He effectively agrees with you. Both of you say that there can be some kind of middle ground so I think you can leave it at that. You even mentioned how he just said that there could be a middle ground so your first paragraph criticizing him wasn't really necessary.
What you disagree on isn't how the system can be improved, but rather how we can get Blizzard to improve it. You say that by simply asking some more, Blizzard will fix the system while he states that we need to do something else to show Blizzard we're serious about our dislike of the system in its current state.
They should just make the popularity system optional, have both the old AND the new. Feeling lazy? Don't wanna look for a map? Wanna just join a quick tug game? Go to the popularity system and play nexus wars. However if you'd like to see a wide array of maps, all of which you KNOW have people playing them, you use the old system. I've said from the moment they mentioned the publishing/popularity system, they need to make it OPTIONAL. I'm sure some people (god knows why) enjoy the new system, many more don't. So making it optional and giving people a choice is the best of both worlds. EVERYONES happy.
This is exactly what I want. I agree wholeheartedly and have voiced this opinion in the past. Keep both systems. Best of both worlds. But as you have said, Blizzard is stubborn and this is why we need to do something like your 5 min map boosting. Maybe you can make a separate topic for this so we can have a place to rally map makers to this idea?
Absolute nonsense. Popularity systems are common systems and can work. Not having a popularity system will not help anything. How are you going to find the most popular maps out of thousands of maps, without a popularity system? You aren't.
You could easily find the most popular maps in the old BNet system (WC3). The most popular maps would turn up more often. There were problems with that system too, but overall it worked out much better in that new maps that weren't popular yet would turn up too. Some kind of compromise between the popularity system and the old system would be ideal. What needs to be done is to bring back the old system, and then also allow users to search for specific maps when joining.
We should try to organize all the map makers out there, have everyone make some shitty five minute map where each player starts with a lone marine and is trapped in a box with nothing to do. And then boost the fuck out them all. So the first two pages are nothing but the same shitty map. I'd love to see Blizzard's response to that.
Yes. This would be wonderful and much more doable than shutting down the map-making communities (since some people would continue to publish maps even in the absence of communities). Blizzard can't ignore this though and it only requires a few people making lame 5 minute maps and boosting them to the top. Please do this. Making the maps itself would take no time too so that's a plus =D
We should pool creative ideas for lame maps. Marine trapped in a box is a good one. Hm, what other lame maps can we make? We could give everyone a Nexus with no resources or probes! That would be a fun map too!
The only reason I bought WC3 was because of the custom maps. I spent a total of about 2 hours out of the 200+ hours I spent playing the game on the first mission or 2 of the campaign and a couple skirmishes. The other 200+ hours were spent playing customs. Customs defined my WC3 experience.
Now, understanding that I value customs immensely, I am going to say this:
Please do not publish your custom maps. Continue making your maps for fun, but do not publish them. I know you can't test them, but if you absolutely need to test them, then just quit map making. If people stop publishing customs altogether in protest of the popularity system, Blizzard WILL change the system. Blizzard values usermade content as can be seen by the fact that they had a custom game presentation at Blizzcon, they made significant improvements to the world editor, and they had a custom map contest. They know that custom content attracts many players to their games and do not want people to stop publishing maps.
So, stop publishing your maps and Blizzard will give in to our requests.
I know that this post is wishful thinking. People will continue to publish maps... maybe if the webmasters of the major map making communities agree to temporarily take their websites offline this will work. Sixen, will you consider it? Take sc2mapster offline for a while and see if Blizzard reacts? (talk to other mapmaking communities and try to get them to take down their sites to as sc2mapster alone isn't enough)
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He effectively agrees with you. Both of you say that there can be some kind of middle ground so I think you can leave it at that. You even mentioned how he just said that there could be a middle ground so your first paragraph criticizing him wasn't really necessary.
What you disagree on isn't how the system can be improved, but rather how we can get Blizzard to improve it. You say that by simply asking some more, Blizzard will fix the system while he states that we need to do something else to show Blizzard we're serious about our dislike of the system in its current state.
This is exactly what I want. I agree wholeheartedly and have voiced this opinion in the past. Keep both systems. Best of both worlds. But as you have said, Blizzard is stubborn and this is why we need to do something like your 5 min map boosting. Maybe you can make a separate topic for this so we can have a place to rally map makers to this idea?
You could easily find the most popular maps in the old BNet system (WC3). The most popular maps would turn up more often. There were problems with that system too, but overall it worked out much better in that new maps that weren't popular yet would turn up too. Some kind of compromise between the popularity system and the old system would be ideal. What needs to be done is to bring back the old system, and then also allow users to search for specific maps when joining.
Yes. This would be wonderful and much more doable than shutting down the map-making communities (since some people would continue to publish maps even in the absence of communities). Blizzard can't ignore this though and it only requires a few people making lame 5 minute maps and boosting them to the top. Please do this. Making the maps itself would take no time too so that's a plus =D
We should pool creative ideas for lame maps. Marine trapped in a box is a good one. Hm, what other lame maps can we make? We could give everyone a Nexus with no resources or probes! That would be a fun map too!
The only reason I bought WC3 was because of the custom maps. I spent a total of about 2 hours out of the 200+ hours I spent playing the game on the first mission or 2 of the campaign and a couple skirmishes. The other 200+ hours were spent playing customs. Customs defined my WC3 experience.
Now, understanding that I value customs immensely, I am going to say this:
Please do not publish your custom maps. Continue making your maps for fun, but do not publish them. I know you can't test them, but if you absolutely need to test them, then just quit map making. If people stop publishing customs altogether in protest of the popularity system, Blizzard WILL change the system. Blizzard values usermade content as can be seen by the fact that they had a custom game presentation at Blizzcon, they made significant improvements to the world editor, and they had a custom map contest. They know that custom content attracts many players to their games and do not want people to stop publishing maps.
So, stop publishing your maps and Blizzard will give in to our requests.
I know that this post is wishful thinking. People will continue to publish maps... maybe if the webmasters of the major map making communities agree to temporarily take their websites offline this will work. Sixen, will you consider it? Take sc2mapster offline for a while and see if Blizzard reacts? (talk to other mapmaking communities and try to get them to take down their sites to as sc2mapster alone isn't enough)