In short: Be wise, avoid being greedy and pissing people off because you want to charge one dollar per map.
Karma's a bitch, as what goes around comes around.
Why would you get pissed? If you don't have money that's too bad. You don't have $100 you cant get collector's edition of SC2. Why should Blizzard be sorry about you and reduce the price? No such thing. I/mappers never force you to pay us $1 or $4.99. Never. Stop telling us what to do.
Funny you mention Karma. You don't have money. Heck yeah Karma's a bitch. Maybe your parents did something bad back then. There goes Karma, now u r homeless and poor, dont even have 99c to buy map...
But you DON'T really rely on SC2 to put bread on the table, that's a stupid idea.
For developers and modders, making money off of this is more like chump change, not a "Wham-Bam Thank You KA-CHING!". I'd expect average mapper and modders to make a few bucks and probably up to 100 bucks average on a popular sale. But it's always a smart idea to NOT let greed get the best of you and ruin your reputation because you made every single map costs money and everyone starts copying that.
At that point, the marketplace will divide into, quality 'decent' maps for a dollar, and crap maps for free or a few cents.
I think its smarter for blizzard themselves to judge the value of your maps and players will have to discuss the pricing with the publisher themselves... But then again, capitalism and greed will ensue because some publishers likes to profit as much as possible...
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In short: Be wise, avoid being greedy and pissing people off because you want to charge one dollar per map 'to put bread on the table', you can achieve the same thing without pissing people off by asking them to 'donate' instead and offer the map for free, which results in a harder to gauge revenue but at least its free and people who really likes it may pay you for it (hence becomes a matter of proving your worth to the community, and not your biased feelings on how much your map is worth).
Because as I see it, SC2 mappers are NOBODY compared to game modders and developers in the indies industry and the game industry. Your roles are miniscule and you gotta understand how much you are trying to bite off the game industry. You can be the popular guy who invented dota, but still is small time unless you start making actual games (I think he was well known in the WC3 community but nowhere else at the time).
Yes you aren't entitled to freebies, but you also aren't entitled to be paid for anything.
Karma's a bitch, as what goes around comes around.
If you don't want to spend money don't buy it then. As simple as that. I just want you to stfu. just stfu.
Dont lecture us what to do with our maps period. Let us decide to put or not to put price tags ourselves. Your opinion is worthless. I trust Blizzard judgement on this. Even Blizzard is supporting putting price tags. Why should I listen to you.
And your words are words of cowards. You basically just told this community that we suck, we cant do shit, we should quit modding, and stop trying so hard to get into game industry. Don't tell us what we can't do.
If you are a smart bastard who goes to school and graduates from college, you would have financial support because you are able to get a job. The real world really is "Why should I pay you for what you offer" and the real world really is cruel to such developers.
Grow up.
People want to know the value of what they are buying, BEFORE they buy it. They would want to know if it's already offered for free somewhere else, and if there's other ways to get it for free first. This is a natural way of thinking and you know that, deep down inside that people will consider testing free stuff before buying ANYTHING on the marketplace.
SC2 Marketplace will likely also be full of plagiarism, so no one will buy because of the fear of loss of money over something that can be free (they don't care if its legit or not).
Thank God Angry Birds developers didn't listen to you bro... Otherwise they wouldn't be Billionaire as they are today.
And this holds true for many other mini-games developers too...
I know you never got a chance to enjoy Angry Birds because you're poor, ignorance, cheap, and don't want to pay 99c for stupid games like that.
REALLY... damn this took about 6 hours for me to figure out LOL.
And that was with the help of two people.
Damn... Making maps is sooo easyyy, straighforward!! Everything should be free. No pricetag whatsoever!
I agree with you maps should be free, and mapping should just be for fun, not for a living. I just hate your posts when you sound as if making maps is super easy, everything should be free... Even making TD is full of shit you know.
and even if they didnt make a return system, weather a mapmaker is selling his maps or not, their should still be a donate button, if nothing else, because good maps will be donated to, I can guarantee that.
at the same time, I dont think ANYONE should quit their jobs thinking their going to make major money off SC2 maps, its just not going to happen
out of 4 million poeple, MAYBE 10% will buy a map
thats 400000 sales, of those 10% 50-60% will buy more then one map 600000 sales per year maybe
Take Age of empires online they did that same thing, Free 2 play with micropurchases their not doing too well. Thats Microsoft, and it doesnt require SC2 to buy its maps/addons.
if you have the best map there is maybe 30,000$ take blizzards percentage, 22,000$ then if your making a map good enough to be top map for a whole year. im sure theres a team of people you have to cut in, after all is said in done its in the mid to low thousands. I doubt any 2 man team is going to make the greatest Mod ever.
Sure you can make SOMEthing, but it wont be enough to live off.
Proof that you know nothing.
Who are you to tell us to quit or to not quit our job? Man u don't even have a job (you admitted yourself).
SC2 has sold over 5M copies as of May 2011. Now probably more. 10%? how/what do you know? LoL 70%+ has bought the costume, and it costs $10-$40, just for a costume.
Age of Empire is not doing well?Doh! They charge $100 for 1 year premium content. They're dumb.
How do you know Blizzard will take 75%? More like 30% dumbfucks. Max 50%. It has been the standard for appstore. Man you really know nothing. That's why I said you need a smartphone to talk about this, otherwise you just make yourself sounds so stupid and brainless.
Why do you talk all these? You joined this community since 2010. No mapping contribution whatsoever, and then all the sudden you show up and posted 31posts telling us that we should not put pricetag in our maps? Who are you?? Just stop lecturing us what to do with our maps. We'll do what's necessary whether to put pricetags or not.
Let's talk mapping shall we? Oh I forgot you don't even know how to rename Baneling to Tomatoling =) Need some help?
Look at you 30 posts and all talking about asking the mappers to give away free maps. Man go contribute some mapping stuff rather than bitching about us map makers putting some pricetags on our maps.
@BasharTeg: Go
On a side note, im not replying to that other idiots post, hes just trying to get the discussion off topic.
Poor, homeless, idiot, what else? Pussy? Ohhh we got a pussy here!
Create us some quality maps for free then talk. Otherwise stfu! People like you are much more annoying than Rodrigo, Dogmai, or Mephs. Those three talks a lot but they are smart, and their works are qualities. Unlike you.
I created things with legos when I was a kid, also. Me and my brother had even created a judicial and combat system for it, hahah. But I also know three other people I played legos with who never got into mapping. So I think a better question would be...who hasn't played with legos?
I know one guy who doesn't play LEGO. his name in mapster is rageofhell. He kept bitching about putting pricetag in your map ever since he was born.
Oh he's so poor too. I put a direct link to his URL in case you guys want to PM him and send him some money =)
... my point exactly, Some people dont need an electronic device wherever they go... just something to distract someone and cause a wreck...
homeless? just because i dont use cellphones, doesnt mean i dont know how to use them, and it certainly doesnt mean im stupid as you... I hate to tell you, but having a cell phone does not make one intelligent...
I dont real electronic books does that make me stupid too, are people who only read paper books stupid...
Its morons like you who cant read and write and make america looks stupid...
Having smartphone is very important in this flaming conversation. Ever heard of Appstore? Angry Birds starts at appstore and now worth Billions. Appstore alone has contributed $3Billion+ to developers. Imagine everything is free, there will be no incentives to create quality apps/games. Developers will die hungry. And thus there will be no hundreds of millions people got entertained by those amazing games.
One thing you don't understand: Money makes world goes around. Crappy maps shouldn't have price tags? Doh!! crappy maps won't make it. Even in WC3 crappy maps won't make it. Putting pricetags just means nobody will even touch it dumbfucks. Use your brain. Oh wait! you dont have it =)
Homeless because you are soooo cheap it sounds as if you are soo poor. What's your paypal? If you need money let me know, I'll send you some.
Just accept my challenge will you? Remake WC3 campaign using the Editor, and give it to us for free. Thanks! Let's see if you can indeed do that. And if indeed you can do that, after spending thousands of hours remaking and repolishing your maps, Let me know if you still don't have that urge to put a pricetag.
- Only torrent games I've already bought before (mostly emulator games) and warcraft 2(5 copies is too damn many)
-i am currently learning the system, Ive made several maps, but those were on Warcraft 2 and Starcraft 1.
-and quit flaming a post you stupid homo...
As expected. No cell phones. You know nothing!
No I won't stop flaming you. You are nothing but a cancer.
Heck cmon, why don't you re-make WC3 yourself, and put it for free for all of us? With that little brain of yours I doubt you can even finish mission 1. Useless pos. I'll see you in the nearest soup kitchen you poor homeless kid!
@rageofhell: If everyone's like you, sooner or later, developers will die hungry.
I bet you don't have smartphone eh? ohhh!! You jailbreak/root your phone, hence pirate all those apps? I bet your PC has all those torrents actively downloading. Man we don't need cheapo like you. You're nothing but a cancer to developers/programmer.
What about this, Why don't you make a great map then release it for free for us?? Would you do that? Answer this. I challenge you. Make a map, spend thousands of hours until it's good enough, then release it for free. If you're able to do that, I'll follow your path.
Oh right, you can't cos you know nothing about development you parasite. You should be ashamed of yourself.
If everyone's like you, sooner or later, developers will die hungry.
I bet you don't have smartphone eh? ohhh!! You jailbreak/root your phone, hence pirate all those apps? I bet your PC has all those torrents actively downloading. Man we don't need cheapo like you. You're nothing but a cancer to developers/programmer.
What about this, Why don't you make a great map then release it for free for us?? Would you do that? Answer this. I challenge you. Make a map, spend thousands of hours until it's good enough, then release it for free. If you're able to do that, I'll follow your path.
Oh right, you can't cos you know nothing about development you parasite. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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Why would you get pissed? If you don't have money that's too bad. You don't have $100 you cant get collector's edition of SC2. Why should Blizzard be sorry about you and reduce the price? No such thing. I/mappers never force you to pay us $1 or $4.99. Never. Stop telling us what to do.
Funny you mention Karma. You don't have money. Heck yeah Karma's a bitch. Maybe your parents did something bad back then. There goes Karma, now u r homeless and poor, dont even have 99c to buy map...
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If you don't want to spend money don't buy it then. As simple as that. I just want you to stfu. just stfu.
Dont lecture us what to do with our maps period. Let us decide to put or not to put price tags ourselves. Your opinion is worthless. I trust Blizzard judgement on this. Even Blizzard is supporting putting price tags. Why should I listen to you.
And your words are words of cowards. You basically just told this community that we suck, we cant do shit, we should quit modding, and stop trying so hard to get into game industry. Don't tell us what we can't do.
STFU Bro. Thanks Bye
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Thank God Angry Birds developers didn't listen to you bro... Otherwise they wouldn't be Billionaire as they are today.
And this holds true for many other mini-games developers too...
I know you never got a chance to enjoy Angry Birds because you're poor, ignorance, cheap, and don't want to pay 99c for stupid games like that.
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Lulz. Rename your map to Corrupted "Scrolls" RPG
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This troll has contributed much more to the community. Vs one guy who wish everything was free... hmmm...
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Damn... Making maps is sooo easyyy, straighforward!! Everything should be free. No pricetag whatsoever!
I agree with you maps should be free, and mapping should just be for fun, not for a living. I just hate your posts when you sound as if making maps is super easy, everything should be free... Even making TD is full of shit you know.
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Yeah, making map is soooo easy, effortless, every map should be free!!!
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Proof that you know nothing.
Who are you to tell us to quit or to not quit our job? Man u don't even have a job (you admitted yourself).
SC2 has sold over 5M copies as of May 2011. Now probably more. 10%? how/what do you know? LoL 70%+ has bought the costume, and it costs $10-$40, just for a costume.
Age of Empire is not doing well?Doh! They charge $100 for 1 year premium content. They're dumb.
How do you know Blizzard will take 75%? More like 30% dumbfucks. Max 50%. It has been the standard for appstore. Man you really know nothing. That's why I said you need a smartphone to talk about this, otherwise you just make yourself sounds so stupid and brainless.
Why do you talk all these? You joined this community since 2010. No mapping contribution whatsoever, and then all the sudden you show up and posted 31posts telling us that we should not put pricetag in our maps? Who are you?? Just stop lecturing us what to do with our maps. We'll do what's necessary whether to put pricetags or not.
Let's talk mapping shall we? Oh I forgot you don't even know how to rename Baneling to Tomatoling =) Need some help?
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@rageofhell: Go
Look at you 30 posts and all talking about asking the mappers to give away free maps. Man go contribute some mapping stuff rather than bitching about us map makers putting some pricetags on our maps.
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Poor, homeless, idiot, what else? Pussy? Ohhh we got a pussy here!
Create us some quality maps for free then talk. Otherwise stfu! People like you are much more annoying than Rodrigo, Dogmai, or Mephs. Those three talks a lot but they are smart, and their works are qualities. Unlike you.
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I know one guy who doesn't play LEGO. his name in mapster is rageofhell. He kept bitching about putting pricetag in your map ever since he was born.
Oh he's so poor too. I put a direct link to his URL in case you guys want to PM him and send him some money =)
http://www.sc2mapster.com/profiles/rageofhell/
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Having smartphone is very important in this flaming conversation. Ever heard of Appstore? Angry Birds starts at appstore and now worth Billions. Appstore alone has contributed $3Billion+ to developers. Imagine everything is free, there will be no incentives to create quality apps/games. Developers will die hungry. And thus there will be no hundreds of millions people got entertained by those amazing games.
One thing you don't understand: Money makes world goes around. Crappy maps shouldn't have price tags? Doh!! crappy maps won't make it. Even in WC3 crappy maps won't make it. Putting pricetags just means nobody will even touch it dumbfucks. Use your brain. Oh wait! you dont have it =)
Homeless because you are soooo cheap it sounds as if you are soo poor. What's your paypal? If you need money let me know, I'll send you some.
Just accept my challenge will you? Remake WC3 campaign using the Editor, and give it to us for free. Thanks! Let's see if you can indeed do that. And if indeed you can do that, after spending thousands of hours remaking and repolishing your maps, Let me know if you still don't have that urge to put a pricetag.
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As expected. No cell phones. You know nothing!
No I won't stop flaming you. You are nothing but a cancer.
Heck cmon, why don't you re-make WC3 yourself, and put it for free for all of us? With that little brain of yours I doubt you can even finish mission 1. Useless pos. I'll see you in the nearest soup kitchen you poor homeless kid!
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This!
@rageofhell: If everyone's like you, sooner or later, developers will die hungry.
I bet you don't have smartphone eh? ohhh!! You jailbreak/root your phone, hence pirate all those apps? I bet your PC has all those torrents actively downloading. Man we don't need cheapo like you. You're nothing but a cancer to developers/programmer.
What about this, Why don't you make a great map then release it for free for us?? Would you do that? Answer this. I challenge you. Make a map, spend thousands of hours until it's good enough, then release it for free. If you're able to do that, I'll follow your path.
Oh right, you can't cos you know nothing about development you parasite. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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If everyone's like you, sooner or later, developers will die hungry.
I bet you don't have smartphone eh? ohhh!! You jailbreak/root your phone, hence pirate all those apps? I bet your PC has all those torrents actively downloading. Man we don't need cheapo like you. You're nothing but a cancer to developers/programmer.
What about this, Why don't you make a great map then release it for free for us?? Would you do that? Answer this. I challenge you. Make a map, spend thousands of hours until it's good enough, then release it for free. If you're able to do that, I'll follow your path.
Oh right, you can't cos you know nothing about development you parasite. You should be ashamed of yourself.