Here's a tip I learned during the old WarCraft III days: if you're going to make cliffs that steep, use the smooth brush on them at least once. The untouched steepness just always feels off. I quite like the terrain otherwise!
The color palette you've used is what makes this terrain, I feel. My only issue is that it is very undefined; with so many floating objects everywhere, it's hard to see exactly what I'm looking at. This makes it less impressive as a terrain, even if it's very aesthetically pleasing. Maybe it's worth turning those two zig-zaggy cliffs into full platforms and perhaps doing... something with that big doodad in the top left corner. Also, the floating circle in the middle could probably be removed without detracting from the whole.
To back up my claim on how easy it is to participate in this one, I've taken a small hour to come up with a simple scene of my own: Artanis and Raynor setting up a defense against an incoming attack on a jungley planet. Not all that happy with it, but while it isn't good, I suppose it also isn't bad. This ended up being an even larger scene than I had in mind.
After being inspired by one of JayBorino's posts in the previous WTE, I came up with a theme I figured will appeal to a bunch of you: "Making a Scene". What does this mean? Simple: for this exercise you're required to terrain a small scene rather than a large landscape. Think a Terran colonist in front of her newly founded home, or a Zergling bursting out of an egg at a Hatchery - that level of detail. As such, the restriction for this exercise is that the map you locate your scene in has to be the smallest possible (regular) size; 32x32. The result of this is that the actual creation of the terrain should take at most a minute or ten, allowing anybody with some time to spare to step in. Thinking your scene through and optimizing the limited space will be the challenge for the veterans.
There is a 'create new poll' option, but I don't have the permission to use that - as is of course, tradition. Which means that either I constantly edit/update this poll, or I delete it and we have nothing left.
So yes; if we want to save the older poll results, we'll need a thread or such to maintain those things.
Edit: It's actually pretty shit I am simply restricted from adding a new poll; I can actually see all the older polls, all the way back to 2008 when apparently all polls were WoW-themed?
But anyway, thanks for actually doing your job unlike Moz.
God, you are one heavily autistic drab who does not know when to let up, aren't you? I suppose I should've locked your thread to save us all from the sad display of you trying to save face with more non-arguments. I'm literally getting PM's from people telling me not to engage you further because all your posts just devolve into nonsense, illogical bickering, and that it's not worth it. The issue with that is that even though I do not care about you personally, it gets under my skin that people like you get to walk around and continue to both think and act like they are amazing while everybody else is stupid. I suppose at this point all I can do is sincerely hope that you're not an adult.
But hey: let me both do you a favor and my job, then.
Oh damn, I am shaking in my fucking boots. Holy shit, the sheer power of your arguments blew me away there and made me see how you right you actually are!
But wait: there weren't actually any arguments, you just wrote another wall of the same pointless drivel you wrote before!
I'd reply in detail, but I don't think what you wrote warrants the effort anymore. I genuinely wouldn't know where to start because you aren't trying to discuss anything; you're simply trying to shout at your loudest that you are right. I could quote my entire previous post in a reply to what you just posted, as all the points I made there still stand. Pretty much every single line of your text is a response to me saying "X is wrong, because Y" along the lines of "You're wrong, because X". You straight up don't address most of my arguments. You're literally replying to me saying "telling someone to buy a new PC has some value because X" by saying "telling somone to buy a new PC has no value". Good job. Even aside from the part where you basically admitted that you made a shit post, you've reached the point where instead of grasping at straws, you're eagerly staring at them from another dimension.
You haven't changed a bit, which I suppose is what I could've expected - it's how the world works for most. You still think I am the one 'giving you shit' when you are dead pan wrong, not providing any logical arguments to back up anything to the contrary, most of your reply consists of "lol but it didn't answer my question", and are acting like some wrongfully accosted zealot over it. Congratulations, you've managed to alienate yet another person who would've liked to help you! Now you can go be all edgy and post about how little you care and continue your life thinking everybody is out to get you - when in reality "if it smells like shit everywhere..."
I'm pretty stumped. This is the only solution I know for decals not showing up in general, which is definitely a different problem from what I nodded at earlier. If it is really happening in maps that aren't even your own, then it has to be something game or PC related; neither really boding well.
What you could try is running the repair tool before reinstalling the entire game?
Oh, that's easy, that's a graphics issue: some decals don't show up with lower graphic settings. Either the terrain, effects, or texture quality fields in the graphic options impact this, if I recall correctly.
You or someone else may have (unknowingly) lowered these settings at some point.
The 'active forum threads' block isn't something the mods can change, so you're looking at Curse for something like that.
In general, the only things we (= the mods) can change is the content of announcement on the front page, as well as the poll. That, and we can add new announcements. Which means that you're not likely to see much more improvements from our ends than you've already seen - the best I could do is clean up some of the outdated stickies in each board.
I recall having this problem before years ago, but I have absolutely no idea what the issue was anymore. I do remember it was something trivial, fixable in a minute if you knew the solution.
Check the FAQ, I'm somewhat positive this issue is identical to the "placement indicators show up way below where they should be" problem that's in there. Also try pressing V a couple of times to enter/exit game view and see if that is the issue.
and Yeah, that's kind of annoying, i'm not the kind of person that let's that nonsense slide and if that escalates things than so be it.
You also don't seem the kind of person who is capable of introspection. I was going to ignore your post until I saw that beautiful display of arrogance up there. You want to do this? Let's do this. I've got all the time in the world at the moment, and you caught me at a bad moment.
assumptions shouldn't be greenlit. if my stuff was unclear, than ask, don't tell me to buy another PC.
"is there an easier way to place water? " was the question, no where in there was "Hey guys I need PC advice" asked.
"You ask a very widely interpretable question "
Not really?
it's quite straightforward.
" insinuate the people who try to give you a possibly helpful answer are stupid for doing so"
Have you ever heard of the word 'context'? Are you really going to sit there and claim that when you ask "Is there an easier way to place water?" in a post directly followed by two lines stating that "the editor is pissing you the fuck off" and "getting tired of the editor pausing every 6 seconds", that all you are expecting in a reply is a 'yes' or 'no'? If so, you are at worst stupid and at best incredibly naive. Literally the majority of your post revolved around you complaining about the editor being slow. Like... fucking LITERALLY. If you count the words, you'll probably come to the conclusion that more than 60% of your post was decisively not your question. So yeah: "what you asked" loses its value in the big scheme of things if you surround it by other stuff.
If you complain about the editor speed in the same fucking post you're writing a question, then it is goddamn fucking natural for people to assume that "the editor being slow" is an important part of your issue, and you can't even remotely fault them for that. And shit, even if you do: you're failing to realize that these people are making these assumptions solely because you did not provide them with any information to the contrary, and because their aim is to give you an answer that may help you further - how unlikely it may be to do so. It's sad that I am having to explain this to you, but fuck it.
The way I see it, the only reason you're going to be even remotely right in this aspect is if your only aim with this thread was genuinely to get a 'yes' or 'no' response on finding a different way to place water, and the mentions about editor lag were completely unrelated. In which case I'm going to come out and say that your thread was a terrible thread posted from a useless position, and that it should've been a 1-line brainfart in the IRC rather than a full blown post on a place meant for discussion.
Folks here have no idea who you are: you could be a 15-year old bloke with no PC know-how who is trying to run the editor on his brothers' 12-year old PC on highest specs.
Are you going to disagree with this? Are you going to claim random people on the internet should know who you are, or should per definition assume you're not someone with little PC know-how? Yeah, didn't think so.
So what logically follows is this: if someone is working on the perfectly valid assumption that you are clueless about PC's, and they themselves are knowledgeable about the editor, then they may also assume that someone who spends literally the majority of their post complaining about the editor being slow (as we established earlier) suffers from this problem precisely because he is trying to run the editor on an older PC, a broken PC, or on settings his PC is not capable running it at.
I mean, sure: it's not THE single most helpful answer - not even close. You'd be better served if someone told you "I've had this problem before with laggy water, it's a bug that Blizzard has confirmed, and if you do X and Y in menu Z it should be fixed". Sure! But the thing is: if that's not the answer you have and you still want to try and help in some way, you may want to post something that indicates the person's PC specs may be the issue, at least.
" but that attitude isn't going to get you very far."
I don't really care frankly, I rarely get help anyway (with most things not just here, especially garbage steam and blizzard services) I don't expect it, and I'm not going to change myself so that people's feelings aren't hurt when they say pointless things like "buy a new PC :D"
half of my topics never get replies as it is, so what real difference would it make?
"You might have noticed people have stopped replying altogether"
Nope, because this happens to 90% of my topics anyway, it's something I expect.
Do you really, legitimately, fail to see the irony in this? I am literally telling you "this attitude isn't going to get you very far", and you reply by saying "yeah people never help me anyway so changing my attitude won't help". REALLY? This is the equivalent of me calling everyone I meet a faggot and then saying "nobody ever seems to like me, so I might as well keep calling everyone a faggot!".
" I would hazard a guess that this is because folks don't particularly feel like trying to be helpful to you if you have no interest in working with them."
What? by buying a new PC? what are you even talking about? I asked a specific question and got a snarky comment that does not help my situation in the least, how the hell is that on me?
You did not ask a specific question. Your question literally was 'is there an easier way to place water?' Imagine I rephrase that slightly to say 'is there an easier way to place units?' instead. Would you be able to answer that question yourself? No, because you would have no idea what the fuck I meant with 'an easier way'? An easier way from what? Normally you just select them in the layer and click on the map? How can there even be a way that is even less complicated?! Oh, but wait - the poster spends the next two lines complaining that placing units normally is slow, so that must be where his issue is!
"As for closing the thread: you made your bed, you lie in it."
What does that even mean in this context? what is the implication here? my point here is that nobody is actually answering my question and is either:
1. being snarky and pointless
2. Arguing with me over semantics
3. Pretending they have some profound revelation of my character as if I don't already know who I am and how I act
4. Some combination of the 4
"I doubt there is another way to create water than w/ the water tool in the terrain editor."
Thank you.
THIS is the kind of answer I was looking for, if there isn't an easier way, just say "no"
no need for the sarcasm and semantic wars
You got exactly what you deserved in the replies you got. Now... contrary to how it may seem, I'm not out to get you. You're not completely wrong in everything you have said; "buy a new PC" is a pretty meagre response. The thing is, both Houndofbaskerville and Hockleberry tried to bring the point across that WarGirl should have made: "placing water should not be this slow; if it is, there may be a hardware/graphic issue going on - please consider this in trying to fix the issue.".
The reason the replies you got were so meagre is, as I've said before, because your OP had absolutely no information about what your issue was beyond "placing water takes a long time". I tried to drive that point home in a relatively gentle manner, and then even sought to try and help you by asking some follow up questions about your PC and your editor. Lag issues aren't my forte, but I figured that if you were willing to give some more information, maybe I'd be able to help you out and solve the 6 second lag issue. That's when you replied effectively saying "You are wrong, the replies I have received were unwarranted and bad, I'm also ignoring your attempt to help me, now close this thread". Me saying "you made your bed, now lie in it" means that you kicked off this discussion of "sarcasm and semantic wars" by, in nicer words, telling everyone trying to help you to shove it. And now by attempting to wall-of-text me to get your right. So no, I'm not closing this thread for that reason. Either this discussion dies down and the thread disappears by itself, or the whole thing goes off the rails in a direction you did not take it to begin with.
But to reiterate: I'm not out to get you on a personal level. I would've just called you a dumb fuck and left if that was my aim. I'm trying to make you see why, with the way you formulated your OP, you were never going to get a helpful response, and how you can change this in the future to get a better chance at getting one. I'm not even trying to parent you in this: I really just want to give a helpful suggestion. Which really boils down to both the cause of your thread failing as well as this entire discussion: stop spitting in people's faces.
I have no reason to give you my PC specs, it has nothing to do with what I asked.
I don't want advice for my PC, I wanted an answer to an extremely simple question: "is there an easier way to place water? (faster too)"
The speed at which you're placing water, especially if it takes six seconds for it to pop up, has everything to do with your PC specs. If you had a NASA level PC, you'd very likely have no delays in placing water whatsoever, even if the current issue is clearly caused by something else.
Don't get me wrong: I don't give a flying crap about your PC specs. But you came here asking for help without giving anyone any details about your issue, and then tell everyone you "really despise it when people tell you this as if it's feasible or even remotely helpful". Because the truth is: it might have been. Folks here have no idea who you are: you could be a 15-year old bloke with no PC know-how who is trying to run the editor on his brothers' 12-year old PC on highest specs.
But to keep it simple, really: you have come here for help. You ask a very widely interpretable question without giving any details about your situation and then insinuate the people who try to give you a possibly helpful answer are stupid for doing so. Nobody's expecting you to lick any boots, but that attitude isn't going to get you very far. You might have noticed people have stopped replying altogether - I would hazard a guess that this is because folks don't particularly feel like trying to be helpful to you if you have no interest in working with them.
As for closing the thread: you made your bed, you lie in it.
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@Scbroodsc2: Go
Here's a tip I learned during the old WarCraft III days: if you're going to make cliffs that steep, use the smooth brush on them at least once. The untouched steepness just always feels off. I quite like the terrain otherwise!
@redlerred7: Go
The color palette you've used is what makes this terrain, I feel. My only issue is that it is very undefined; with so many floating objects everywhere, it's hard to see exactly what I'm looking at. This makes it less impressive as a terrain, even if it's very aesthetically pleasing. Maybe it's worth turning those two zig-zaggy cliffs into full platforms and perhaps doing... something with that big doodad in the top left corner. Also, the floating circle in the middle could probably be removed without detracting from the whole.
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@ScrinKing: Go
I'll have you know that I got a new computer about a year ago and lost all my old screenshots =P.
To be fair, I do have some random terrains lying around. Mostly the Starmon stuff, and a huge Agria terrain I was working on called 'Port Raynor'.
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To back up my claim on how easy it is to participate in this one, I've taken a small hour to come up with a simple scene of my own: Artanis and Raynor setting up a defense against an incoming attack on a jungley planet. Not all that happy with it, but while it isn't good, I suppose it also isn't bad. This ended up being an even larger scene than I had in mind.
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Weekly Terraining Exercise #245
Hey again folks!
After being inspired by one of JayBorino's posts in the previous WTE, I came up with a theme I figured will appeal to a bunch of you: "Making a Scene". What does this mean? Simple: for this exercise you're required to terrain a small scene rather than a large landscape. Think a Terran colonist in front of her newly founded home, or a Zergling bursting out of an egg at a Hatchery - that level of detail. As such, the restriction for this exercise is that the map you locate your scene in has to be the smallest possible (regular) size; 32x32. The result of this is that the actual creation of the terrain should take at most a minute or ten, allowing anybody with some time to spare to step in. Thinking your scene through and optimizing the limited space will be the challenge for the veterans.
As always, good luck & have fun!
The Global Information/Idea thread for Terraining Exercises can be found here: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/terrain/14658-terraining-exercises-global-information-idea-thread/
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@JayborinoPlays: Go
You've just given me an idea for this week's WTE. The theme I'm gonna post now should be excellent for you to step in, Jay!
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There is a 'create new poll' option, but I don't have the permission to use that - as is of course, tradition. Which means that either I constantly edit/update this poll, or I delete it and we have nothing left.
So yes; if we want to save the older poll results, we'll need a thread or such to maintain those things.
Edit: It's actually pretty shit I am simply restricted from adding a new poll; I can actually see all the older polls, all the way back to 2008 when apparently all polls were WoW-themed?
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God, you are one heavily autistic drab who does not know when to let up, aren't you? I suppose I should've locked your thread to save us all from the sad display of you trying to save face with more non-arguments. I'm literally getting PM's from people telling me not to engage you further because all your posts just devolve into nonsense, illogical bickering, and that it's not worth it. The issue with that is that even though I do not care about you personally, it gets under my skin that people like you get to walk around and continue to both think and act like they are amazing while everybody else is stupid. I suppose at this point all I can do is sincerely hope that you're not an adult.
But hey: let me both do you a favor and my job, then.
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Oh damn, I am shaking in my fucking boots. Holy shit, the sheer power of your arguments blew me away there and made me see how you right you actually are!
But wait: there weren't actually any arguments, you just wrote another wall of the same pointless drivel you wrote before!
I'd reply in detail, but I don't think what you wrote warrants the effort anymore. I genuinely wouldn't know where to start because you aren't trying to discuss anything; you're simply trying to shout at your loudest that you are right. I could quote my entire previous post in a reply to what you just posted, as all the points I made there still stand. Pretty much every single line of your text is a response to me saying "X is wrong, because Y" along the lines of "You're wrong, because X". You straight up don't address most of my arguments. You're literally replying to me saying "telling someone to buy a new PC has some value because X" by saying "telling somone to buy a new PC has no value". Good job. Even aside from the part where you basically admitted that you made a shit post, you've reached the point where instead of grasping at straws, you're eagerly staring at them from another dimension.
You haven't changed a bit, which I suppose is what I could've expected - it's how the world works for most. You still think I am the one 'giving you shit' when you are dead pan wrong, not providing any logical arguments to back up anything to the contrary, most of your reply consists of "lol but it didn't answer my question", and are acting like some wrongfully accosted zealot over it. Congratulations, you've managed to alienate yet another person who would've liked to help you! Now you can go be all edgy and post about how little you care and continue your life thinking everybody is out to get you - when in reality "if it smells like shit everywhere..."
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@redlerred7: Go
I'm pretty stumped. This is the only solution I know for decals not showing up in general, which is definitely a different problem from what I nodded at earlier. If it is really happening in maps that aren't even your own, then it has to be something game or PC related; neither really boding well.
What you could try is running the repair tool before reinstalling the entire game?
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@redlerred7: Go
Oh, that's easy, that's a graphics issue: some decals don't show up with lower graphic settings. Either the terrain, effects, or texture quality fields in the graphic options impact this, if I recall correctly.
You or someone else may have (unknowingly) lowered these settings at some point.
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The 'active forum threads' block isn't something the mods can change, so you're looking at Curse for something like that.
In general, the only things we (= the mods) can change is the content of announcement on the front page, as well as the poll. That, and we can add new announcements. Which means that you're not likely to see much more improvements from our ends than you've already seen - the best I could do is clean up some of the outdated stickies in each board.
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I recall having this problem before years ago, but I have absolutely no idea what the issue was anymore. I do remember it was something trivial, fixable in a minute if you knew the solution.
Check the FAQ, I'm somewhat positive this issue is identical to the "placement indicators show up way below where they should be" problem that's in there. Also try pressing V a couple of times to enter/exit game view and see if that is the issue.
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You also don't seem the kind of person who is capable of introspection. I was going to ignore your post until I saw that beautiful display of arrogance up there. You want to do this? Let's do this. I've got all the time in the world at the moment, and you caught me at a bad moment.
Have you ever heard of the word 'context'? Are you really going to sit there and claim that when you ask "Is there an easier way to place water?" in a post directly followed by two lines stating that "the editor is pissing you the fuck off" and "getting tired of the editor pausing every 6 seconds", that all you are expecting in a reply is a 'yes' or 'no'? If so, you are at worst stupid and at best incredibly naive. Literally the majority of your post revolved around you complaining about the editor being slow. Like... fucking LITERALLY. If you count the words, you'll probably come to the conclusion that more than 60% of your post was decisively not your question. So yeah: "what you asked" loses its value in the big scheme of things if you surround it by other stuff.
If you complain about the editor speed in the same fucking post you're writing a question, then it is goddamn fucking natural for people to assume that "the editor being slow" is an important part of your issue, and you can't even remotely fault them for that. And shit, even if you do: you're failing to realize that these people are making these assumptions solely because you did not provide them with any information to the contrary, and because their aim is to give you an answer that may help you further - how unlikely it may be to do so. It's sad that I am having to explain this to you, but fuck it.
The way I see it, the only reason you're going to be even remotely right in this aspect is if your only aim with this thread was genuinely to get a 'yes' or 'no' response on finding a different way to place water, and the mentions about editor lag were completely unrelated. In which case I'm going to come out and say that your thread was a terrible thread posted from a useless position, and that it should've been a 1-line brainfart in the IRC rather than a full blown post on a place meant for discussion.
In your own words: "Untrue". Let me lay it out for you.
Are you going to disagree with this? Are you going to claim random people on the internet should know who you are, or should per definition assume you're not someone with little PC know-how? Yeah, didn't think so.
So what logically follows is this: if someone is working on the perfectly valid assumption that you are clueless about PC's, and they themselves are knowledgeable about the editor, then they may also assume that someone who spends literally the majority of their post complaining about the editor being slow (as we established earlier) suffers from this problem precisely because he is trying to run the editor on an older PC, a broken PC, or on settings his PC is not capable running it at.
I mean, sure: it's not THE single most helpful answer - not even close. You'd be better served if someone told you "I've had this problem before with laggy water, it's a bug that Blizzard has confirmed, and if you do X and Y in menu Z it should be fixed". Sure! But the thing is: if that's not the answer you have and you still want to try and help in some way, you may want to post something that indicates the person's PC specs may be the issue, at least.
Do you really, legitimately, fail to see the irony in this? I am literally telling you "this attitude isn't going to get you very far", and you reply by saying "yeah people never help me anyway so changing my attitude won't help". REALLY? This is the equivalent of me calling everyone I meet a faggot and then saying "nobody ever seems to like me, so I might as well keep calling everyone a faggot!".
You did not ask a specific question. Your question literally was 'is there an easier way to place water?' Imagine I rephrase that slightly to say 'is there an easier way to place units?' instead. Would you be able to answer that question yourself? No, because you would have no idea what the fuck I meant with 'an easier way'? An easier way from what? Normally you just select them in the layer and click on the map? How can there even be a way that is even less complicated?! Oh, but wait - the poster spends the next two lines complaining that placing units normally is slow, so that must be where his issue is!
You got exactly what you deserved in the replies you got. Now... contrary to how it may seem, I'm not out to get you. You're not completely wrong in everything you have said; "buy a new PC" is a pretty meagre response. The thing is, both Houndofbaskerville and Hockleberry tried to bring the point across that WarGirl should have made: "placing water should not be this slow; if it is, there may be a hardware/graphic issue going on - please consider this in trying to fix the issue.".
The reason the replies you got were so meagre is, as I've said before, because your OP had absolutely no information about what your issue was beyond "placing water takes a long time". I tried to drive that point home in a relatively gentle manner, and then even sought to try and help you by asking some follow up questions about your PC and your editor. Lag issues aren't my forte, but I figured that if you were willing to give some more information, maybe I'd be able to help you out and solve the 6 second lag issue. That's when you replied effectively saying "You are wrong, the replies I have received were unwarranted and bad, I'm also ignoring your attempt to help me, now close this thread". Me saying "you made your bed, now lie in it" means that you kicked off this discussion of "sarcasm and semantic wars" by, in nicer words, telling everyone trying to help you to shove it. And now by attempting to wall-of-text me to get your right. So no, I'm not closing this thread for that reason. Either this discussion dies down and the thread disappears by itself, or the whole thing goes off the rails in a direction you did not take it to begin with.
But to reiterate: I'm not out to get you on a personal level. I would've just called you a dumb fuck and left if that was my aim. I'm trying to make you see why, with the way you formulated your OP, you were never going to get a helpful response, and how you can change this in the future to get a better chance at getting one. I'm not even trying to parent you in this: I really just want to give a helpful suggestion. Which really boils down to both the cause of your thread failing as well as this entire discussion: stop spitting in people's faces.
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The speed at which you're placing water, especially if it takes six seconds for it to pop up, has everything to do with your PC specs. If you had a NASA level PC, you'd very likely have no delays in placing water whatsoever, even if the current issue is clearly caused by something else.
Don't get me wrong: I don't give a flying crap about your PC specs. But you came here asking for help without giving anyone any details about your issue, and then tell everyone you "really despise it when people tell you this as if it's feasible or even remotely helpful". Because the truth is: it might have been. Folks here have no idea who you are: you could be a 15-year old bloke with no PC know-how who is trying to run the editor on his brothers' 12-year old PC on highest specs.
But to keep it simple, really: you have come here for help. You ask a very widely interpretable question without giving any details about your situation and then insinuate the people who try to give you a possibly helpful answer are stupid for doing so. Nobody's expecting you to lick any boots, but that attitude isn't going to get you very far. You might have noticed people have stopped replying altogether - I would hazard a guess that this is because folks don't particularly feel like trying to be helpful to you if you have no interest in working with them.
As for closing the thread: you made your bed, you lie in it.
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Well, this thread went full retard.
Mentally impaired, sorry.
Let me lock it, then.