1v1obs does the job and iCJug doesn't bring enough to the table to warrant the wait time. Both these maps are basically tools, and they both work.
Umm, this simply supports most of the arguments that have been made here. You just admitted that ICJug is better, but not enough to warrant the wait time. Where in another system, iCJug would be more popular b/c it's better and wait time wouldn't be a factor. I'm done feeding you.
That Blizzard experiment above concludes that no matter how you try to mix it, most players still look for SotiS, Marine Arena, Star Battle even if it's burried in page 56 or 89 or whatever. And those maps that have been given a chance to occupy top pages are still not performing well (in terms of popularity).
No, I'm sorry but this statement is the one that isn't entirely accurate. People search for those maps b/c they already know them. Someone on the Blizz SC2 forum put it nicely. It's inertia, objects in motion stay in motion. The reason people search for these maps is because they know they can get a game with them. That doesn't make them good, it just makes them able to play something without waiting, and in our instant gratification society, not having to wait is king.
I will grant that, most of the maps on page one are pretty polished, but that's because they get the plays and get the feedback, and thus continue to get updated. I played marine arena in Beta, it wasn't as polished as it is now, but it still got popular and is still popular because people know the name.
It's knowing the name. Just like brand recognition in advertising. Do the generic ravioli's really taste that much different than Chef Boyrdee? No, but you know the name so you're likely going to buy that one.
@Rodrigo I'm pretty sure Eiviyn is just trolling at this point.
I am absolutely dumfounded by your position. This is the kind of ignorant statement that can only be made by someone who has clearly never spent time playing maps past page one or is only trying to troll. I make it a point to play maps at page 10+ just to try things out and I have found numerous games that were really fun, but would never get to page 1 b/c it's not already there and people won't join...why because it's not on page one and people won't join. The entire system keeps the known popular and the unknown not. It has nothing to do with quality.
How can you say that you can't find good maps past page one? So you're telling me that if I just created a map and it's awesome, it will be on page 1 no matter what? I'm sorry that's not the case by any means. People have to play a map to get it on page one, it doesn't just start popular b/c it's good.
I'll give you one game that is wonderful and isn't on page one. It's called Flagship Battle. It's a great game, but hasn't got much play time. It's rising on the Up and Coming list and the popularity list b/c it is good. But it's not on page one. Why is that?
I would really love to understand why you think such a thing before I have to fly to Europe and slap some sense into you. I already want to go to meet this hot chick in Cork. It wouldn't be much of a detour and would be worth it.
In addition to posting maps, you should try and get a sticky on the Blizz SC2 forums as well. Post the same [Official] thread and we can all vote it up. Perhaps they'll get the idea before we have to go through all this work and do it themselves.
The point is Exposure. I have heard your argument postured a few times. Now, I understand the average person isn't too bright but the thing is, this argument assumes that people won't even be able to:
A: Figure out that the Map of the Week changes
B: Find the actual name of the Current Map of the Week
C: Search for that name and bookmark it using the provided features.
The problem with the current system that we are trying to resolve is that people don't feel like scrolling through 10+ pages to find something decent to play. They don't want to spend their time finding new things and trying them out. This will take all that out of the equation. Put NEW MAPS on page 1 for people to try, and if they like them, they can find them again when it's posted under the normal name.
This concept doesn't seem to far out there to me...Why is it that some people just aren't getting it? Makes me thing some people just want to have something to argue with.
In addition to posting maps, you should try and get a sticky on the Blizz SC2 forums as well. Post the same [Official] thread and we can all vote it up. Perhaps they'll get the idea before we have to go through all this work and do it themselves.
I tried using this for my map and spent a great deal of time changing all my triggers to work with this setup and couldn't get it to work in the slightest.
The worst part is, to test these triggers, I have to publish my map every time. There has got to be an easier way. If you're still looking at this and can take a look at my triggers (or anyone) it would be much appreciated.
I'm having an issue with weapon actors. When attacking a unit at range, the beam does just fine, however, if the unit I am attacking is right on top of my hero in melee range, the beam will fire off randomly down (south/ V) the map and it looks really bad. What do I need to look for to fix this?
I'm in the middle of TNG season 2 on Netflix right now. I used to watch Star Trek with my Mom when I was younger but back then Data was never this funny.
"Can you please continue the petty bickering, I find it fascinating."
I don't understand why we these two schools of thought have to be mutually exclusive? Why can we not put more effort into supporting the community and helping them make their maps better, while simultaneously attempting to push a community developed system for spotlighting maps?
Supporting the community will raise the quality bar for maps overall and playing eachother's maps will make them popular.
A "Map of the Week" idea will take the resolution out of Blizzard's hands and put it in our own, then we don't have to wait for them at all. And I assure you, Blizzard supports the community coming together to find solutions to issues such as this.
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I have no desire for you to change you opinions. Idle threats aren't made to be taken seriously, just like trolls.
Umm, this simply supports most of the arguments that have been made here. You just admitted that ICJug is better, but not enough to warrant the wait time. Where in another system, iCJug would be more popular b/c it's better and wait time wouldn't be a factor. I'm done feeding you.
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No, I'm sorry but this statement is the one that isn't entirely accurate. People search for those maps b/c they already know them. Someone on the Blizz SC2 forum put it nicely. It's inertia, objects in motion stay in motion. The reason people search for these maps is because they know they can get a game with them. That doesn't make them good, it just makes them able to play something without waiting, and in our instant gratification society, not having to wait is king.
I will grant that, most of the maps on page one are pretty polished, but that's because they get the plays and get the feedback, and thus continue to get updated. I played marine arena in Beta, it wasn't as polished as it is now, but it still got popular and is still popular because people know the name.
It's knowing the name. Just like brand recognition in advertising. Do the generic ravioli's really taste that much different than Chef Boyrdee? No, but you know the name so you're likely going to buy that one.
@Rodrigo I'm pretty sure Eiviyn is just trolling at this point.
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@Eiviyn: Go
I am absolutely dumfounded by your position. This is the kind of ignorant statement that can only be made by someone who has clearly never spent time playing maps past page one or is only trying to troll. I make it a point to play maps at page 10+ just to try things out and I have found numerous games that were really fun, but would never get to page 1 b/c it's not already there and people won't join...why because it's not on page one and people won't join. The entire system keeps the known popular and the unknown not. It has nothing to do with quality.
How can you say that you can't find good maps past page one? So you're telling me that if I just created a map and it's awesome, it will be on page 1 no matter what? I'm sorry that's not the case by any means. People have to play a map to get it on page one, it doesn't just start popular b/c it's good.
I'll give you one game that is wonderful and isn't on page one. It's called Flagship Battle. It's a great game, but hasn't got much play time. It's rising on the Up and Coming list and the popularity list b/c it is good. But it's not on page one. Why is that?
I would really love to understand why you think such a thing before I have to fly to Europe and slap some sense into you. I already want to go to meet this hot chick in Cork. It wouldn't be much of a detour and would be worth it.
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@grenegg: Go
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The point is Exposure. I have heard your argument postured a few times. Now, I understand the average person isn't too bright but the thing is, this argument assumes that people won't even be able to:
The problem with the current system that we are trying to resolve is that people don't feel like scrolling through 10+ pages to find something decent to play. They don't want to spend their time finding new things and trying them out. This will take all that out of the equation. Put NEW MAPS on page 1 for people to try, and if they like them, they can find them again when it's posted under the normal name.
This concept doesn't seem to far out there to me...Why is it that some people just aren't getting it? Makes me thing some people just want to have something to argue with.
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I support this.
In addition to posting maps, you should try and get a sticky on the Blizz SC2 forums as well. Post the same [Official] thread and we can all vote it up. Perhaps they'll get the idea before we have to go through all this work and do it themselves.
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@DaFunk86: Go
They appear to be M3 files in the Data Editor, although I'm not sure how to add/manipulate them.
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I tried using this for my map and spent a great deal of time changing all my triggers to work with this setup and couldn't get it to work in the slightest.
The worst part is, to test these triggers, I have to publish my map every time. There has got to be an easier way. If you're still looking at this and can take a look at my triggers (or anyone) it would be much appreciated.
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I'm having an issue with weapon actors. When attacking a unit at range, the beam does just fine, however, if the unit I am attacking is right on top of my hero in melee range, the beam will fire off randomly down (south/ V) the map and it looks really bad. What do I need to look for to fix this?
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@Draconis3216: Go
I'm in the middle of TNG season 2 on Netflix right now. I used to watch Star Trek with my Mom when I was younger but back then Data was never this funny.
"Can you please continue the petty bickering, I find it fascinating."
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That was awesome.
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@Mephs: Go
Apple already owns your soul. Didn't you hear? They apparently even have more money than the US Gov.
Edit: Well, actually, right now I apparently even have more money than the US Gov.
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I don't like getting info about games before they come out. I like to experience the thing completely fresh for the best experience.
It would be the same way for movies if there were any movies that came out lately that were worth watching.
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I don't understand why we these two schools of thought have to be mutually exclusive? Why can we not put more effort into supporting the community and helping them make their maps better, while simultaneously attempting to push a community developed system for spotlighting maps?
Supporting the community will raise the quality bar for maps overall and playing eachother's maps will make them popular.
A "Map of the Week" idea will take the resolution out of Blizzard's hands and put it in our own, then we don't have to wait for them at all. And I assure you, Blizzard supports the community coming together to find solutions to issues such as this.
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Map Update:
5 New Heroes Added
Executor Elarae
Lorac the Lightmaster
Bob the Mechanic
Majesty
Col. Vlath
Upcoming:
Hard/ Easy Game Modes
Support for 2 player teams (6 players total)
Different victory methods.