Something new coming from Blizzard, next probably being Hearth-Stone Im guessing.
Thoughts?. Personally I Wasnt impressed with Diablo 3(so many issues), and this expansion looks/feels generic. As some have posted on the video, if it were free great, otherwise another 40 or $60 is probably not worth it. Also, only one new class.
I thought D3 was good, way better then that crappy D2 where if you mess up you have to start all the way over just because of lazy game design, Just disappointed that once again idiots will flock to buy this expansion despite it only being about 10% the original games content. and 80% the originals price. just like LoD... a huge waste of time.
@Vilgath: Go joined 1 hour ago and seems to know everything about mapster's elitists that trash talk newbies.
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree here. I and many other members have been helping newbies for years now. And even in Blizzard forums, when people ask for help, you can find mapster members providing that help, where even Blizzard employees are mostly unresponsive.
And we have moderators helping newbies (DrSuperEvil is the perfect example), working on big projects (AlMaity, Zeldarules and Mozared working on Starmon as one example). So I feel you may be a little biased here, specially because you decided to make those comments on your very first post.
So, be welcome to mapster, and actually take the time to know it and its community. Be sure that if you have problems with the editor you can find help here.
I think you misunderstood, I was not saying that moderators were bad people or anything, I was saying that a few of them are elitist, who don't help anyone hardly, And that most of them are unenthusiastic about furthering the community, meaning despite trying before they have pretty much given up, Though to be fair this is also true about the bulk of the community. This was just an account so my main doesn't get singled out by those who wish to be vindictive.
Here is what happened to get us here, so lets take a quick look back.
1. Curse and Blizzard came into a deal so that only mapster was supported, This caused Hive workshop, Sen and a few others to pretty much have no chance, so some people switched, the rest just quit.
2. People realized that the editor was too difficult to understand when starting/took to long to do simple task, This caused a few top people to leave and pretty much salted the earth to prevent newbies from coming, so now. this knocked down newbies to about 10-20% of what they would have been)
3. The arcade(as it is now called), was found to be a terrible system that was built only for the promise of the map marketplace. (This was confirmed when someone asked a blizzard dev about it in the IRC).
4. The map marketplace was promised, This caused the community to split into 2 groups, the elitist who wished to sell their projects and the guys who thought this was stupid, Well unfortunately this group was again the newbies, so at this point there were only about 5% newcomers that would stay.
5. The community, Filled with elitist and only on a single website where half of the mods were the same, newbies felt threatened, and lost all motivation to continue after finding getting help near impossible.
So now we are down to about .05% newcomers that stay with mapping.
6. The community part 2 - Since most people had either lost their enthusiasm at this point, or had quit and were only sticking around to talk to the other elitist and trash talk newbies, They too started leaving. And with no new influx of newbies coming in growing up to become top mappers, the community as you knew it pretty much died except a very few.
7. All of blizzard attention focusing on E-Sports for 2 years.
NOW lets look as to how this could have been prevented.
1. The editor made simpler.
2. No plans for a map marketplace(this would have killed the plans for the popularity system).
3. Never try to force a merge of the entire community into 1 concentrated area -_- it only causes problems, this should have been obvious.
4. Be a decent and helpful person instead of an elitist.
5. Don't focus on the least popular aspect of your previous game just because it made more money, consider the sales that the most popular aspect earned for the game itself.
So now lets take a look and see what can be done to salvage the community.
1. Browse page, scrambled, top ten list on featured page swapped with top ten newest open games.
2. Any moderation who has lost enthusiasm for the community, be removed from their duties. I wont call out any names though. A body will never move forward if the head is taking a nap.
3. Editor, (Basic Version) Created, This version would have easy create heroes, warcraft 3 style triggers, etc. this editor would automatically change the data so that its in the more advanced editor.
4. The arcade is moved to the new launcher, and made its own platform. Featuring 4 mod packs,Basic, Warcraft, Diablo and starcraft. players will have whichever mod pack depending on which game they own, the basic doesnt require a game at all.
5. Some sort of rewards system is installed for playing arcade projects.
6. The best and brightest mappers get the shovel out of thier ass and start helping and nurturing the newbies so they can become the top mappers of tomorrow.
7. Stop supporting ONLY mapster, go to hive workshop or sen, keep other communities up, there is no reason to be loyal to this site, or any other site. Loyalty will only bring despair and cause more destruction then it will help, centralizing will put a cap on growth.
If those 7 things are done I believe the community would grow exponentially and possibly become many times greater then it was even in its golden age of warcraft 3 (2003-2007).
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I thought D3 was good, way better then that crappy D2 where if you mess up you have to start all the way over just because of lazy game design, Just disappointed that once again idiots will flock to buy this expansion despite it only being about 10% the original games content. and 80% the originals price. just like LoD... a huge waste of time.
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I think you misunderstood, I was not saying that moderators were bad people or anything, I was saying that a few of them are elitist, who don't help anyone hardly, And that most of them are unenthusiastic about furthering the community, meaning despite trying before they have pretty much given up, Though to be fair this is also true about the bulk of the community. This was just an account so my main doesn't get singled out by those who wish to be vindictive.
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Here is what happened to get us here, so lets take a quick look back.
1. Curse and Blizzard came into a deal so that only mapster was supported, This caused Hive workshop, Sen and a few others to pretty much have no chance, so some people switched, the rest just quit.
2. People realized that the editor was too difficult to understand when starting/took to long to do simple task, This caused a few top people to leave and pretty much salted the earth to prevent newbies from coming, so now. this knocked down newbies to about 10-20% of what they would have been)
3. The arcade(as it is now called), was found to be a terrible system that was built only for the promise of the map marketplace. (This was confirmed when someone asked a blizzard dev about it in the IRC).
4. The map marketplace was promised, This caused the community to split into 2 groups, the elitist who wished to sell their projects and the guys who thought this was stupid, Well unfortunately this group was again the newbies, so at this point there were only about 5% newcomers that would stay.
5. The community, Filled with elitist and only on a single website where half of the mods were the same, newbies felt threatened, and lost all motivation to continue after finding getting help near impossible.
So now we are down to about .05% newcomers that stay with mapping.
6. The community part 2 - Since most people had either lost their enthusiasm at this point, or had quit and were only sticking around to talk to the other elitist and trash talk newbies, They too started leaving. And with no new influx of newbies coming in growing up to become top mappers, the community as you knew it pretty much died except a very few.
7. All of blizzard attention focusing on E-Sports for 2 years.
NOW lets look as to how this could have been prevented.
1. The editor made simpler.
2. No plans for a map marketplace(this would have killed the plans for the popularity system).
3. Never try to force a merge of the entire community into 1 concentrated area -_- it only causes problems, this should have been obvious.
4. Be a decent and helpful person instead of an elitist.
5. Don't focus on the least popular aspect of your previous game just because it made more money, consider the sales that the most popular aspect earned for the game itself.
So now lets take a look and see what can be done to salvage the community.
1. Browse page, scrambled, top ten list on featured page swapped with top ten newest open games.
2. Any moderation who has lost enthusiasm for the community, be removed from their duties. I wont call out any names though. A body will never move forward if the head is taking a nap.
3. Editor, (Basic Version) Created, This version would have easy create heroes, warcraft 3 style triggers, etc. this editor would automatically change the data so that its in the more advanced editor.
4. The arcade is moved to the new launcher, and made its own platform. Featuring 4 mod packs,Basic, Warcraft, Diablo and starcraft. players will have whichever mod pack depending on which game they own, the basic doesnt require a game at all.
5. Some sort of rewards system is installed for playing arcade projects.
6. The best and brightest mappers get the shovel out of thier ass and start helping and nurturing the newbies so they can become the top mappers of tomorrow.
7. Stop supporting ONLY mapster, go to hive workshop or sen, keep other communities up, there is no reason to be loyal to this site, or any other site. Loyalty will only bring despair and cause more destruction then it will help, centralizing will put a cap on growth.
If those 7 things are done I believe the community would grow exponentially and possibly become many times greater then it was even in its golden age of warcraft 3 (2003-2007).