So, there's a correlation showing that violent kids play a lot of violent games. It pisses me off that people conclude that kids are violent because of the violent video games. But, maybe it's just because kids that are already violent tend to enjoy violent videogames.
Anyway, I'm not here to Debate about that. I just want to show a video I watched today. Come on, you CAN'T DENY that this kid played Street Fighter.
I second this.
I know you don't want to start a debate but I read really interesting things about cognitive sciences during my studies, and it's directly linked to the topic. If anybody you know claims that video games make people violent, you'll have an answer now...
Scientific and social studies were made to confirm (or deny, in that case) that violence in video games leads to violence in real life. The result of these studies shows that not only video games do NOT encourage violence, but they actually do the contrary. Video games help reduce the frustration and stress from everyday's life, and actually makes your brain produce endorphins (endorphins provoke pleasure, the main side effect being addiction... ever wondered why WoW is so addictive? ;) ). So definitely, NO, violence and video games are NOT linked.
Pleasure and frustration are, though. This is probably why in very, VERY rare cases, some people are going nuts and kill people, or at least become violent... The frustration they suffer in real life is too much compared to the pleasure they have in playing games, and since this is their only source of pleasure (no sexual life and no social life) they may turn crazy. But it has been proven that this behavior is mainly due to the society, to the stress induced by life and the mental state of the person (there were murderers and serial killers way before video games existed, right?). Some people are more sensitive to stress than others, people unhappy with their life tend to become violent more easily and more intensively. Ironically you can almost as much go crazy by having too much sex, being on drugs, or even eating too much, because you are not used anymore to being frustrated and you may become violent whenever it happens again...
So, again, violence is not related to video games. It's linked to society, daily stress, and your "resistance" to the amount of pleasure and frustration you may encounter in life. I personally think there is also a factor of risks when watching TV too often though, especially when you see images of violence daily in the news (wars/genocides, natural disasters, crimes and such). Trivializing REAL images of violence (I insist on images of REAL people and REAL acts) makes you unconsciously think it's a normal (or at least acceptable) behavior in society. Humans are violent by nature, the only thing that prevents us from turning crazy is to find some pleasure in everyday's life to counterbalance.
The risk of having only video games as a source of pleasure in your life is that whenever you're frustrated, you may become violent and imitate scenes from video games in real life. Video games tend to play a lot with your nerves, stressing you at every corner and playing with your frustrations. But I could say the exact same thing about social life, sex, job or whatever... Video games is not the source of the problem, it only reveals who you are faster (than a sexual or social life) because the pleasure and frustration are instant. Lots of people play video games daily and are frustrated when losing, but it doesn't mean they'll massacre people. Your mental state plays a huge part in the control of your violent behaviors, and it is directly linked to the society and how it affects you. No need to induce video games in the process.
I should try to find the documents I learned all this from, though it will be in French and a bit hard to translate... The study itself is not French though, I think it was Polish or something... I think it was done after the Columbine massacre, but I'm absolutely not sure. It's very interesting to read anyway. :)
Actually you can draw connections between video games and violence/frustration.
Most video games increase your adrenaline levels when you play them (maybe not WoW.. unless someone goes Leroy Jenkins on you) and adrenaline is a stress hormone. Blood pressure rise, heart beat accelerates. This can be a kick, but it can also create emotional imbalances. At least that's what I've read from some other study on that subject.
But yes, I fully agree with that. I am sure the cause lies in our society which can put so much stress and overstimulation on you that some people just can't cope with it correctly anymore.
Video games are just blamed for this because they happen to be a good target.
Persons who die annually from..
A) related to video games in any way with or without hard evidence: 5000 (pulled the number of out my as.. arm sleeves :3 )
B) alcohol related incidents: 2.5 million (quick google)
C) tobacco related: 6 million (quick google)
Not even counting injuries!
Who, with their sanity still intact, is in the goddamn position to blame video games for ANYTHING?
You remember terrorism?
Alcohol kills more people annually than Al-Qaida, video games and nuclear bombs together ever have!
You remember the bloodiest war in mankind's history?
Since the beginning of this millenium tobacco has killed more people than died in WW2!
You remember the oh-so-gruesome BSE disease?
In it's best year BSE killed 28 persons. Alcohol can do the same in about 5 and a half minutes.
When people read about a plane crash once in a few months they cancel their holiday plane tickets, but when they hear about a dozen car crashes in the hourly radio news they don't care a bit.
Why do you think this is related to video games at all.....
the human races was much more violent prior to video games ever existing.....
Oh and Fatty just school the little peice of shit.
On a second note.... tobacco doesnt kill anybody ....
a persons biological weakness is the cause of death in all deaths related to tobacco at all.... so I would blame the person ... not the smoke... the same can be said of any such biological weakness.
On a second note.... tobacco doesnt kill anybody ....
a persons biological weakness is the cause of death in all deaths related to tobacco at all.... so I would blame the person ... not the smoke... the same can be said of any such biological weakness.
If someone tars his lungs by excessive smoking then I wouldn't call that biological weakness. It's simply poisoning.
By the way, fun fact:
I read in the newspaper (article about radiation due to the current circumstances in Japan) than tobacco weed takes in radiation especially well. A strong smoker (30-40 cigs a day) would take in as much radiation as if he'd x-ray himself 2500 times per day.
Thanks for the amazing remake of the vid GnaReffotsirk. That was hilarious.
Anyways violence and video games have been proven not to be related. The times you see stupid crap somehow related to video games is probably due to a show first and then the video game that's based on the show. Some kids in America, saw it on the news, dug themselves in the sand thinking they could get out like in Naruto. They said it was due to the video games but I think Kakashi is the only person who actually goes down into the ground in the game and in the anime almost everyone does. So it more probably the show.
But also where does personal responsibility come into play. Why didn't these kids parents teach them between reality and fake. I use games to let off steam not create more. I'm sure a lot of people do. I really hope my ex-governor doesn't get the law passed to ban violent video games. Then I'll have to get some form of ID to show I'm 18.
I lol at this case because the only games they have to represent violent video games is Postal and Postal 2. Which are really old games and I'm pretty sure postal was before ESRB. Either way it's been proven by scientist that video games have no direct relation to violence.
But the kid on the video is definitely copying Zangief :P
Zangief is a wrestler. His moves are actually copying real wrestling (finishing) moves from the most famous wrestlers... So basically, this kid is copying wrestling moves, whether he knows it or not doesn't matter.
So, there's a correlation showing that violent kids play a lot of violent games. It pisses me off that people conclude that kids are violent because of the violent video games. But, maybe it's just because kids that are already violent tend to enjoy violent videogames.
Anyway, I'm not here to Debate about that. I just want to show a video I watched today. Come on, you CAN'T DENY that this kid played Street Fighter.
Fat kid looks like he played wrestling games.
I second this. I know you don't want to start a debate but I read really interesting things about cognitive sciences during my studies, and it's directly linked to the topic. If anybody you know claims that video games make people violent, you'll have an answer now...
Scientific and social studies were made to confirm (or deny, in that case) that violence in video games leads to violence in real life. The result of these studies shows that not only video games do NOT encourage violence, but they actually do the contrary. Video games help reduce the frustration and stress from everyday's life, and actually makes your brain produce endorphins (endorphins provoke pleasure, the main side effect being addiction... ever wondered why WoW is so addictive? ;) ). So definitely, NO, violence and video games are NOT linked.
Pleasure and frustration are, though. This is probably why in very, VERY rare cases, some people are going nuts and kill people, or at least become violent... The frustration they suffer in real life is too much compared to the pleasure they have in playing games, and since this is their only source of pleasure (no sexual life and no social life) they may turn crazy. But it has been proven that this behavior is mainly due to the society, to the stress induced by life and the mental state of the person (there were murderers and serial killers way before video games existed, right?). Some people are more sensitive to stress than others, people unhappy with their life tend to become violent more easily and more intensively. Ironically you can almost as much go crazy by having too much sex, being on drugs, or even eating too much, because you are not used anymore to being frustrated and you may become violent whenever it happens again...
So, again, violence is not related to video games. It's linked to society, daily stress, and your "resistance" to the amount of pleasure and frustration you may encounter in life. I personally think there is also a factor of risks when watching TV too often though, especially when you see images of violence daily in the news (wars/genocides, natural disasters, crimes and such). Trivializing REAL images of violence (I insist on images of REAL people and REAL acts) makes you unconsciously think it's a normal (or at least acceptable) behavior in society. Humans are violent by nature, the only thing that prevents us from turning crazy is to find some pleasure in everyday's life to counterbalance.
The risk of having only video games as a source of pleasure in your life is that whenever you're frustrated, you may become violent and imitate scenes from video games in real life. Video games tend to play a lot with your nerves, stressing you at every corner and playing with your frustrations. But I could say the exact same thing about social life, sex, job or whatever... Video games is not the source of the problem, it only reveals who you are faster (than a sexual or social life) because the pleasure and frustration are instant. Lots of people play video games daily and are frustrated when losing, but it doesn't mean they'll massacre people. Your mental state plays a huge part in the control of your violent behaviors, and it is directly linked to the society and how it affects you. No need to induce video games in the process.
I should try to find the documents I learned all this from, though it will be in French and a bit hard to translate... The study itself is not French though, I think it was Polish or something... I think it was done after the Columbine massacre, but I'm absolutely not sure. It's very interesting to read anyway. :)
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I agree with you. But sadly, in Debates you have less than 2 minutes to make your point. :P
Video has been taken down, uhh.
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Actually you can draw connections between video games and violence/frustration.
Most video games increase your adrenaline levels when you play them (maybe not WoW.. unless someone goes Leroy Jenkins on you) and adrenaline is a stress hormone. Blood pressure rise, heart beat accelerates. This can be a kick, but it can also create emotional imbalances. At least that's what I've read from some other study on that subject.
But yes, I fully agree with that. I am sure the cause lies in our society which can put so much stress and overstimulation on you that some people just can't cope with it correctly anymore.
Video games are just blamed for this because they happen to be a good target.
Persons who die annually from..
A) related to video games in any way with or without hard evidence: 5000 (pulled the number of out my as.. arm sleeves :3 )
B) alcohol related incidents: 2.5 million (quick google)
C) tobacco related: 6 million (quick google)
Not even counting injuries!
Who, with their sanity still intact, is in the goddamn position to blame video games for ANYTHING?
You remember terrorism?
Alcohol kills more people annually than Al-Qaida, video games and nuclear bombs together ever have!
You remember the bloodiest war in mankind's history?
Since the beginning of this millenium tobacco has killed more people than died in WW2!
You remember the oh-so-gruesome BSE disease?
In it's best year BSE killed 28 persons. Alcohol can do the same in about 5 and a half minutes.
When people read about a plane crash once in a few months they cancel their holiday plane tickets, but when they hear about a dozen car crashes in the hourly radio news they don't care a bit.
HOLY MOLY PEOPLE ARE STUPID
PS: Maybe I gotten a bit off topic?
"Videogames are bad for you? That's what they said about Rock 'n roll..."
Of course, the guy who said that came up with the Wii, but still...
God: Thou shalt not kill.
Moses: Kill them all!
40 years later...
God: Because you struck the rock.. killed *cough* innocents *cough* you shall not play any part in the promised land.
Moses: Not my fault. Me, speaking to a rock for water? rofl.
God: Oh, my self!
Moses was violent even from the start. He'll always be violent in whatever thing he's given to do with.
Whatever you do, wholeheartedly, moment by heartfelt moment, becomes a tool for the expression of your very soul.
That video was hilarious while it lasted. I love how the fat kid just stood there and took it until he finally got pissed and started owning.
fixed :)
Why do you think this is related to video games at all.....
the human races was much more violent prior to video games ever existing.....
Oh and Fatty just school the little peice of shit.
On a second note.... tobacco doesnt kill anybody ....
a persons biological weakness is the cause of death in all deaths related to tobacco at all.... so I would blame the person ... not the smoke... the same can be said of any such biological weakness.
Something you can blame games on:
video has been taken down*
Whatever you do, wholeheartedly, moment by heartfelt moment, becomes a tool for the expression of your very soul.
If someone tars his lungs by excessive smoking then I wouldn't call that biological weakness. It's simply poisoning.
By the way, fun fact:
I read in the newspaper (article about radiation due to the current circumstances in Japan) than tobacco weed takes in radiation especially well. A strong smoker (30-40 cigs a day) would take in as much radiation as if he'd x-ray himself 2500 times per day.
Thanks for the amazing remake of the vid GnaReffotsirk. That was hilarious.
Anyways violence and video games have been proven not to be related. The times you see stupid crap somehow related to video games is probably due to a show first and then the video game that's based on the show. Some kids in America, saw it on the news, dug themselves in the sand thinking they could get out like in Naruto. They said it was due to the video games but I think Kakashi is the only person who actually goes down into the ground in the game and in the anime almost everyone does. So it more probably the show.
But also where does personal responsibility come into play. Why didn't these kids parents teach them between reality and fake. I use games to let off steam not create more. I'm sure a lot of people do. I really hope my ex-governor doesn't get the law passed to ban violent video games. Then I'll have to get some form of ID to show I'm 18.
I lol at this case because the only games they have to represent violent video games is Postal and Postal 2. Which are really old games and I'm pretty sure postal was before ESRB. Either way it's been proven by scientist that video games have no direct relation to violence.
But the kid on the video is definitely copying Zangief :P
Zangief is a wrestler. His moves are actually copying real wrestling (finishing) moves from the most famous wrestlers... So basically, this kid is copying wrestling moves, whether he knows it or not doesn't matter.
That video was lawls. Those kids definitely deserved it.
And anyway, those were wrestling moves. Was it WWE games or WWE on TV that he's been watching/ playing? We shall never know!
Unless we ask him of course ^^