That's not what I'm saying and I encourage you to read my post again.
"Third, if the next map is brand new (which is the long term goal, to push new maps onto page 1 where they can get exposure), the map is going to tank. Especially with you stating what map is next. If they don't recognize it they're probably going to skip that week."
I'm saying that brand new maps featured in "Map of the Week" will be no different than any other map uploaded by an individual author. The already popular maps will take their players with them the original map when it's re-posted and the new map will have to gain popularity in the exact same fashion other maps do, except that they have a VERY narrow window of opportunity. That small advantage simply isn't worth all of this hassle when it could be gained in an easier way for a much larger range of maps.
But then, the players already know that the map exists, which can be a huge advantage. Also, the Map of the Week ensures that the new map gets played at all, which is, atleast in my eyes, already worth this hassle.
Short side note: Staying in the lobby of a map also increases the playtime on the maplist. So we could all just stay in the lobby for like 24 hours. While we do that we drink coffee in the background and play some games on our gamecube.
Is this true?
So, if i would take 10 people, every one of them creating a lobby game and just staying in there for 24hrs the game would get the 240hrs playtime?
first of all, the idea is genius, but it's certainly going to be insanely difficult to get to work.
second of all, i'm not agreeing with all this proziac guy is saying either, he's pretty much got the entire wrong end of the stick with some of his points and doesn't seem to understand what you are trying to do entirely, as you are most certainly not breaking rules, just bending them.
my opinion is that it won't really work because even if you did get a 'map of the week' map to the first page, people will be playing say for example, banana cheaters, for week 1. so say for example you now go into week 2 and replace banana cheaters with nexus word wars. you've got 2 big situations. people who liked banana cheaters are now thinking.. umm where is that game i liked? so will you have banana cheaters uploaded by yourself for them to play as well? if so this will drag people away from map of the week, but not necessarily enough to get some games of banana cheaters going, so what good are you doing for the games once they are no longer map of the week? a little more exposure, sure maybe, but not much else. the fact of the matter is that people play the games on page one not only for the reason of them simply being there, but they are fun and the majority of casual players enjoy them. if doesn't matter if they have bad terrain or poorly constructed triggers, they are fun, so they are played, end of story.
the only way to fix getting games a decent amount of exposure is to get some good advertisement going or for blizzard to swap it back to some sort of hybrid wc3 system.
but all being said, i would love to see this idea given a chance, and i would support it as you are very cleverly taking advantage of the current pile of shit system blizzard have given us, so good luck to you.
As you already mentioned, a map needs good advertising to be successful. Well, is there a better advertising than being on page one for a whole week?
People get to know the concept, if they like it, they may even add it to their favourites, when it's finally out.
Printing the "Map of the week" concept on the loading screens, people will know what to look for when the week has ended.
Even if it doesn't work out to get the map on the first or second page afterwards, there will be a greatly increased awareness of its existance, resulting in at least several games being played from time to time.
If we just have to stay in the lobby while watching porn and masturbate to boost a map, I'm gladly in it.
It would be nice if Rodrigo or someone would create another thread regarding the first steps.
If this whole Idea isn't gonna work well at the first map we test this on, we have at least tried to do something and know if it actually is working. My only concern is that we don't get enough people for this.
second of all, i'm not agreeing with all this proziac guy is saying either, he's pretty much got the entire wrong end of the stick with some of his points and doesn't seem to understand what you are trying to do entirely, as you are most certainly not breaking rules, just bending them.
my opinion is that it won't really work because even if you did get a 'map of the week' map to the first page, people will be playing say for example, banana cheaters, for week 1. so say for example you now go into week 2 and replace banana cheaters with nexus word wars. you've got 2 big situations. people who liked banana cheaters are now thinking.. umm where is that game i liked? so will you have banana cheaters uploaded by yourself for them to play as well? if so this will drag people away from map of the week, but not necessarily enough to get some games of banana cheaters going, so what good are you doing for the games once they are no longer map of the week? a little more exposure, sure maybe, but not much else. the fact of the matter is that people play the games on page one not only for the reason of them simply being there, but they are fun and the majority of casual players enjoy them. if doesn't matter if they have bad terrain or poorly constructed triggers, they are fun, so they are played, end of story.
My points are bad. . . but you go ahead and use the exact same points that I used?
Third, if the next map is brand new (which is the long term goal, to push new maps onto page 1 where they can get exposure), the map is going to tank. Especially with you stating what map is next. If they don't recognize it they're probably going to skip that week.
Wrong. People are curious about new maps. They just aren't curious enough to search for a new map past page 10, but a new map on page 1 is always the first choice for most of the people. That is why new maps on page 1 tend to go to the very top of the page.
Fourth, people are unlikely to play new maps released by the author after being spotlighted because the name changes and it starts at the bottom of the popularity system (brand new map and all).
Wrong. As a prove of that, famous maps on US that gets published on EU with a different author gets popular. People search for the name of the map, and the name of the map will be the MODE on the "Map of the Week."
You would do FAR better to simply make a YouTube channel reviewing EVERY map from Mapster in an organized fashion. Then advertise the crap out of that channel so people know ALL of the maps that exist, not just the "Map of the Week."
Wrong again. Less than 20% of the kids that play popular maps actually access forums. The only way to contact them is through the first page.
the trouble is, you are talking one week of promotion, then just some text on a loading screen. i'm not saying it wouldnt work, like i said i wish it would, but i think you need more than that. remember, the more maps you make popular through this 'map of the week', the more users you take from the actual map of the week itself
i think one idea to back the whole thing up would be almost it's own mini community to support it. website, forum etc - that would then start creating some proper advertising
We need someone trustable to get everyone's maps publish it on US and EU.
Second, we need a new map never published before that we all agree it has good chances to be popular to be our first map of the week.
Third, we need more than 10 people to agree on playing and promoting this Map of the Week, and featuring about it on their loading screens.
We need someone trustable to get everyone's maps publish it on US and EU.
Second, we need a new map never published before that we all agree it has good chances to be popular to be our first map of the week.
Third, we need more than 10 people to agree on playing and promoting this Map of the Week, and featuring about it on their loading screens.
So what are we waiting for? Open up a topic to search for participants. After that, we can choose a trustfull player and a map. Maybe we can get a demo of TOFU as our first map?
I really like the idea. The only way to play maps not on page 1 by now is in "fun or not". But there are often the same (boring) maps and crap.
Even if the maps dont become popular after "their" week, it would still add a (most likely) better way to play unpopular maps as "fun or not".
A list of the played maps (with date) on the loading screen would be nice, maybe even in the game. So the supported maps maybe could add a chat command which shows the already played maps. (On F12 would be even better but i think thats more difficult for some maps.)
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But then, the players already know that the map exists, which can be a huge advantage. Also, the Map of the Week ensures that the new map gets played at all, which is, atleast in my eyes, already worth this hassle.
Then perhaps as I said at the start. Instead simply helping each other out more would be best overall for everyone.
Is this true?
So, if i would take 10 people, every one of them creating a lobby game and just staying in there for 24hrs the game would get the 240hrs playtime?
Yes. I do it all the time to push my maps.
Hilarious. Thanks for the information.
I like the idea.
So would NA and EU have the same map pool, but not necessarily the same map at all times, with a NA mod and a EU mod controlling it?
so either prozaics mind is 30% better since he disagrees because seriously its sorta only him
just thought i'd give my 2 cents
first of all, the idea is genius, but it's certainly going to be insanely difficult to get to work.
second of all, i'm not agreeing with all this proziac guy is saying either, he's pretty much got the entire wrong end of the stick with some of his points and doesn't seem to understand what you are trying to do entirely, as you are most certainly not breaking rules, just bending them.
my opinion is that it won't really work because even if you did get a 'map of the week' map to the first page, people will be playing say for example, banana cheaters, for week 1. so say for example you now go into week 2 and replace banana cheaters with nexus word wars. you've got 2 big situations. people who liked banana cheaters are now thinking.. umm where is that game i liked? so will you have banana cheaters uploaded by yourself for them to play as well? if so this will drag people away from map of the week, but not necessarily enough to get some games of banana cheaters going, so what good are you doing for the games once they are no longer map of the week? a little more exposure, sure maybe, but not much else. the fact of the matter is that people play the games on page one not only for the reason of them simply being there, but they are fun and the majority of casual players enjoy them. if doesn't matter if they have bad terrain or poorly constructed triggers, they are fun, so they are played, end of story.
the only way to fix getting games a decent amount of exposure is to get some good advertisement going or for blizzard to swap it back to some sort of hybrid wc3 system.
but all being said, i would love to see this idea given a chance, and i would support it as you are very cleverly taking advantage of the current pile of shit system blizzard have given us, so good luck to you.
@xil_theMINISTER: Go
As you already mentioned, a map needs good advertising to be successful. Well, is there a better advertising than being on page one for a whole week? People get to know the concept, if they like it, they may even add it to their favourites, when it's finally out. Printing the "Map of the week" concept on the loading screens, people will know what to look for when the week has ended.
Even if it doesn't work out to get the map on the first or second page afterwards, there will be a greatly increased awareness of its existance, resulting in at least several games being played from time to time.
If we just have to stay in the lobby while watching porn and masturbate to boost a map, I'm gladly in it.
It would be nice if Rodrigo or someone would create another thread regarding the first steps.
If this whole Idea isn't gonna work well at the first map we test this on, we have at least tried to do something and know if it actually is working. My only concern is that we don't get enough people for this.
im in once my sc2 gets fixed patch broke it
My points are bad. . . but you go ahead and use the exact same points that I used?
So what end of the stick do I have again?
Well you could have a better idea of what you're talking about, instead of sitting there defending anything Blizzard does with your life.
Why don't you prove that his points are the same as yours? Since you seem to be into proving things now.
Okay, well I say go ahead and make an official thread for organizing this.
Wrong. People are curious about new maps. They just aren't curious enough to search for a new map past page 10, but a new map on page 1 is always the first choice for most of the people. That is why new maps on page 1 tend to go to the very top of the page.
Wrong. As a prove of that, famous maps on US that gets published on EU with a different author gets popular. People search for the name of the map, and the name of the map will be the MODE on the "Map of the Week."
Wrong again. Less than 20% of the kids that play popular maps actually access forums. The only way to contact them is through the first page.
@ProzaicMuze: Go
what rodrigo said, and i said you got the wrong end of the stick with some of your points, the rest, i agree with you
@MaNtEc0r: Go
the trouble is, you are talking one week of promotion, then just some text on a loading screen. i'm not saying it wouldnt work, like i said i wish it would, but i think you need more than that. remember, the more maps you make popular through this 'map of the week', the more users you take from the actual map of the week itself
i think one idea to back the whole thing up would be almost it's own mini community to support it. website, forum etc - that would then start creating some proper advertising
So...... what about this idea now?
@Crainy: Go
We need someone trustable to get everyone's maps publish it on US and EU.
Second, we need a new map never published before that we all agree it has good chances to be popular to be our first map of the week.
Third, we need more than 10 people to agree on playing and promoting this Map of the Week, and featuring about it on their loading screens.
So what are we waiting for? Open up a topic to search for participants. After that, we can choose a trustfull player and a map. Maybe we can get a demo of TOFU as our first map?
I really like the idea. The only way to play maps not on page 1 by now is in "fun or not". But there are often the same (boring) maps and crap.
Even if the maps dont become popular after "their" week, it would still add a (most likely) better way to play unpopular maps as "fun or not".
A list of the played maps (with date) on the loading screen would be nice, maybe even in the game. So the supported maps maybe could add a chat command which shows the already played maps. (On F12 would be even better but i think thats more difficult for some maps.)