SC2Mapster

i edited my post, so i dont know if $4 is the same #4 u mentioned. i usually edit my posts like that, and it gets less and less rude/cocky, and more and more what i intend to say more clearly.

hmmm bypass roaches eh? u may be onto something.. just skip them altogether u say, hmmm. immortals do more damage/mineral to ground than roach... roach + hydra results in 75% slow whereas just one type alone results in 50% slow... so diminishing returns... if u put the roach money into hydras and immortals, your snares would be more effective too...

ah, good old micro to squeeze out more better damage distribution =] i love that.

the huge upgrading time IS very luxurious... In my experience on hard, with mynear-5-pass setup, there was plenty of time to upgrade even if the train was passing through you and your tower was completely idle for one entire pass. it could be that that is not possible on the insane mode though. but i doubt it. xp

hey u know what? i think u just came up with a great name for a difficulty settting: "impossible"

edit: u beat it. congrats! =] ignore what i wrote here hah

@dog 22

ur map is pretty cool. i didn't think about using that L shaped area like that. http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/8858/cubedog22.png

suggestion:

• i would open that bottom area under the 2nd destination, and wall off vertically, as indicated in white. then they get hit a lot right off the bat, and THEN travel a long distance, resulting in a full pass. the first yellow line is sort of wasted b/c they travel all that time without getting hit first.

things i notice:

1. u make SUCH amazingly good usage and get the most out of out the first 3 waypoints. however, the path to point 4 and 5 are essentially wasted. it will be an overall gain to utilize the 4th and 5th way points, even if it means sacrificing the ultra efficient setups you've come up with for the first 3.
2. btw, u did use more hydras and roachs in more various locations right? it's just that u forgot to add them on the editor?
3. ur using a lot of bunkers to create those paths. there are ways to get more out of less walls.
4. "windings" like the area circled are not very effective at all b/c the train is super long. the extra distance created by the pathing is what fraction of the total train's length? this results in a very partial pass, as opposed to a full or close-to-full pass. if the distance created is much longer, then that gives the towers more firing time (more total damage output). - likewise, very clever usage of the L, but the area marked in a horseshoe shape is not very long either compared to the train's length.

• in both cases of winding areas, ur putting a lot of money into walling for comparatively little gain. u can have other setups that give comparable/better output with less money going into walling.

i tried playing around with your setup like this, http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/2742/dubedog22sug.png but if theres not gonna be the loop in the L, there's no point in having all the immortals positioned far to the right like that. plus, those positions force you to sacrifice two way points, which is worth way more than what you'd get by doing a loop thru the L (not to mention the huge # of bunkers)

something like this would give u just as long of a separation time with naturally existing walls. http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3607/dog22sug3.png The last 2 waypoints are not wasted, and they cause the enemy to travel a relatively long distance thru your immortals again twice. these extra passes can be thought of as making up for not passing thru the L.

btw level 2 bunker tower is slightly less cost efficient.

2 minerals for a new ground tower = 16 dps. 6 minerals for 3 ground towers = 48 dps 6 minerals for one level 2 ground tower = 40 dps.

did u intend it that way? - to encourage level 1 towers (more initial mazing) - and to place a sort of initial cost to upgrading, so that there is a period of inefficiency b4 it gets way efficient?

@dog, 11 times? definitely do share sometime.

here's the steps i use to make picture.

1. do your setup on the editor.
2. under "view", select "view entire map"
3. take a screenshot (screenshots don't work if u do it in game)
4. paste to paint
5. upload to imageshack

i understand. but i dont think it's a huge issue since the player gets punished just slightly if units skip over their maze. but of course it would be better to fix it. but i would agree that it's not really high priority.

u bring up a good point about repeatedly selling a cannon or bunker.

whats the IRC channel?

just to let u know, im playing around with the health values on insane mode based on the .71 version to materialize a ballpark candidate for insane mode that requires smart pathing.

so far, lvl 1 = 400 hp lvl 2 = 1250 hp lvl 3 = 2250 hp.

compared to the current health values for insane, u may be thinking WTF is this guy for reals? But rest assured with the simple early wall, it's plenty doable. my goal is to have it be so that u need to do this lil trick, which in turns enlightens players about how much more efficient a setup with the same amount of turrets can be, if u use pathing. it also puts as REAL challenge on self-proclaimed master TD-ers =]

when u build a building right on top of the unit in a certain way, especially along the edges of the water, the unit will ride the edge and go to its designation, skipping your maze.

was this what the the changeling pathing fix referring to? it happens for reapers and supply depots from my personal experience, and possibly all units.

i figured out the snare attack bug: it's only for tiny cruiser. all your airwaves have no option to attack. u disabled them. but it seems u forgot to disable attack for battlecruisers. edit: looks like u figured it out 9 minutes b4 i did xp

btw, is there any way the editor can allow fast forwarding? the function would be exceptionally useful for TD maps

question: where in the editor controls the custom colors and attack effects?