"Getting it right and just meeting the Blizzard quality bar, and questioning a lot of the assumptions behind the genre, which is what we do at Blizzard,"
The discussion if its going to be a failure is a failure in it self.
Dota 2 will be sold hard and that was clear when they released the whole idea.
I predict a upcoming massive community but time will tell.
Ok I understand your arguments just to be fair I will answer by listing things, that I like about Dota more than LoL (which a played a lot over 500 games).
Dota has a higher skillcap. You can deny creeps and towers and you lose money for dying which makes it harder to get your items or to dominate in a game.
In LoL you can die over and over again and get not punished enough for it, since you don't lose gold for it.
The balancing was OK, but far away from well balanced. You can see it still now how some heroes are just straight op but thats normal in every kind of game like that.
The other thing is, that in Dota you have caster which are very good in early and bad in late game, while damage-dealer are just sucky at the beginning but gets better at the end of the game. In LoL you can get "AP" which lets every hero be good at the end regardless the class.
But the thing I liked about Dota the most, are the heroes. They are so different from each other: Panton Lancer, Morphling, Evoker etc...
In LoL its like every new Hero has spells someone else already had. Just my opinion but I just find the heroes a lot cooler than the one in LoL.
Any reason why anyone would play this, when they can get W3DotA, LoL or SC2DotA?
- WC3DotA, you have to install the game etc just to play it, while a lot of your friends does not have it. So they have to pay for Wacraft3+TFT.
- WC3 has shitty graphics.
- WC3 has not a reconnect feature and a lot of disconnects.
- LoL, cmon are you serious?
- SC2 Dota, do you mean the Blizzard one or Sotis? Yes Sotis is fun, but not on the level of Dota and Blizzard Dota meh...not even released.
- New good graphics.
These are just some points but I still can understand, why some one would still prefer the old versions or LoL, but not for me I'm pretty convinced regarding Dota 2.
I don't understand why people think this concept that using exactly the same heroes is fine for DotA 2. The art for the heroes was not made by the creators of DotA, they were made by staff at Blizzard.
Now Valve are basing their characters off many of the WC3 characters/ models because they hired someone who maintains a mod for the game. Since when was that OK?
I don't know if it is considered OK, but I just wanted to see who is Lich and who is Enchantress. I don't want completely different looking heroes. They look different enough so that no one would be consider it a rip off. The reason why Icefrog chose these models back in WC3 was not the reason they looked that cool, but instead he was restricted from the editor to do so.
If you could not recognize any of the heroes, it wouldn't be that cool
I don't feel like arguing about this, especially since someone else shares my opinion as well, so I am clearly not alone here.
I just smiled.
Speaking about the graphics:
I expected better graphics too, but when I think about it, it makes quite sense why its not that ultra high. Its a game which will support LAN-Mode so it would be silly to exaggerate the graphics.
That way it will be playable on many different systems, but thats just assuming I don't know anything about the system requirements though.
@progammer: Go
True that a lot of players cannot afford to buy a game. But I think you can't do much about it.
I don't know if its going to be the new hit in the E-sports scene but I know, that a lot of players in Europe will play it and if I can get Dota with better graphics while not having the problem of disconnects I'm definitely in to it.
I played it a lot with friends of mine so we all are going to play it together.
These models are just higher quality with some slight changes to try and avoid copyright. They don't remind me of the Wc3 units, they are the Wc3 units. I wouldn't be surprised seeing a lawsuit in the future.
Biggest bullshit I have ever read on SC2Mapster.
Most of the models just can't be completly different.
Take a random archer with a blue cape and you got Drow Ranger.
Earth Shaker is running on his 4 hands/feets so I don't know how you think it looks the same lol.
Cmon dude, how are you supposed to recognize the Dota heroes if they can't look in any way like the ones in WC3?
Most of the models don't at all look like the WC3 ones. They can't change the whole looking of a hero. That would be stupid. I would like to see directly which hero is Slayer or Axe.
I don't really think, that the LoL community would switch to Dota2. The whole community is full of kids who never played Dota before and don't intend to do so. I'm quite happy that they won't have any interest in Dota2.
As for now, lets see how it goes on in the future with Dota2,LoL and HoN. I don't really give HoN a chance though.
It makes me really sad that Valve stole the name dota to create
something that looks as bad as that. Sure updated graphics are nice but
we could use WoW models and make the same thing in sc2. I've seen in
game screenshot and I thought it looked good but seeing that trailer
makes me doubt it. I thought they were going to make dota 2 not dota:
enhanced. Oh well, league of legends is still fun and free.
WoW models? You must be kidding...btw Blizzard does not want us to use there models.
No one wants another Dota in SC2. The engine does not work that fine for competitive play since you cant reconnect etc.
The biggest fun on Dota were the heroes. They were unique and fun to play since they were so different to play. Thats something I missed in LoL all the time so I quit long time ago. Btw The community of LoL sucks balls. Dota 2 will get a huge community and the way I know Valve, they won't do a shitty game.
Just to throw some experience in here: You know whats most fun in LoL? To amok rush in every time and die like 10 times, but getting all Items you need since you don't lose gold for dying. LoL is perfect for noobs who want easy game-play and a skill cap. The same reason denying was removed I guess. I know a lot of guys enjoying LoL, but I lost my interest since its to simple made. And every one week another hero? Gosh....
At all guys above: Did you secretly play Dota2 already? You sure talk like that.
:D
The discussion if its going to be a failure is a failure in it self.
Dota 2 will be sold hard and that was clear when they released the whole idea.
I predict a upcoming massive community but time will tell.
@Mozared: Go
Ok I understand your arguments just to be fair I will answer by listing things, that I like about Dota more than LoL (which a played a lot over 500 games).
Dota has a higher skillcap. You can deny creeps and towers and you lose money for dying which makes it harder to get your items or to dominate in a game.
In LoL you can die over and over again and get not punished enough for it, since you don't lose gold for it.
The balancing was OK, but far away from well balanced. You can see it still now how some heroes are just straight op but thats normal in every kind of game like that.
The other thing is, that in Dota you have caster which are very good in early and bad in late game, while damage-dealer are just sucky at the beginning but gets better at the end of the game. In LoL you can get "AP" which lets every hero be good at the end regardless the class.
But the thing I liked about Dota the most, are the heroes. They are so different from each other: Panton Lancer, Morphling, Evoker etc...
In LoL its like every new Hero has spells someone else already had. Just my opinion but I just find the heroes a lot cooler than the one in LoL.
- WC3DotA, you have to install the game etc just to play it, while a lot of your friends does not have it. So they have to pay for Wacraft3+TFT.
- WC3 has shitty graphics.
- WC3 has not a reconnect feature and a lot of disconnects.
- LoL, cmon are you serious?
- SC2 Dota, do you mean the Blizzard one or Sotis? Yes Sotis is fun, but not on the level of Dota and Blizzard Dota meh...not even released.
- New good graphics.
These are just some points but I still can understand, why some one would still prefer the old versions or LoL, but not for me I'm pretty convinced regarding Dota 2.
Thats actually a pretty good title.
Unnecessary and exaggerated....
I don't know if it is considered OK, but I just wanted to see who is Lich and who is Enchantress. I don't want completely different looking heroes. They look different enough so that no one would be consider it a rip off. The reason why Icefrog chose these models back in WC3 was not the reason they looked that cool, but instead he was restricted from the editor to do so.
If you could not recognize any of the heroes, it wouldn't be that cool
I just smiled.
Speaking about the graphics:
I expected better graphics too, but when I think about it, it makes quite sense why its not that ultra high. Its a game which will support LAN-Mode so it would be silly to exaggerate the graphics.
That way it will be playable on many different systems, but thats just assuming I don't know anything about the system requirements though.
@progammer: Go True that a lot of players cannot afford to buy a game. But I think you can't do much about it.
I don't know if its going to be the new hit in the E-sports scene but I know, that a lot of players in Europe will play it and if I can get Dota with better graphics while not having the problem of disconnects I'm definitely in to it.
I played it a lot with friends of mine so we all are going to play it together.
Biggest bullshit I have ever read on SC2Mapster.
Most of the models just can't be completly different.
Take a random archer with a blue cape and you got Drow Ranger.
Earth Shaker is running on his 4 hands/feets so I don't know how you think it looks the same lol.
Cmon dude, how are you supposed to recognize the Dota heroes if they can't look in any way like the ones in WC3?
@Zantai: Go
Most of the models don't at all look like the WC3 ones. They can't change the whole looking of a hero. That would be stupid. I would like to see directly which hero is Slayer or Axe.
I don't really think, that the LoL community would switch to Dota2. The whole community is full of kids who never played Dota before and don't intend to do so. I'm quite happy that they won't have any interest in Dota2.
As for now, lets see how it goes on in the future with Dota2,LoL and HoN. I don't really give HoN a chance though.
The graphics are cool, similar to LoL but a lot darker. (HoN style)
If the game play feels like Dota I will definitely buy it.
I don't really know, why people would stick to WC3 though.
You can't even play a normal game there...leavers, disconnects etc.
WoW models? You must be kidding...btw Blizzard does not want us to use there models.
No one wants another Dota in SC2. The engine does not work that fine for competitive play since you cant reconnect etc.
The biggest fun on Dota were the heroes. They were unique and fun to play since they were so different to play. Thats something I missed in LoL all the time so I quit long time ago. Btw The community of LoL sucks balls. Dota 2 will get a huge community and the way I know Valve, they won't do a shitty game.
Just to throw some experience in here: You know whats most fun in LoL? To amok rush in every time and die like 10 times, but getting all Items you need since you don't lose gold for dying. LoL is perfect for noobs who want easy game-play and a skill cap. The same reason denying was removed I guess. I know a lot of guys enjoying LoL, but I lost my interest since its to simple made. And every one week another hero? Gosh....
At all guys above: Did you secretly play Dota2 already? You sure talk like that.