has dogmai ever said anything bad about his own map? its just perfect I suppose...
Actually he has admitted its faults several times and has tried hard to improve it. His maps "Faults" Simply lie in the fact of what he released was a demo. This is not a flame thread dont try to turn it into one, this is a thread talking about SCU Kickstarter making it, and the effects it will have on the community.
You claim to be a realist, yet put countless hours into a mediocre map, all because you have hopes to make money from it based on a vague statement that Blizzard once made at some point. Yeah... I dont buy it.
There's no reason to insult his project, He spent a lot of time perfecting what he did, While yes it was a bit silly to expect money, but Blizzard DID say they were going to implement a map marketplace, many put their faith in that(not me because I thought it was a stupid concept). Now, Please Dont derail this thread any further, Otherwise I can predict the future for you right now, A mod will come in here in about 4-5 post and shut this thread down.... so please talk about the kickstarter and the effects there-of, not attacking someone else for their opinion on it.
Says the guy who always gave kneejerk reactions about paid maps on the arcade and that marketplace idea.
And I stand by that, This was donations which I have usually been a strong advocate of. :P, though I am not a huge fan of kickstarters I am not totally against them either.
Initially we werent sure how the modding community would react to the entire Kickstarter thing, but in the end we were overwhelmed and happy with all the positive feedback you guys have given! :)
Sorry I haven't been more positive about it :P, I just worry a lot about possible outcomes of both sides, I am happy you were able to succeed though. I just didn't think you would, and that would have been bad for everyone. at the very least though some people made some money from the arcade and thats pretty cool.
Ehhh I THINK I know what hes talking about, PM or add me on skype "Faintwolf" ill tell you in detail. (its not what your thinking)
As for the rest, Yeah hes right on a lot of it. except the part where he says he "lost" money, At the end of the day, Blizzard never made any promises, they simply stated it was in the plans, plans change...often, Modding is a hobby, and hobbies VERY rarely earn money, hobbies are something to do in your spare time, If you didnt have a job during this time well.... sorry?. but you haven't "Lost" Money because of mapping. What you did was pursue a job at blizzard selling maps would have never made 400,000. Squad TD only has 50k Reviews, I HIGHLY doubt any map would have been able to sell for more then 1$, So even the top played map would have never exceeded 50k. Chances are more jobs will open soon at blizzard, The arcade and the Melee is failing in Sc2, and they will most likely want to try to pick this back up, because wow will soon be over. and after WoW what will they have.
Just saying Dont give up, but dont put all your eggs into "plans", Plans fall through pretty quickly.
Looks great Triceron, One day I will finally Coerce you to let me grab Mage, DK, Grunt, Footman, And Demon Hunter from you :D haha your models are top notch.
That is quite awesome to hear. Horray for good PR and for dreams coming true.
Well the ball is in blizzards court now.
So we will have to see how they take this, there are 2 possibilities.
1. Blizzard sees this as a huge opportunity, seeing that the arcade with the correct previsions can bring in vast donation money, to vastly improve on the editor. removing some focus from E-Sports.
2. Blizzard sees this as a false sense of security and the updates that we have been getting stop.
Honestly I believe in blizzard and think they will go with the first option, but that 2nd is always there. I have thought about this a lot since this kickstarter opened, and have hit both sides of the argument several times, of course thats what I do, look at the facts, the past, and try to predict the future based on that information :) its quite fun.
There were also 2 options if the kickstarter failed(which I thought would happen, though was proven wrong :D )
1. Blizzard would see that the arcade is dying and really do everything in its power to boost it.
2. Blizzard and the majority of the mapping community would go into further despair
I don't see how, it's not like one is going to make an account and claim to be a developer. And I also can't see one making a post on the battle.net forums just to say that a thread on an unaffiliated site was acknowledged. There's also the fact that they never asked the public, only their small group of recognized mappers, because, you know, they're the only ones skilled with the editor and have viable ideas.
A few things.
1. Yes blizzard does read the un-affiliated sites, though last I heard they were not happy with curse(this is just a RUMOR).
2. They look at all mappers, Though they may have some they look for, I don't think they listen to some more then others. And I doubt that if they do it would be based on skill rather experience with modding communities. Experience>skill.
3. They did ask the public, on the public forums, people just stop posting, When you come across a bug or something you think we need, then post it in the Bugs, Suggestions and Ideas Forum on battle.net they DO read that. trust me when I say, and I repeat, THEY DO READ IT... nearly everything I have personally asked for has been given :) (with exception of larger systems) sooo either they really really love me, or they read everyones, and I doubt I am on the best list to them haha.
hah, I wanted to join, but alas, I lost my glasses in NY, so I can't so much as edit, I have to have the screen zoomed into 200% just to read this. Typing on Muscle memory.
okay SO, i switched it to components list and saw that the data and locale is completely gone, the locale can be re-Generated with easy, but all the data is gone forever.
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Actually he has admitted its faults several times and has tried hard to improve it. His maps "Faults" Simply lie in the fact of what he released was a demo. This is not a flame thread dont try to turn it into one, this is a thread talking about SCU Kickstarter making it, and the effects it will have on the community.
There's no reason to insult his project, He spent a lot of time perfecting what he did, While yes it was a bit silly to expect money, but Blizzard DID say they were going to implement a map marketplace, many put their faith in that(not me because I thought it was a stupid concept). Now, Please Dont derail this thread any further, Otherwise I can predict the future for you right now, A mod will come in here in about 4-5 post and shut this thread down.... so please talk about the kickstarter and the effects there-of, not attacking someone else for their opinion on it.
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I enjoy my experience mapping on battle.net, Though its a huge waste of time I could be putting towards fighting cancer or something.
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And I stand by that, This was donations which I have usually been a strong advocate of. :P, though I am not a huge fan of kickstarters I am not totally against them either.
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Sorry I haven't been more positive about it :P, I just worry a lot about possible outcomes of both sides, I am happy you were able to succeed though. I just didn't think you would, and that would have been bad for everyone. at the very least though some people made some money from the arcade and thats pretty cool.
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Ehhh I THINK I know what hes talking about, PM or add me on skype "Faintwolf" ill tell you in detail. (its not what your thinking)
As for the rest, Yeah hes right on a lot of it. except the part where he says he "lost" money, At the end of the day, Blizzard never made any promises, they simply stated it was in the plans, plans change...often, Modding is a hobby, and hobbies VERY rarely earn money, hobbies are something to do in your spare time, If you didnt have a job during this time well.... sorry?. but you haven't "Lost" Money because of mapping. What you did was pursue a job at blizzard selling maps would have never made 400,000. Squad TD only has 50k Reviews, I HIGHLY doubt any map would have been able to sell for more then 1$, So even the top played map would have never exceeded 50k. Chances are more jobs will open soon at blizzard, The arcade and the Melee is failing in Sc2, and they will most likely want to try to pick this back up, because wow will soon be over. and after WoW what will they have.
Just saying Dont give up, but dont put all your eggs into "plans", Plans fall through pretty quickly.
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@Triceron: Go
Looks great Triceron, One day I will finally Coerce you to let me grab Mage, DK, Grunt, Footman, And Demon Hunter from you :D haha your models are top notch.
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Well the ball is in blizzards court now.
So we will have to see how they take this, there are 2 possibilities.
1. Blizzard sees this as a huge opportunity, seeing that the arcade with the correct previsions can bring in vast donation money, to vastly improve on the editor. removing some focus from E-Sports.
2. Blizzard sees this as a false sense of security and the updates that we have been getting stop.
Honestly I believe in blizzard and think they will go with the first option, but that 2nd is always there. I have thought about this a lot since this kickstarter opened, and have hit both sides of the argument several times, of course thats what I do, look at the facts, the past, and try to predict the future based on that information :) its quite fun.
There were also 2 options if the kickstarter failed(which I thought would happen, though was proven wrong :D )
1. Blizzard would see that the arcade is dying and really do everything in its power to boost it.
2. Blizzard and the majority of the mapping community would go into further despair
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http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/747939120/starcraft-universe yeah congrats, i really didnt think it would make it but i was proven wrong
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A few things.
1. Yes blizzard does read the un-affiliated sites, though last I heard they were not happy with curse(this is just a RUMOR).
2. They look at all mappers, Though they may have some they look for, I don't think they listen to some more then others. And I doubt that if they do it would be based on skill rather experience with modding communities. Experience>skill.
3. They did ask the public, on the public forums, people just stop posting, When you come across a bug or something you think we need, then post it in the Bugs, Suggestions and Ideas Forum on battle.net they DO read that. trust me when I say, and I repeat, THEY DO READ IT... nearly everything I have personally asked for has been given :) (with exception of larger systems) sooo either they really really love me, or they read everyones, and I doubt I am on the best list to them haha.
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@SoulFilcher: Go
There is an attachment point for it, actually its there for nearly every unit, called "Center" Then you just offset it with a Local Offset.
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@houndofbaskerville: Go
hah, I wanted to join, but alas, I lost my glasses in NY, so I can't so much as edit, I have to have the screen zoomed into 200% just to read this. Typing on Muscle memory.
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@DemoniacMilk: Go
If you need any text help, ask on the Mapster IRC.
Also imma just leave this picture here... Whistle*
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okay SO, i switched it to components list and saw that the data and locale is completely gone, the locale can be re-Generated with easy, but all the data is gone forever.
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@Fullachain: Go
I'll take a look at it give me 1 moment.
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@Argutaris: Go
Oh you mean games that take skill to play?