Lost to dust and time, most likely. I've never seen either uploaded here to mapster, and Alley's been specific when I asked about some older models, if they never made it here to Mapster, they simply aren't anywhere to grab. May as well not exist anymore.
Hey Alley, I was looking through the old pages of this, and I saw your Tagal stuff. I'm curious if you'd be willing to release those models if you still have them? I'd love to use them in my big project that's been months in the works of just creating the mods. I'm in desperate need of some more unique models to help diversify the visuals.