I released a new map a few days ago and am currently simply testing it with friends. It now sits at the bottom of page 3 just from testing it. To test I simply went to the "Looking For Custom Games" channel and asked people to help test, it takes a few minutes, but it isn't impossible. Now if I join the lobby I can usually see a few people actually trying to play.
I honestly think everyone is exaggerating how bad the popularity system is. If you want your map to get to page 3 it is entirely possible and if anyone likes your map it will stay at page 3 and maybe even start to rise over time.
At page 4 I would say it becomes possible to actually get a game full of players and simply play your map and it really isn't that hard to get to page 4. It takes a little effort, sure, but it is entirely possible.
I'm not saying the maps at the top are the best, but they are the maps people have enjoyed enough that every time they reset the popularity those maps rise back to the top again and again.
You may have noticed some maps were once at the top and have now completely vanished. To me this means people were only playing it because it was new, they wanted to try it, and they could actually play it. But if a map stays at the top through multiple resets I genuinely believe it deserves to be there and is a map that is well made for its genre.
@Soga
I agree that people SHOULDN'T care if their map is popular and SHOULD only care that they can play it whenever. But they actually CAN do that right now. As I said above go to the "Looking for Custom Games" channel and ask people to play. They WILL and you will make some friends in the process that you can later ask to play and it will be even EASIER. But everyone still says they can NEVER play their map when they are actually just bitching that their map isn't popular.
I entirely agree and they really do need to make some changes soon to the popularity system.
It is way too hard to test new maps and obviously niche maps are difficult to play at any time. This really only requires some minor changes IMO.
My main point was that there are so many mappers on these forums and on the official custom maps forums that think that because their map isn't at the top of the list, that the popularity system is broken and that it is Blizzard's fault that no one likes their maps. While, at least in the case of the post this topic is referring to, it is really just a mapper who is way too full of themselves and thinks that his maps are better than everyone else's. Basically I just want people to take a step back and realize that not every map ever made deserves to be popular.
I agree the popularity system needs some changes, but it isn't the main problem with why some of these maps aren't being played.
Everyone needs to stop blaming Blizzard and take a second to ask themselves if their map is actually fun before they go around saying it's all the popularity system's fault.
At the very least, stop calling out other maps and saying that your own map is better. It just makes you look like a douche. (Not directed at you Motive)
Take Smashcraft, it is really well made, polished and probably balanced (Only played it once).
But it isn't FUN. THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS TO PEOPLE AND 9/10 OF THE PEOPLE ON THESE FORUMS CAN'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
Now I'm not saying it isn't fun for anyone at all, obviously some people will enjoy it, but most people including myself, really just don't find it enjoyable.
Everyone here blames the popularity system for their maps failing, but in all honestly that isn't the problem.
The problem is most of you are trying to make overly complex and polished maps. These may be fun for a niche group of people, but MOST people will NOT enjoy them at all. I used to map like this back in Warcraft 3 and I bet none of you have ever heard of any of my maps from there.
Basically I'm saying stop blaming Blizzard and other people because not everyone loves the shit out of your maps.
Stop and think for one second and realize that you simply aren't the best mapper ever in the whole wide world and that maybe you should put some more time into thinking about how to make a map fun and less time into thinking about how to make it complicated and fancy.
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@Oatin: Go
I am on the NA servers. Also if everyone starts doing this, it probably won't work anymore. :P
@ZealNaga: Go
I released a new map a few days ago and am currently simply testing it with friends. It now sits at the bottom of page 3 just from testing it. To test I simply went to the "Looking For Custom Games" channel and asked people to help test, it takes a few minutes, but it isn't impossible. Now if I join the lobby I can usually see a few people actually trying to play.
I honestly think everyone is exaggerating how bad the popularity system is. If you want your map to get to page 3 it is entirely possible and if anyone likes your map it will stay at page 3 and maybe even start to rise over time.
At page 4 I would say it becomes possible to actually get a game full of players and simply play your map and it really isn't that hard to get to page 4. It takes a little effort, sure, but it is entirely possible.
I'm not saying the maps at the top are the best, but they are the maps people have enjoyed enough that every time they reset the popularity those maps rise back to the top again and again.
You may have noticed some maps were once at the top and have now completely vanished. To me this means people were only playing it because it was new, they wanted to try it, and they could actually play it. But if a map stays at the top through multiple resets I genuinely believe it deserves to be there and is a map that is well made for its genre.
@Soga I agree that people SHOULDN'T care if their map is popular and SHOULD only care that they can play it whenever. But they actually CAN do that right now. As I said above go to the "Looking for Custom Games" channel and ask people to play. They WILL and you will make some friends in the process that you can later ask to play and it will be even EASIER. But everyone still says they can NEVER play their map when they are actually just bitching that their map isn't popular.
@TheSkunk2: Go
I entirely agree and they really do need to make some changes soon to the popularity system. It is way too hard to test new maps and obviously niche maps are difficult to play at any time. This really only requires some minor changes IMO.
My main point was that there are so many mappers on these forums and on the official custom maps forums that think that because their map isn't at the top of the list, that the popularity system is broken and that it is Blizzard's fault that no one likes their maps. While, at least in the case of the post this topic is referring to, it is really just a mapper who is way too full of themselves and thinks that his maps are better than everyone else's. Basically I just want people to take a step back and realize that not every map ever made deserves to be popular.
I agree the popularity system needs some changes, but it isn't the main problem with why some of these maps aren't being played. Everyone needs to stop blaming Blizzard and take a second to ask themselves if their map is actually fun before they go around saying it's all the popularity system's fault.
At the very least, stop calling out other maps and saying that your own map is better. It just makes you look like a douche. (Not directed at you Motive)
You guys really don't get it do you?
Take Smashcraft, it is really well made, polished and probably balanced (Only played it once).
But it isn't FUN. THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS TO PEOPLE AND 9/10 OF THE PEOPLE ON THESE FORUMS CAN'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THAT. Now I'm not saying it isn't fun for anyone at all, obviously some people will enjoy it, but most people including myself, really just don't find it enjoyable.
Everyone here blames the popularity system for their maps failing, but in all honestly that isn't the problem. The problem is most of you are trying to make overly complex and polished maps. These may be fun for a niche group of people, but MOST people will NOT enjoy them at all. I used to map like this back in Warcraft 3 and I bet none of you have ever heard of any of my maps from there.
Basically I'm saying stop blaming Blizzard and other people because not everyone loves the shit out of your maps. Stop and think for one second and realize that you simply aren't the best mapper ever in the whole wide world and that maybe you should put some more time into thinking about how to make a map fun and less time into thinking about how to make it complicated and fancy.