@Eiviyn: Go
Does implying I'm pretending make you feel superior, god I hate little bastards like you. ..... since when have you been challenging anything? All you seem to do is ridicule.
Hey, that's the same thing the Taliban say to people (even to other muslims) who disagree with their interpretation of the Quran.
@EternalWraith: Go
You guys should move to a Muslim country and start there by trying to expose the horrible facts of their religion, in the open street. And see where that gets you.
You should read the Bill of Rights sometime within your lifespan.
How can you allow this to turn into not stop just hating on religions. People should not be made to feel like they have to defend their beliefs to the atheists just to have a conversation. How can you let them just sit there and spam their hate?
Pretty disgusting to me, and it angers me to violence.
Taliban much?
And so, we return to the topic of propensity for militancy among religious folks.
I remember seeing the meme using hate and Darth Jesus, but I can't look for it right now, so this will have to do. The pope meme isn't as good.
"Strive to move away from untruth towards truth." - Atharva Veda
Science is the path of truth...oh, you don't believe in science/truth...sorry.
P.S. You get one cookie point if you can point out the irony of my usage of the quote. You get an additional cookie point if you find out the date of the origin of the quote.
P.P.S. “If science proves some belief of Buddhism wrong, then Buddhism will have to change. In my view, science and Buddhism share a search for the truth and for understanding reality. By learning from science about aspects of reality where its understanding may be more advanced, I believe that Buddhism enriches its own worldview.” – Tenzin Gyatso, the 14th Dalai Lama (He who is without sins)
P.P.P.S. "It is well for the heart to be naive and the mind not to be." - Anatole France
Hey you piece of shit.... Don't presume to tell me that the most negative points are the core values. I'm talking about what a childhood of being raised a christian is like in this day and age.
If I met you in real life and you told me as much, I would kick the shit outta you.
That's really christian of you; just one more piece of evidence showing the fallacy, hypocrisy, and evilness of christianity. See? Gradius12 and Eiviyn were right all along.
According to your religion, your god gave Eiviyn the authority to discredit your religion for being fake and as such, you are a blasphemer for questioning your god's motives by questioning Eiviyn, therefore your soul has already been condemned to your feared hell. There can be no redemption for you...
Unless of course, you decide to forsake your superstitious beliefs and open your mind to science. The path of science is the only true path to salvation.
By the way, did anyone listen to Tech Nation on Sunday. Dr. Moira Gunn interviewed Steven Pinker, Harvard psychology professor, and author of "The Better Angels of Our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined."
P.S. FYI to all the religious people: There's nothing about angels.
Haha, yes. Lol. You have no idea how gullible you are to pseudo-science.
The research is also on-going.
So what? If the research has verifiable results, then then it's going to get published in the scientific literature, etc. You know, like the verifiable results from past and on-going research in evolution, abiogenesis, anthropogenic global warming, etc (i.e. real science).
Yea, also, kinda completely irrelevant.
Only to an individual that is tainted by religion as yourself. Hint: Do some research on dopamine.
Although its influence is far-reaching, the gut is not the seat of any conscious thoughts or decision-making.
I'm glad you've come around to agree that the heart has as much decision and consciousness as the gut.
Its because you dont have answers to my questions.
Did you ever answer my question about whether you had faith that god would save you should you jump off a skyscraper?
You`d just say "Go do your own research" whenever your crazy theories hit a dead center.
So, you don't know how to use the Internet to do research on science topics? I'm not surprised.
I fixed these for you:
"1. This question has already been dealt with by science.
2. The universe was obviously not created by the mythical christian god as explained by science, logic and reason. All religious people live in wonderland.
3. Everything is true. The bible has proven to be perfectly fallible, in many different cases and especially historically.
the evidence for the historical accuracy of the Bible continues to crumble."
I dont see how this relates to a fictional book such as Harry potter. Most religions are like that?, yes probably indeed, but not the Bible. It can stand on its own merit.
You have been kept in the darkness of religion for too long that you have become blind. I know you're too scared to admit the bible is false; it's the natural response of all ignoramuses. However, once your open your mind to science, you shall be saved.
ProzaicMuze can deal with that. You`re use of intelligent design is a bit subjective here. We cant call the appendix useless. Sure we can do without it, and it seems a more pesky organ than others, but this can also be said of other organs too under/during z, x,y conditions.
I'm so glad you see that the appendix was quite useful to our ape-like evolutionary ancestors. Unfortunately, it appears you also believe the brain is useless in all conditions. :/
Only the Flying Spaghetti Monster has the omnipotence to create non-pesky organs for all conditions.
You do realize that what you've posted are infomercial quotes, right? If you actually checked your quotes, you should notice that they come from traditional religious, new age spirituality, UFO, and conspiracy web sites. Notice how those articles rely on vague references any actual research. Did you notice that when you did a Google search there's a lack of any actual scientific journals/articles/literature supporting those claims, not even any journals authored by the people you listed. FYI: In case you didn't know, scientific journals/articles/literature tell you how actual researchers conducted their experiments and show actual results from the experiments.
Leave it to religious folks to be gullible to believe urban myths are scientific facts and to disbelieve actual science...
You should probably learn how the nervous system works.
By the way, here's some related articles discussing communication processes within the body. Since you have a defunct understanding on science, you'll probably misinterpret the facts, as usual.
Receive Jesus Christ into your heart and He will open your eyes, and refresh you.
This heart business christians have is a relic from ancient Egyptian religion and ancient Egyptian beliefs that that heart did the thinking and that that heart was weighed in the afterlife. Obviously it's not true, the heart is just a pump for blood. Lol, 5000 years of outdated anatomy still propagate through modern religion. Receive science into your brain and you shall open your eyes and refresh your mind.
So you're saying that in the past 50-60ish years since the discovery of DNA, and the past few decades of incorporating electron microscopy and computational analysis to study cells and genetic material were more than enough time to prove abiogenesis?
So, how long did it take for humans to discover that the earth wasn't the center of the universe? Let's arbitrarily count time from 0 BC (you could start counting from 3000 BC or even 10000 BC), well, in 50 AD, humans still thought the earth was the center of the universe, so I guess 50 years was long enough to show otherwise? I guess all the discoveries made some 1500 years later was all a bunch of BS? :\
No. Natural selection means that due to natural events (such as disease outbreak), certain individuals with certain traits have higher probability of producing successful offspring. For example, let's say the population is 50% trait A and 50% trait B. Let's say that trait A helps individuals fight off/survive infectious diseases better. Now, let's say a disease outbreak occurred in the population. The individuals with trait A have higher probability of surviving than individuals with trait B. After the outbreak, the trait distribution among the survivors might resemble 80% trait A, 20% trait B. Those survivors pass their traits to offspring, so the trait distribution among the offspring might be 80% trait A, 20% B (assuming A, B don't affect meiosis).
There's nothing about a constraint that natural selection has to provide a suitable condition. If the individuals didn't possess the necessary traits (by random chance), they have lower probability to survive and have viable offspring.
Is the God concept illogical?, Not at all. Can we understand it?. Nope. Is that logical?, Yes.
You have it reversed. Here's the correct answer: Is the god concept illogical? Yes. Can we use science to to understand the universe? Yes. Is it logical to use science? Yes.
They have no proof, nothing testable or solid, nothing. Neither will they ever find proof against an intelligent creator, as some other alternative or anything because all theories eventually fall back as being nonsensical, untestable, and unfalsifiable/illogical claims.
Sigh...
You still don't grasp an understanding of science. The process of science is to find evidence to support your hypothesis and applying statistics to your hypothesis. If new and more evidence consistently supports a hypothesis, it becomes theory. If a hypothesis, lacks evidence it remains speculation. I'll teach you how it works: Your hypothesis that your god created humans lacks evidence, therefore it has low probability of being true, so it remains a speculation. The hypothesis that evolution acts on humans is consistently supported by evidence (such as DNA, skeletal structure, fossils, etc), therefore it has high probability of being true, so it is a theory.
Stopped reading there(actually I read more, but I should have stopped as Ive read this before). Here`s a thought, Is that truth?, Is that science?. Or are we again throwing random ideas into the hat?. I was actually again looking for something solid that I thought you would present, but big crunch, big bounce, big `easter bunny` etc are all just dodgy pseudo science of trying to evade the real truth.
Sigh...again...
Did you even bother to look at the additional sources of information? They were listed on the same site as http://sciencefocus.com/feature/space/have-we-all-been-here . If you know how to use the Internet, you should be able to find them.
The Endless Universe - Paul Steinhardt and Neil Turok (Weidenfeld & Nicolson, 2007)
Three Roads to Quantum Gravity - Lee Smolin (Weidenfeld & Nicolson, 2000)
Time was created at the big. The God existed in an eternal state of being. God created everything. End of story. <-That is the only real science and where science originates from.
That's incorrect. I'll teach you the correct statements: "Time existed before the Big Bang; humans have not yet found a method to record/measure time independent of motions in space." "It is a speculation/hypothesis that a god existed in an eternal state of being and a god created everything." "Speculations lack verifiable evidence." I'll reiterate this again: "Real science originates from forming a hypothesis based on observation of phenomenon, and gathering of evidence to support hypothesis. When evidence does not support hypothesis of god, it remains a speculation."
But if the cyclic universe theory is correct, the textbooks will have to be re-written
If you remotely understood science, you would have known that's how information about new discoveries are disseminated (i.e. passing on knowledge, teaching/learning). I guess you didn't understand why all those biblical fairytales aren't used to teach science.
You`re not posting anything solid. In the mean time, I`ll stick to what I know, and rather you stick to what you hope for(And show me the results if it ever comes to pass).
"Testing the theories
Two ways to investigate the truth about cyclic universes
Planck
Due for launch onboard an Ariane 5 rocket in October, the European Space Agency’s Planck satellite is designed to observe the background heat left over from the Big Bang in unprecedented detail. Some theories of cyclic universes predict the appearance of patterns in this background heat caused by so-called quantum gravity effects triggered at and before the Big Bang. Hints of these effects have already been seen with ground-based observatories, but Planck is needed to confirm them.
The radiation released in the Big Bang is ‘stretched’ by billions of years of cosmic expansion until it turns into microwaves. Parked at a gravitationally stable point 1.6 million kilometres from the Earth, Planck will study these microwaves, which are predicted to interact with gravitational waves – ripples in the fabric of space-time – causing them to vibrate in certain directions, an effect called polarisation. Analysis of the polarisation signal gathered over the duration of Planck’s 21-month mission will allow theorists to check competing theories of what happened at and before the Big Bang.
Big Bang Observer
Predicted by Einstein’s theory of gravity but never directly observed, gravitational waves are undulations in the fabric of space and time with characteristics capable of giving insights into events at and before the Big Bang. Ground-based gravitational wave detectors have already been built, but theory suggests that the waves created by the Big Bang will only be detectable using vast space-based observatories such as the Big Bang Observer (BBO) which NASA hopes to build some time in the “coming decades”.
The BBO will consist of three sets of three satellites arranged in equilateral triangles. The sides will stretch 50,000km long, each set forming a triangle in solar orbit. Gravitational waves generated by cosmic events pass through the Solar System, altering space-time – and thus altering the distance between the satellites. The laser beams passing between the sets of satellites detect gravitational waves through the effects of interference, which shifts the light waves relative to one another. Data collected during the mission is analysed to see which explanation of the Big Bang gives the best fit."
@SouLCarveRR: Go
Your religious beliefs are equivalent to supporting slavery.
Hey, that's the same thing the Taliban say to people (even to other muslims) who disagree with their interpretation of the Quran.
You should read the Bill of Rights sometime within your lifespan.
Taliban much?
And so, we return to the topic of propensity for militancy among religious folks.
I remember seeing the meme using hate and Darth Jesus, but I can't look for it right now, so this will have to do. The pope meme isn't as good.
Totally LOL at these:
@Taintedwisp: Go
"Strive to move away from untruth towards truth." - Atharva Veda
Science is the path of truth...oh, you don't believe in science/truth...sorry.
P.S. You get one cookie point if you can point out the irony of my usage of the quote. You get an additional cookie point if you find out the date of the origin of the quote.
P.P.S. “If science proves some belief of Buddhism wrong, then Buddhism will have to change. In my view, science and Buddhism share a search for the truth and for understanding reality. By learning from science about aspects of reality where its understanding may be more advanced, I believe that Buddhism enriches its own worldview.” – Tenzin Gyatso, the 14th Dalai Lama (He who is without sins)
P.P.P.S. "It is well for the heart to be naive and the mind not to be." - Anatole France
That's really christian of you; just one more piece of evidence showing the fallacy, hypocrisy, and evilness of christianity. See? Gradius12 and Eiviyn were right all along.
@SouLCarveRR: Go
According to your religion, your god gave Eiviyn the authority to discredit your religion for being fake and as such, you are a blasphemer for questioning your god's motives by questioning Eiviyn, therefore your soul has already been condemned to your feared hell. There can be no redemption for you...
Unless of course, you decide to forsake your superstitious beliefs and open your mind to science. The path of science is the only true path to salvation.
By the way, did anyone listen to Tech Nation on Sunday. Dr. Moira Gunn interviewed Steven Pinker, Harvard psychology professor, and author of "The Better Angels of Our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined."
P.S. FYI to all the religious people: There's nothing about angels.
@EternalWraith: Go
Haha no. Thats not the case. Lol.
Haha, yes. Lol. You have no idea how gullible you are to pseudo-science.
The research is also on-going.
So what? If the research has verifiable results, then then it's going to get published in the scientific literature, etc. You know, like the verifiable results from past and on-going research in evolution, abiogenesis, anthropogenic global warming, etc (i.e. real science).
Yea, also, kinda completely irrelevant.
Only to an individual that is tainted by religion as yourself. Hint: Do some research on dopamine.
Although its influence is far-reaching, the gut is not the seat of any conscious thoughts or decision-making.
I'm glad you've come around to agree that the heart has as much decision and consciousness as the gut.
Its because you dont have answers to my questions.
Did you ever answer my question about whether you had faith that god would save you should you jump off a skyscraper?
You`d just say "Go do your own research" whenever your crazy theories hit a dead center.
So, you don't know how to use the Internet to do research on science topics? I'm not surprised.
I fixed these for you:
"1. This question has already been dealt with by science. 2. The universe was obviously not created by the mythical christian god as explained by science, logic and reason. All religious people live in wonderland. 3. Everything is true. The bible has proven to be perfectly fallible, in many different cases and especially historically.
the evidence for the historical accuracy of the Bible continues to crumble."
I dont see how this relates to a fictional book such as Harry potter. Most religions are like that?, yes probably indeed, but not the Bible. It can stand on its own merit.
You have been kept in the darkness of religion for too long that you have become blind. I know you're too scared to admit the bible is false; it's the natural response of all ignoramuses. However, once your open your mind to science, you shall be saved.
ProzaicMuze can deal with that. You`re use of intelligent design is a bit subjective here. We cant call the appendix useless. Sure we can do without it, and it seems a more pesky organ than others, but this can also be said of other organs too under/during z, x,y conditions.
I'm so glad you see that the appendix was quite useful to our ape-like evolutionary ancestors. Unfortunately, it appears you also believe the brain is useless in all conditions. :/ Only the Flying Spaghetti Monster has the omnipotence to create non-pesky organs for all conditions.
@EternalWraith: Go
You do realize that what you've posted are infomercial quotes, right? If you actually checked your quotes, you should notice that they come from traditional religious, new age spirituality, UFO, and conspiracy web sites. Notice how those articles rely on vague references any actual research. Did you notice that when you did a Google search there's a lack of any actual scientific journals/articles/literature supporting those claims, not even any journals authored by the people you listed. FYI: In case you didn't know, scientific journals/articles/literature tell you how actual researchers conducted their experiments and show actual results from the experiments.
Leave it to religious folks to be gullible to believe urban myths are scientific facts and to disbelieve actual science...
You should probably learn how the nervous system works.
http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/introb.html
By the way, here's some related articles discussing communication processes within the body. Since you have a defunct understanding on science, you'll probably misinterpret the facts, as usual.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=gut-second-brain <- Gradius12 is a prophet! Oo
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/09/120928103802.htm
http://www.nature.com/news/dna-data-storage-breaks-records-1.11194
This heart business christians have is a relic from ancient Egyptian religion and ancient Egyptian beliefs that that heart did the thinking and that that heart was weighed in the afterlife. Obviously it's not true, the heart is just a pump for blood. Lol, 5000 years of outdated anatomy still propagate through modern religion. Receive science into your brain and you shall open your eyes and refresh your mind.
@SheogorathSC: Go
I think you missed my point: Discoveries aren't made because someone said the research took long enough or it's about time.
I wasn't trying to say the rate of discoveries is linearly related to time.
@TheZizz: Go
So you're saying that in the past 50-60ish years since the discovery of DNA, and the past few decades of incorporating electron microscopy and computational analysis to study cells and genetic material were more than enough time to prove abiogenesis?
So, how long did it take for humans to discover that the earth wasn't the center of the universe? Let's arbitrarily count time from 0 BC (you could start counting from 3000 BC or even 10000 BC), well, in 50 AD, humans still thought the earth was the center of the universe, so I guess 50 years was long enough to show otherwise? I guess all the discoveries made some 1500 years later was all a bunch of BS? :\
@TheZizz: Go
Interesting reading material: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
@GnaReffotsirk: Go
No. Natural selection means that due to natural events (such as disease outbreak), certain individuals with certain traits have higher probability of producing successful offspring. For example, let's say the population is 50% trait A and 50% trait B. Let's say that trait A helps individuals fight off/survive infectious diseases better. Now, let's say a disease outbreak occurred in the population. The individuals with trait A have higher probability of surviving than individuals with trait B. After the outbreak, the trait distribution among the survivors might resemble 80% trait A, 20% trait B. Those survivors pass their traits to offspring, so the trait distribution among the offspring might be 80% trait A, 20% B (assuming A, B don't affect meiosis).
There's nothing about a constraint that natural selection has to provide a suitable condition. If the individuals didn't possess the necessary traits (by random chance), they have lower probability to survive and have viable offspring.
@FDFederation: Go
Miracles are phenomena you don't understand. Science is the process for understanding "miracles".
You have it reversed. Here's the correct answer: Is the god concept illogical? Yes. Can we use science to to understand the universe? Yes. Is it logical to use science? Yes.
Sigh...
You still don't grasp an understanding of science. The process of science is to find evidence to support your hypothesis and applying statistics to your hypothesis. If new and more evidence consistently supports a hypothesis, it becomes theory. If a hypothesis, lacks evidence it remains speculation. I'll teach you how it works: Your hypothesis that your god created humans lacks evidence, therefore it has low probability of being true, so it remains a speculation. The hypothesis that evolution acts on humans is consistently supported by evidence (such as DNA, skeletal structure, fossils, etc), therefore it has high probability of being true, so it is a theory.
Which question? You asked several and I'm too lazy to search for it.
Sigh...again...
Did you even bother to look at the additional sources of information? They were listed on the same site as http://sciencefocus.com/feature/space/have-we-all-been-here . If you know how to use the Internet, you should be able to find them.
That's incorrect. I'll teach you the correct statements: "Time existed before the Big Bang; humans have not yet found a method to record/measure time independent of motions in space." "It is a speculation/hypothesis that a god existed in an eternal state of being and a god created everything." "Speculations lack verifiable evidence." I'll reiterate this again: "Real science originates from forming a hypothesis based on observation of phenomenon, and gathering of evidence to support hypothesis. When evidence does not support hypothesis of god, it remains a speculation."
If you remotely understood science, you would have known that's how information about new discoveries are disseminated (i.e. passing on knowledge, teaching/learning). I guess you didn't understand why all those biblical fairytales aren't used to teach science.
See the additional resources that I already mentioned. If you read http://sciencefocus.com/feature/space/have-we-all-been-here, you should have also read the part explaining the process of gathering evidence:
"Testing the theories Two ways to investigate the truth about cyclic universes
Planck Due for launch onboard an Ariane 5 rocket in October, the European Space Agency’s Planck satellite is designed to observe the background heat left over from the Big Bang in unprecedented detail. Some theories of cyclic universes predict the appearance of patterns in this background heat caused by so-called quantum gravity effects triggered at and before the Big Bang. Hints of these effects have already been seen with ground-based observatories, but Planck is needed to confirm them.
The radiation released in the Big Bang is ‘stretched’ by billions of years of cosmic expansion until it turns into microwaves. Parked at a gravitationally stable point 1.6 million kilometres from the Earth, Planck will study these microwaves, which are predicted to interact with gravitational waves – ripples in the fabric of space-time – causing them to vibrate in certain directions, an effect called polarisation. Analysis of the polarisation signal gathered over the duration of Planck’s 21-month mission will allow theorists to check competing theories of what happened at and before the Big Bang.
Big Bang Observer Predicted by Einstein’s theory of gravity but never directly observed, gravitational waves are undulations in the fabric of space and time with characteristics capable of giving insights into events at and before the Big Bang. Ground-based gravitational wave detectors have already been built, but theory suggests that the waves created by the Big Bang will only be detectable using vast space-based observatories such as the Big Bang Observer (BBO) which NASA hopes to build some time in the “coming decades”.
The BBO will consist of three sets of three satellites arranged in equilateral triangles. The sides will stretch 50,000km long, each set forming a triangle in solar orbit. Gravitational waves generated by cosmic events pass through the Solar System, altering space-time – and thus altering the distance between the satellites. The laser beams passing between the sets of satellites detect gravitational waves through the effects of interference, which shifts the light waves relative to one another. Data collected during the mission is analysed to see which explanation of the Big Bang gives the best fit."
@Taintedwisp: Go
Google's self-driving cars, http://www.ted.com/talks/hod_lipson_builds_self_aware_robots.html and this: http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/2012/sep/25/first-self-aware-robot-created/
You do realize that they created by scientists, right?
Randomness has had 3.5 billion years to affect evolution. Humans have had access to digital computers for less than 100 years.
P.S. The Antikythera mechanism (most likely manufactured by ancient Greeks) is the earliest discovered analog computer.
P.S.S. Interesting accounts of automata: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automaton