright while thinking "but I will die" at the same time.
That's what I'm starting to think. Being a future-aimed person like me that likes to do things thinking on the long run, it is hard to calculate a good long-run when death is on the way.
IF the bible is the 100% accurate word of God(Which I believe it is), then it makes logical sense to pause and at least test/study/analyse it as best as possible for one`s own sake.
@RodrigoAlves: Go Dam spelling correction "consciousness"
Anyway, this would mean with end up with a consciousness, which is unresetable...
I will just stick to that we start with an empty brain designed by the genetic code which is combined from my ancestors and mutated by radiation. And this unpredictable hardware is than filled up with information from its environment, which could result in selfawareness/consciousness. This just way more beautifully for me, than having constants which eventually determines me or even completely valuates the data which is coming from my brain/hardware.
Computers are significantly meaningless without internet connection.
Perhaps we don't die, but just get offline :P. I gotta open the Counter-Strike church. When we die, we become a free camera until it's time for us to respawn.
Its hard to think like that, specially with a mind which writes programs. Why than genetic code doesnt transfers conciseness? And we start with a empty brain, which we have to fill up.
I think its like windows. When it gets filled up with shit, it breaks down in its complexness and can no longer function (vista).
Maybe the conscience isn't inside the brain and our brain just translates stimuli from the immaterial to the material (if this is true, we could perhaps make a machine that does the same). One of the biggest human mistakes - acording to psychology - is how we attribute cause and effect for every correlation. We see part of our brain being fired when we remember something and we are already assuming that there's the place where memory is stored. Correlation does not imply causation. But, assuming the conscience is indeed outside the brain, that gives great hope for an eternal life. And, we know already that life is a way too much complex than the operational system in our computer. I bet there's a lot of garbage collectors out there. Perhaps when we are born, we are just formatting our harddrive! :P
Imagine if life is the time that takes for our system to format...
Imagine if when we sleep, we're just loading the day of tomorrow... Or maybe you're sleeping right now and we are all a creation of your mind (god, I can't believe I created the popularity system, I'm gonna kill myself).
With that said, we need to be argueing definitions here first. What classifies as 'significantly meaningful', Rodrigo? If that means "have some kind of impact on the whole universe", then no, that probably wouldn't really be possible for us at the moment without an afterlife. If it means "have impact on other people", then it would be. If it means "fulfilling to yourself", then it'd be possible as well.
Close to your "fulfilling to youself" definition. It means that it doesn't stop us to be the happiest person on the planet.
Do all the happiest people on Earth believe they are immortal? Is that belief affecting their happiness?
Eventually I think any kind of immortal consciousness will be doomed by the fact that it cant totally renew itself...
Think of consciousness as money. If we are immortal, does that mean we are doomed to be poor? No. More we live, more we learn and can get better jobs and earn more money. We do spend a lot of money (mistakes), but we can always pay our old debts. You're right, we can't renew ourselves. That means we can't change our beginning, but we can always make a new end (exept Blizzard, that one is doomed).
You know way back when, here in Vancouver, we took some of New York's gray/black squirrels as a gift. But when those squirrels came here they basically overran our brown squirrels and now you can almost never see brown ones :O
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Can you guys stop arguing about what religion is right? My question had nothing to do with religion. :(
It doesn't matter if immortality is real or not as long as you believe it is. In my inner world, I make the rules.
I just asked if we need to believe we are immortal to achieve true happiness.
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I completely disagree. What happens, if you look at my graph, is that people from the "fake happiness" mountain can only see the big hole of despair that the path to wisdom brings, but there's a much bigger happiness after that whole (for those who get enough power to climb that big mountain, that's where love becomes important because you can't do it by yourself. But face it, to climb that is too hard and most people end up breaking their hearts and falling into that hole, which is a much bigger depression than before. Why not just stay at the small mountain and be what people call "happy?" It's much EASIER).
Yes, wisdom brings more pain and more "intensity" (as you can see the sin graph is becoming more and more intense), but pain and suffering are very distinct things.
If only I could bring half of those people to my debates game... :(
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I wrote an explanation for that here: http:redd.it/ril3c
Wisdom would teach that horrible things never bring a consistent happiness.
There's a way too much variables to get a good view of it. Some people might have an idea of immortality as a way to go to Hell and might get even more depressed with that. And in general, it's people with low IQ that has a stronger blind faith, and this blind faith is an excuse for them to be racist, and they end up even more depressed. I drew a graph showing how I see it (and by the graph, you can see that correlations won't help at all).
THAT'S HOW I IMAGINE IT
Drugs perhaps would cause a great joy, but that's not happiness.
That's what I'm starting to think. Being a future-aimed person like me that likes to do things thinking on the long run, it is hard to calculate a good long-run when death is on the way.
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https://www.chatroomcontest.com
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All these theories about the universe still don't answer my question. Do I have to think I'm immortal in order to be the happiest man on Earth?
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@sigmapl: Go
There's the Reddit Timeline.
The Google NASCAR racing car that drives itself http://www.google.com/racing/
And now you can make your own weather :P
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Computers are significantly meaningless without internet connection.
Perhaps we don't die, but just get offline :P. I gotta open the Counter-Strike church. When we die, we become a free camera until it's time for us to respawn.
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Maybe the conscience isn't inside the brain and our brain just translates stimuli from the immaterial to the material (if this is true, we could perhaps make a machine that does the same). One of the biggest human mistakes - acording to psychology - is how we attribute cause and effect for every correlation. We see part of our brain being fired when we remember something and we are already assuming that there's the place where memory is stored. Correlation does not imply causation. But, assuming the conscience is indeed outside the brain, that gives great hope for an eternal life. And, we know already that life is a way too much complex than the operational system in our computer. I bet there's a lot of garbage collectors out there. Perhaps when we are born, we are just formatting our harddrive! :P
Imagine if life is the time that takes for our system to format... Imagine if when we sleep, we're just loading the day of tomorrow... Or maybe you're sleeping right now and we are all a creation of your mind (god, I can't believe I created the popularity system, I'm gonna kill myself).
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Wow. Yesterday there were 5 posts. Today this place looks like School of Athens!
Close to your "fulfilling to youself" definition. It means that it doesn't stop us to be the happiest person on the planet.
Do all the happiest people on Earth believe they are immortal? Is that belief affecting their happiness?
Being a famous atheist does not fit into my definition of "significantly meaningful" (read above).
Think of consciousness as money. If we are immortal, does that mean we are doomed to be poor? No. More we live, more we learn and can get better jobs and earn more money. We do spend a lot of money (mistakes), but we can always pay our old debts. You're right, we can't renew ourselves. That means we can't change our beginning, but we can always make a new end (exept Blizzard, that one is doomed).
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But... back to the main question... is it possible to have a significantly meaningful life if you believe you will stop existing at any time from now?
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No problem. We can always paint them brown :)
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@Taintedwisp: Go
Why people on US like shooting stuff?
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@Nebuli2: Go
It could be as your life, or even more so.
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I saw a squirrel here in Vancouver today :)