I own disbelief. (Nobody can read that in Spanish. =D)
Yeah, that's pretty absurd censorship. The only one I can think of justification for is slave, but even still that depends on the context. If you're making about about enslaving the world in this day and age, okay, maybe that shouldn't go out there. A type of documentary-like thing about slavery? Touchy subject perhaps, but that's just stupid.
Car in Albanian makes more sense. (Hehe =D Technically "kar"... :) Who says you can't learn anything from a British car show in the US...Top gear is hilarious even though I know about as much about cars as I do SC2 mapmaking.)
They work hard to anticipate what we want and work on that. Sadly sometimes they go in the wrong direction, and sometimes they don't think of something at all. That's what a beta is for, along with bug fixing.
Of course, nothing is truly tested until the masses get their hands on it. That is the test. Is it ripped to shreds....or does it stand up to expectations?
I feel privileged. Was invited in SC2 and D3 betas (and D3 beta was actually my first Diablo game, lol). Then again, I preordered collector's editions for both, so eh. :)
For anyone who wants to know: D3 beta is very boring after playing through it like 20 times, but AWESOME. The $60 for the normal game would be good, and shelling out an extra $40 doesn't seem like much. (Then again, I had preorder on D3CE before I was even in the beta...lol.)
Diablo is pissed. His plans have been ruined. We get a shot at him now.
But that gives us another problem. Any time it was attacked, it'd just run away. For a unit with no actual attack, this can be seen as a good thing. As a unit with spells to attack with, it's a bit difficult to attack with a spell when you're running away...don't you think?
I lol'd.
And agreed.
But the point is that I lol'd.
I did recognize some phrases in there, like "Temple Siege", which reminds me that I should ask UnholyUrine (maker of it) if he still plays SC1...(we were in a clan together, a mapmaking clan, and my map was abysmal but still passed lol. Seriously, to remake it from scratch is almost better than using anything from the original. Perhaps some triggers, but one side was triggered one way, the other side another, and only one side worked right, and the whole thing was kinda dumb anyway...)
Let's face it, with custom maps, we're not going to have much by way of fantasy. We're going to have more SF stuff. Problem is, I kinda hate the current SFs. It's all "shared income". Why can't we have it the old fashion way? If you want to have gobs of money - GET IT. (Though I do like some of the upgrades we couldn't get in SC1. Health, attack speed, energy, health regen, AUTOCASTING STIM....)
But yeah, fantasy is going to be hard in a setting focused on that "high tech" look. I don't think many people will want to stare at a Zerg UI all the time, Protoss UI feels like playing God, and Terran UI feels good, but also like everything is supposed to be machinery. I don't really like the custom UIs that basically take everything out. Someone should just skin the original UIs - like they did in WC3.
This of course means someone has to hear about your map in the first place, or stumble on it in Fun or Not, and has to get decent following so it can get a spot on page 1 or 2, then you aught to be okay. Past that? Good luck.
Though I will partially agree with whomever said "every map is bad", there are few good ones. Income war/def (I forget which it is now lol, been a while since I played) is great. It's like how Income games used to be, but as a tug-of-war. With heroes. And you can heal the main base. And it attacks. And there's a lot of strategy to it. I only wish we could hold back units (though we might be able to do that now...been a while since I played :P) Infested Arena 2 also was good, but died out a while ago. There was one RPG I kinda liked, but I think it also died out. There really has been little else that really got me going "Ohh, I liiiiiike this..."
A financial rebound is about to come. I promise you now, if D3 doesn't get them out of that little hole, can anything? (It's my first Diablo game, and I love the beta too. It's funny, I had SC2 and D3 beta, and I have SC2WoL: Collector's Edition, getting D3: Collector's Edition....heh. Tyreal marine portrait >:D )
Anyway, they can't change the leadership too much. Storylines will get very awkward shapes if they replace too many people in that department. Team who made BNet 2.0 could get some change outs, but I think for the most part everyone else isn't doing too badly. (Did you SEE the Black Soulstone cutscene? I swear that looks very realistic, I had to remind myself for a moment that it wasn't.)
Botting is mostly rampant because they can do that. People used to play WC3, not just host games for it. yeah, I have a bot. I don't autohost though. I mostly have private games with myself on games I know because most new maps for WC3 are half-assed, crap, stupid, pointless, or combinations of that.
@FockeWulf: Go
Not only did it work, it worked quite well. Shame Blizzard's taken such an opposite direction with 2.0.
I dont see how original, well made maps, that still only appeal to a small part of the community will have a chance of being played at all with the current system, that sorts games by popularity. Who the hell is gonna go to page 32 to then host/join a game that will never fill up?? The current solution seems to be a chat channel for every small map to get a slither of chance to be played. But thats rather a solution outside the system, the same as gathering people over forums.
The fact that maps have to be published on every server-region seperately doesnt help either.
Sorting by "popularity" really was a stupid move. It's difficult to get a game knocked from there because who will play anything BUT those? The filters aren't great either.
It's worse than just published on every server/region. You have to get another game license for that server/region before you can publish there too. If the entire thing went up as one network instead of like 8 "regions" really would work better, because now they have to (VERY) slowly put those regions together.
Were some of them drunk and/or high when they thought of some of this? It looks nice, yeah. Does it DO anything? Pretty picture is nice, yeah, as a picture. We wanted a game. We got more "prettiness" than actual functionality. If someone slapped SC2's in-game engine into SC1 and left it on BNet 1.0 I think we might actually have gotten something better. Yes, it'd need a bit more than just having SC1's menus with SC2's in-map-engine, but that kind of blend would most likely have a good shot at being better than what we got.
Another thing I just remembered that was great in WC3 that they had as an afterthought "Oh, you wanted that?" in SC2. Autosaving replays. Which one of them left THAT out of the drawing board?!? (No, it's not the biggest thing ever. But it was nice. You could just look up that game and see the replay without the need to manually save it first. I don't think it even works with custom maps because "the version might change and not work anymore". Old systems were old, but they worked better in some cases. Save something on a computer? WHUPS! Corrupted. You're screwed. WC3 had a lovely thing that you could save stuff in a text file. Portable, safe. It worked.)
Here's what went wrong: they tried fixing what wasn't broken. *sigh* You don't fix what isn't broken.....
2 million WoW people lost? From the $15 monthly alone that's $30mil/mo they just lost.
Not even counting possible expansions (at $60/exp, that's 120mil/exp).
Yes, I will also concede to your point, there are things in BNet 2.0 that are nice. But still, clearly not nice enough, because I have spent more time on WC3 than SC2 since SC2 came out I think. (I've got no exact numbers, but most of what I do on SC2 these days if I even get on is probably attempt another campaign mission on Brutal, and WC3 I'll leave custom maps on overnight to farm something on an rpg.)
WC3 hasn't died yet. Nor has SC1. And based on what people have done with SC1 and WC3 they're CLEARLY more than just eSports games now, even if that were the intention before. Blizzard would have that in mind this time around most definitely.
And PLEASE explain to me where I can message random people and/or look up their profile without searching through pages and pages of usernames without finding them in a channel or adding them to your friends list. WC3 had so many features that weren't poking out into your face, SC2 seems to have lost a few. Want to chat with multiple people at a time? You're forced into Party Chat or a channel. Want to talk to your entire friends list at once? Don't think you can do that in SC2.
There was just so much you could do (and still can) in 1.0 that you just can't do in 2.0. It feels like so much was left out for fancy buttons. For instance, channels. BNet 1.0 practically revolved around them. 2.0? They were an afterthought! In 1.0 you could have game names to say what kind of game you wanted, like "Boss Rush". In 2.0, not only can you not specify that, when the lobby fills, the game starts, so you can't even discuss what you're going to do! Something that REALLY irks me though is the new name system. In 1.0, you had that username. You and you alone. There was nobody else called that on the entire server. Plus, if you hated your server, you could go to another one. There was no "Are you the right 'Sandman'?" There was no "character code" to distinguish you from the 300 other people with your same name. There was no "I can't find it!" (It's only on EU.) "That's BS!" You could live in Europe, dump the map in USE, USW, EU, and Asia, and everyone could play it. Tourny? Jump onto that server to play!
Some of it isn't nostalgia - some of it really is poorer design than before.
(Oh, PS: The ladder's system is utter crap. It's had "Favored" on me before and I get slaughtered. "Slightly favored against" means I'm about to get shot through the Internet. "Favored against" means I have better chance than normal. Also, from Season 1 to 2, I was in Bronze season 1, okay? I play that "new placement" match, lose, and it puts me in silver. Lose again...my rank goes up. What IS this stupid BS system thinking?! I SUCK at RTS, I KNOW this, and I won't try denying it. Seriously, if there's a league under Bronze, I'd probably go there. MAYBE only lower-Bronze, and middle-ish Bronze when I'm in practice (perhaps even high bronze when I'm seriously trying), but I'm crap at RTS and this thing just wants to put me up, so I stopped playing ladder. Their system doesn't understand the phrase "I'm crap at this and I know it.")
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I own disbelief. (Nobody can read that in Spanish. =D)
Yeah, that's pretty absurd censorship. The only one I can think of justification for is slave, but even still that depends on the context. If you're making about about enslaving the world in this day and age, okay, maybe that shouldn't go out there. A type of documentary-like thing about slavery? Touchy subject perhaps, but that's just stupid.
Car in Albanian makes more sense. (Hehe =D Technically "kar"... :) Who says you can't learn anything from a British car show in the US...Top gear is hilarious even though I know about as much about cars as I do SC2 mapmaking.)
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Any hope of it hitting NA? :(
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They work hard to anticipate what we want and work on that. Sadly sometimes they go in the wrong direction, and sometimes they don't think of something at all. That's what a beta is for, along with bug fixing.
Of course, nothing is truly tested until the masses get their hands on it. That is the test. Is it ripped to shreds....or does it stand up to expectations?
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I feel privileged. Was invited in SC2 and D3 betas (and D3 beta was actually my first Diablo game, lol). Then again, I preordered collector's editions for both, so eh. :)
For anyone who wants to know: D3 beta is very boring after playing through it like 20 times, but AWESOME. The $60 for the normal game would be good, and shelling out an extra $40 doesn't seem like much. (Then again, I had preorder on D3CE before I was even in the beta...lol.)
Diablo is pissed. His plans have been ruined.
We get a shot at him now.
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Couldn't you also make it some bizarre version of creepy, where nothing can climb the sides of the "creep" and can only get on in special parts?
Or am I just completely misunderstanding how to do it on a drastic scale?
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@XenoYoxa: Go
Pure spellcast, no normal attack.
But that gives us another problem. Any time it was attacked, it'd just run away. For a unit with no actual attack, this can be seen as a good thing. As a unit with spells to attack with, it's a bit difficult to attack with a spell when you're running away...don't you think?
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@XenoYoxa: Go
"None of the downsides"? Every character has to have at least one downside, or else everyone will want it and it'd be rigged.
And dude, I think you made the post even worse....lol...
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@Mozared: Go
I lol'd. And agreed. But the point is that I lol'd.
I did recognize some phrases in there, like "Temple Siege", which reminds me that I should ask UnholyUrine (maker of it) if he still plays SC1...(we were in a clan together, a mapmaking clan, and my map was abysmal but still passed lol. Seriously, to remake it from scratch is almost better than using anything from the original. Perhaps some triggers, but one side was triggered one way, the other side another, and only one side worked right, and the whole thing was kinda dumb anyway...)
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@Jinxxx123: Go
Let's face it, with custom maps, we're not going to have much by way of fantasy. We're going to have more SF stuff. Problem is, I kinda hate the current SFs. It's all "shared income". Why can't we have it the old fashion way? If you want to have gobs of money - GET IT. (Though I do like some of the upgrades we couldn't get in SC1. Health, attack speed, energy, health regen, AUTOCASTING STIM....)
But yeah, fantasy is going to be hard in a setting focused on that "high tech" look. I don't think many people will want to stare at a Zerg UI all the time, Protoss UI feels like playing God, and Terran UI feels good, but also like everything is supposed to be machinery. I don't really like the custom UIs that basically take everything out. Someone should just skin the original UIs - like they did in WC3.
This of course means someone has to hear about your map in the first place, or stumble on it in Fun or Not, and has to get decent following so it can get a spot on page 1 or 2, then you aught to be okay. Past that? Good luck.
Though I will partially agree with whomever said "every map is bad", there are few good ones. Income war/def (I forget which it is now lol, been a while since I played) is great. It's like how Income games used to be, but as a tug-of-war. With heroes. And you can heal the main base. And it attacks. And there's a lot of strategy to it. I only wish we could hold back units (though we might be able to do that now...been a while since I played :P) Infested Arena 2 also was good, but died out a while ago. There was one RPG I kinda liked, but I think it also died out. There really has been little else that really got me going "Ohh, I liiiiiike this..."
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@Yeti434: Go
A financial rebound is about to come. I promise you now, if D3 doesn't get them out of that little hole, can anything? (It's my first Diablo game, and I love the beta too. It's funny, I had SC2 and D3 beta, and I have SC2WoL: Collector's Edition, getting D3: Collector's Edition....heh. Tyreal marine portrait >:D )
Anyway, they can't change the leadership too much. Storylines will get very awkward shapes if they replace too many people in that department. Team who made BNet 2.0 could get some change outs, but I think for the most part everyone else isn't doing too badly. (Did you SEE the Black Soulstone cutscene? I swear that looks very realistic, I had to remind myself for a moment that it wasn't.)
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@sandround: Go
Botting is mostly rampant because they can do that. People used to play WC3, not just host games for it. yeah, I have a bot. I don't autohost though. I mostly have private games with myself on games I know because most new maps for WC3 are half-assed, crap, stupid, pointless, or combinations of that.
@FockeWulf: Go Not only did it work, it worked quite well. Shame Blizzard's taken such an opposite direction with 2.0.
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Sorting by "popularity" really was a stupid move. It's difficult to get a game knocked from there because who will play anything BUT those? The filters aren't great either.
It's worse than just published on every server/region. You have to get another game license for that server/region before you can publish there too. If the entire thing went up as one network instead of like 8 "regions" really would work better, because now they have to (VERY) slowly put those regions together.
Were some of them drunk and/or high when they thought of some of this? It looks nice, yeah. Does it DO anything? Pretty picture is nice, yeah, as a picture. We wanted a game. We got more "prettiness" than actual functionality. If someone slapped SC2's in-game engine into SC1 and left it on BNet 1.0 I think we might actually have gotten something better. Yes, it'd need a bit more than just having SC1's menus with SC2's in-map-engine, but that kind of blend would most likely have a good shot at being better than what we got.
Another thing I just remembered that was great in WC3 that they had as an afterthought "Oh, you wanted that?" in SC2. Autosaving replays. Which one of them left THAT out of the drawing board?!? (No, it's not the biggest thing ever. But it was nice. You could just look up that game and see the replay without the need to manually save it first. I don't think it even works with custom maps because "the version might change and not work anymore". Old systems were old, but they worked better in some cases. Save something on a computer? WHUPS! Corrupted. You're screwed. WC3 had a lovely thing that you could save stuff in a text file. Portable, safe. It worked.)
Here's what went wrong: they tried fixing what wasn't broken. *sigh* You don't fix what isn't broken.....
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@Yeti434: Go
2 million WoW people lost? From the $15 monthly alone that's $30mil/mo they just lost. Not even counting possible expansions (at $60/exp, that's 120mil/exp).
@EternalWraith: Go
Yes, I will also concede to your point, there are things in BNet 2.0 that are nice. But still, clearly not nice enough, because I have spent more time on WC3 than SC2 since SC2 came out I think. (I've got no exact numbers, but most of what I do on SC2 these days if I even get on is probably attempt another campaign mission on Brutal, and WC3 I'll leave custom maps on overnight to farm something on an rpg.)
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@EternalWraith: Go
WC3 hasn't died yet. Nor has SC1. And based on what people have done with SC1 and WC3 they're CLEARLY more than just eSports games now, even if that were the intention before. Blizzard would have that in mind this time around most definitely.
And PLEASE explain to me where I can message random people and/or look up their profile without searching through pages and pages of usernames without finding them in a channel or adding them to your friends list. WC3 had so many features that weren't poking out into your face, SC2 seems to have lost a few. Want to chat with multiple people at a time? You're forced into Party Chat or a channel. Want to talk to your entire friends list at once? Don't think you can do that in SC2.
There was just so much you could do (and still can) in 1.0 that you just can't do in 2.0. It feels like so much was left out for fancy buttons. For instance, channels. BNet 1.0 practically revolved around them. 2.0? They were an afterthought! In 1.0 you could have game names to say what kind of game you wanted, like "Boss Rush". In 2.0, not only can you not specify that, when the lobby fills, the game starts, so you can't even discuss what you're going to do! Something that REALLY irks me though is the new name system. In 1.0, you had that username. You and you alone. There was nobody else called that on the entire server. Plus, if you hated your server, you could go to another one. There was no "Are you the right 'Sandman'?" There was no "character code" to distinguish you from the 300 other people with your same name. There was no "I can't find it!" (It's only on EU.) "That's BS!" You could live in Europe, dump the map in USE, USW, EU, and Asia, and everyone could play it. Tourny? Jump onto that server to play!
Some of it isn't nostalgia - some of it really is poorer design than before.
(Oh, PS: The ladder's system is utter crap. It's had "Favored" on me before and I get slaughtered. "Slightly favored against" means I'm about to get shot through the Internet. "Favored against" means I have better chance than normal. Also, from Season 1 to 2, I was in Bronze season 1, okay? I play that "new placement" match, lose, and it puts me in silver. Lose again...my rank goes up. What IS this stupid BS system thinking?! I SUCK at RTS, I KNOW this, and I won't try denying it. Seriously, if there's a league under Bronze, I'd probably go there. MAYBE only lower-Bronze, and middle-ish Bronze when I'm in practice (perhaps even high bronze when I'm seriously trying), but I'm crap at RTS and this thing just wants to put me up, so I stopped playing ladder. Their system doesn't understand the phrase "I'm crap at this and I know it.")
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@Mozared: Go
I know that. I was asking which Battle.net he's talking about is which.