If, on your Diablo map, you had the choice between a diablo model or a WC one, which would you use? Obviously we want our maps to LOOK good, and while having a battlecruiser substitute for a Marathan works, and people wont care. That doesn't mean I'll just go "eh, good enough". Like all creators I strive for perfection, that includes aesthetics. I'll make do with what I have, now, but I'll also look for proper models, just like you did with your diablo map.
It depends. When we were working on the project the limit in wc3 was about half of what it is now in filesize. I think it was 4000kb, was it?
And i would not use custom models that resemble a game that is not made by blizzard. I just think it is wrong. There is a reason for why they want to copy-right material. Making an almost exact copy of it should not make any difference.
And if you strive for perfection, you should NEVER try to copy an already existing title, especially in the graphics, that is the most stupid thing you can do.
If you want it to be perfect, it is always a good idea to take for example halo, and then recreate the world so that it suits the available resources you have.
I for example plan to make a sc2 campaign similar to the 3D zelda games (I have played zelda since i were 3, starting with a link to the past, i own all games, i own multiple copies of many games, i have gold cartrigdes, i have gold CDs, i even have a zelda nintendo DS. That should probably explain how much i like the zelda series).
But even though i like it THAT much, i took pieces from different zelda games and then recreated it in the StarCraft universe. And wut, now you have Legend of Zelendis, where a young Protoss (with the model of a Zealot) will have to save the world.
I dont see why you really need to do HALO and it is like impossible to recreate it to fit starcraft, and insted have the risk of getting your project banned from battle.net due to copy-right issues.
And while I COULD create a unique universe, I don't want to. I mean going back to your Diablo map, why didn't you make a brand new, unique universe? Because you didn't want to, you wanted to recreate Diablo. Well I want to recreate Halo, since I enjoy the universe and the lore behind it.
You do not have to make a unique universe, you can create one that resembles the one in Halo.
And do you seriously think we "recreated diablo III"? How could we possibly do that. All we had was 1 single gameplay video, that was all we had.
There was no such thing as ingame previews or whatever, we started that project over 2 years ago. And we actually had an original class at the begining that did not exist in the d3 universe. And sure, i did want to create original content, it was the "fans" that was against it. they wanted us to make it similar to what was announced, for the very reason that we called it diablo 3 warcraft. It was pretty much like this "If you call it diablo 3, then make it like diablo 3".
This could turn into a problem for you aswell, if you name it halo, be ready to get some nerd rage from people that complain about you adding original content.
And it is nothing wrong with the fact that you like the lore, i think thats awesome, but you can use the lore and create your own universe with it.
If you have the lore behind a zelda game, you could EASILY rewrite the an entire game so that it fits starcraft II just perfect, but still be pretty much exactly the same.
There was this hylian that was taken to kokiri people... No.. wait.. It was this protoss that was taken to the X people (whatever you wanna call them).
And he lived in the kokiri forest.. Or maybe it was in some kind of Ruins located in the forest with a nice touch to it.
And the whole point is to save zelda from ganon(dorf).. No.. wait.. It was to save Selendis, The Princess.. Ohh, and it was not ganondorf, it was that damn annoying Templar (by the looks of it anyway, just add some dark colors to the texture)) that can transform into a Hybrid.
Now, this would fit pretty well. The idea is still exactly the same, but i use the resources that the starcraft universe has to offer.
And guess what, i waited with this project becouse there is not much resources yet. IF it will be required. but so far nothing have the requirement of custom resources, and i have a word file with a few hundred rows where i have written exactly what will happen during the game and how everything will work, but it is still almost exactly like ocarina of time, but it does not require any custom resources at all.
Just think about it. It feels like you are trying to convince yourself that you MUST make it look EXACTLY like halo, and this is not a good thing. This could do more bad then good. If you atleast give it a chance and try to make it do-able with the existing resources i am sure that you will be able to make a map that is just as good, if not better. This would also give you more freedom. becouse if you do a halo map, it have to be halo, right? otherwise there is no point of making it look exactly like halo.
In the end, we're woefully off-topic. This thread isn't about why mappers may want custom models in their maps, it's about whether or not those custom models even exist.
First of all, I'm here because this place is NOT about SC2, it's about SC2 modding. If you've noticed, I haven't complained about the editor, I've complained about Blizzard, and especially Bnet.
Also, you must be one of those mappers who make "original" tower defense games and the like. As you said, part of modding is creating new and unique things. Now, last I checked, you can create a new and unique map based on a specific universe. Just because my map is set in the Halo universe, and thus needs Halo models to look good, does NOT mean it's been done before. It doesn't mean it's an FPS copying the Halo games or anything. Honestly, if your idea of "creative" is simply doing something with absolutely no ties to anything, period, then I've got bad news for you, anything you create has ties to SC due to the models you use :(.
So yeah, there is a point in using Halo models, because my map takes place in the Halo universe. And in the Halo universe, the humans didn't use T shaped battlecruisers, and the covenant didn't use flying dildo's. So sue me for wondering if models existed that'd make my map look good, and actually follow the source material.
But.. thats what i said? I clearly said "This makes me wonder why your at a sc2 community, that is about sc2 modding." I also said that you are complaining about blizzard, i did not say that you complain about the editor.
I dont really understand why you pretend that i said something else there.
And you do not have to go all out on people that make TDs, a TD did just get the first gold revive on this sites newspage.
I have never created a TD either...
And no, i can not say that i create original stuff, insted i create stuff inspired by blizzards games, like Diablo III Warcraft for example. And i can tell you one thing, The map got INSANELY popular and people said that it was like diablo before we used ANY custom model or skin that resembled anything from diablo III itself. We used a freaking Orc as barbarian and reskinned him, and guess what, people said that it was freaking awesome.
We also used a quil boar with a lantern or something in one of his hand once for the witch doctor, just becouse the witch doctor was so weird, and people was totally fine with that. It took like 6 months before we replaced it with a custom model, and people didnt complain.
And why does a StarCraft II map that take place in the halo universe need to use halo models? You could easily replace them with for example Marines and Zealots for both sides.
And then you use the phoenix for that purple vehicle from halo 3 (cant remember the name), you just paint it purple and its close enough.
You could also use the hellion for the classic halo car. It even have a nice gun on top of it just like the car in halo.
and so it continues. The map can absolutely be good without the use of models from halo. Creativity goes far sometimes.
And i am not saying that the map have been made before, but you do not have to use the halo universe at all, do you? With some creativity you could create your own universe have resemble the halo universe in almost everyway, but it looks different and stuff have some different names.
And i never said that your suppost to do something that isnt tied to ANYTHING, but you could atleast be a bit creative, you do not have to make something that looks exactly like halo for it to feel and be just like halo.
And i am pretty damn sure that you could use a medivac/banshee or whatever with a reskin if anything at all to make it fit.
Besides, Blizzard wouldn't be liable for being sued if they weren't stupid fucking assholes, and didn't force us to host our maps on their servers. They couldn't get sued for maps made in WC3 or SC, because they held no responsibility, it was even in their eula. But now that they FORCE us to host our maps on their servers, they're liable, and as such limit us. Fucking despise them for ruining custom content like this, they made a fantastic editor that allows us to do almost anything, and then ruined it by putting so many limitations on Bnet, that we can't do anything truly creative or inspired. All we can do is make gimicky minigames.
This makes me wonder why your at a sc2 community, that is about sc2 modding.
All you seem to do is complain about how horrible blizzard made it, and still you stay here?
That must mean that even if it is limited, it is superior to alot of other modding tools.
You should not complain. And especially not about blizzard not allowing you to use replicas of copy righted material.
There should be no need for a halo model, you can just replace them with similar models from sc2.
Why would you want to make a sc2 map that looks just like halo anyway? there is no point it that. The whole point of the modding community is be creative and create awesome maps, not copy already existing games.
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It depends. When we were working on the project the limit in wc3 was about half of what it is now in filesize. I think it was 4000kb, was it?
And i would not use custom models that resemble a game that is not made by blizzard. I just think it is wrong. There is a reason for why they want to copy-right material. Making an almost exact copy of it should not make any difference.
And if you strive for perfection, you should NEVER try to copy an already existing title, especially in the graphics, that is the most stupid thing you can do.
If you want it to be perfect, it is always a good idea to take for example halo, and then recreate the world so that it suits the available resources you have.
I for example plan to make a sc2 campaign similar to the 3D zelda games (I have played zelda since i were 3, starting with a link to the past, i own all games, i own multiple copies of many games, i have gold cartrigdes, i have gold CDs, i even have a zelda nintendo DS. That should probably explain how much i like the zelda series).
But even though i like it THAT much, i took pieces from different zelda games and then recreated it in the StarCraft universe. And wut, now you have Legend of Zelendis, where a young Protoss (with the model of a Zealot) will have to save the world.
I dont see why you really need to do HALO and it is like impossible to recreate it to fit starcraft, and insted have the risk of getting your project banned from battle.net due to copy-right issues.
You do not have to make a unique universe, you can create one that resembles the one in Halo.
And do you seriously think we "recreated diablo III"? How could we possibly do that. All we had was 1 single gameplay video, that was all we had.
There was no such thing as ingame previews or whatever, we started that project over 2 years ago. And we actually had an original class at the begining that did not exist in the d3 universe. And sure, i did want to create original content, it was the "fans" that was against it. they wanted us to make it similar to what was announced, for the very reason that we called it diablo 3 warcraft. It was pretty much like this "If you call it diablo 3, then make it like diablo 3".
This could turn into a problem for you aswell, if you name it halo, be ready to get some nerd rage from people that complain about you adding original content.
And it is nothing wrong with the fact that you like the lore, i think thats awesome, but you can use the lore and create your own universe with it.
If you have the lore behind a zelda game, you could EASILY rewrite the an entire game so that it fits starcraft II just perfect, but still be pretty much exactly the same.
There was this hylian that was taken to kokiri people... No.. wait.. It was this protoss that was taken to the X people (whatever you wanna call them).
And he lived in the kokiri forest.. Or maybe it was in some kind of Ruins located in the forest with a nice touch to it.
And the whole point is to save zelda from ganon(dorf).. No.. wait.. It was to save Selendis, The Princess.. Ohh, and it was not ganondorf, it was that damn annoying Templar (by the looks of it anyway, just add some dark colors to the texture)) that can transform into a Hybrid.
Now, this would fit pretty well. The idea is still exactly the same, but i use the resources that the starcraft universe has to offer.
And guess what, i waited with this project becouse there is not much resources yet. IF it will be required. but so far nothing have the requirement of custom resources, and i have a word file with a few hundred rows where i have written exactly what will happen during the game and how everything will work, but it is still almost exactly like ocarina of time, but it does not require any custom resources at all.
Just think about it. It feels like you are trying to convince yourself that you MUST make it look EXACTLY like halo, and this is not a good thing. This could do more bad then good. If you atleast give it a chance and try to make it do-able with the existing resources i am sure that you will be able to make a map that is just as good, if not better. This would also give you more freedom. becouse if you do a halo map, it have to be halo, right? otherwise there is no point of making it look exactly like halo.
Fine, i wont continue. Just think about it, okay.
But.. thats what i said? I clearly said "This makes me wonder why your at a sc2 community, that is about sc2 modding." I also said that you are complaining about blizzard, i did not say that you complain about the editor.
I dont really understand why you pretend that i said something else there.
And you do not have to go all out on people that make TDs, a TD did just get the first gold revive on this sites newspage.
I have never created a TD either...
And no, i can not say that i create original stuff, insted i create stuff inspired by blizzards games, like Diablo III Warcraft for example. And i can tell you one thing, The map got INSANELY popular and people said that it was like diablo before we used ANY custom model or skin that resembled anything from diablo III itself. We used a freaking Orc as barbarian and reskinned him, and guess what, people said that it was freaking awesome.
We also used a quil boar with a lantern or something in one of his hand once for the witch doctor, just becouse the witch doctor was so weird, and people was totally fine with that. It took like 6 months before we replaced it with a custom model, and people didnt complain.
And why does a StarCraft II map that take place in the halo universe need to use halo models? You could easily replace them with for example Marines and Zealots for both sides.
And then you use the phoenix for that purple vehicle from halo 3 (cant remember the name), you just paint it purple and its close enough.
You could also use the hellion for the classic halo car. It even have a nice gun on top of it just like the car in halo.
and so it continues. The map can absolutely be good without the use of models from halo. Creativity goes far sometimes.
And i am not saying that the map have been made before, but you do not have to use the halo universe at all, do you? With some creativity you could create your own universe have resemble the halo universe in almost everyway, but it looks different and stuff have some different names.
And i never said that your suppost to do something that isnt tied to ANYTHING, but you could atleast be a bit creative, you do not have to make something that looks exactly like halo for it to feel and be just like halo.
And i am pretty damn sure that you could use a medivac/banshee or whatever with a reskin if anything at all to make it fit.
This makes me wonder why your at a sc2 community, that is about sc2 modding.
All you seem to do is complain about how horrible blizzard made it, and still you stay here?
That must mean that even if it is limited, it is superior to alot of other modding tools.
You should not complain. And especially not about blizzard not allowing you to use replicas of copy righted material.
There should be no need for a halo model, you can just replace them with similar models from sc2.
Why would you want to make a sc2 map that looks just like halo anyway? there is no point it that. The whole point of the modding community is be creative and create awesome maps, not copy already existing games.