I never said -A- popularity system can't work, I said -THIS- popularity system can't work.
Well you said it can't be fixed. Since when can't fixing it involve changing the way the popularity system works? THIS system can work, even if it means changing how it works.
I can tell you now, blizzard, or any developer for that matter, is much more likely to work with ideas that build on/improve their current system, than ditch everything they have because people are bitching away and giving them shit about it.
If you can't see that, then we just have to disagree, and leave it at that.
It can't, and wont work. You're naive if you think a system that TELLS people what is and isn't popular will work.
You're naive for thinking it can't work, and you are contradicting yourself. First you are saying a popularity system can't work, then you say the Wc3 system worked because the people decided what is popular. This means a popularity system can work, you just need to change the way the popularity is calculated.
They can do whatever they want, and I would hope they would ban people that intentionally try and mess up the system. It's their game, they can make it work how they like, you can either work within their system or go elsewhere.
-Points to the thread he just made-, we should ALL do that. The first two pages being nothing beyond shitty maps that all express how we want the old hosting system back. Organized protests :(
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But you know what, I'll humour you, come up with ideas to fix it and I'll shoot them down, explaining why they wont work.
You do realize that you keep making the suggestion of making the Popularity system optional, guess what, that's a suggestion on how to improve the system without removing it. If you stop being so negative for 5 seconds, you might actually realize that you can have a system that works and includes some sort of popularity system (which might even involved making the popularity system optional).
Have you ever stopped to think about other services that use popularity systems? Notice how they let you sort by popularity, or sort by name, or sort by ... whatever. Guess what happens when you stop sorting by popularity - you effectively turn it off.
So like I have already said, it's not necessarily the popularity system that is the problem, in fact I think they almost had the right idea, it's the lack of supporting features that is the problem. There is no way to search for a map, there is no way to sort the list.
Think about it, even without a popularity system, you might have 1,000 custom games running. You upload your new map and create a game, how is someone going to find your game and join it? They still have to find it amongst the thousand other games.
If they took the existing system, allowed you to search, added game categories, allowed you to sorty by name/author/players/popularity and changed the method of calculating popularity, you would have a much better system that makes it easier to find games, but still has the popularity system, which is a good way for new players to jump right in and play a popular map.
I'm not saying the old system was bad or anything, but I think there is a middle ground that could result in a better system.
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The popularity system is inherently flawed, nothing we come up with could ever make it work, it's just not a feasable system.
Absolute nonsense. Popularity systems are common systems and can work. Not having a popularity system will not help anything. How are you going to find the most popular maps out of thousands of maps, without a popularity system? You aren't.
@KratsAU: Go The community has said so loudly that they hate the popularity system, we've been ignored.
Where and what, specifically has the community said? Can you link me to constructive feedback regarding the popularity system? (not a bunch of whiny/bitchy posts)?
Sorry that was a typo, I meant to write best way to improve the popularity system (too used to writing about the editor!)
Personally I think it's better for the community to put a positive effort and offering suggestions, than resorting to the above tactics of a lame 5 minute map. So far all I have seen is random incoherent bitching.
Imo, it's sites like SC2Mapster that should be putting in the effort of getting the communities message accross, we could all work together to keep a thread bumped at the top of the forums (ironic i know).
Off the top of my head we at least need things like:
A search function when joining games (same as when creating one)
A solid list of game categories, allowing you to publish into one of those categories.
I'm not convinced that the popularity system is the actual problem at this stage, more that it's the lack of supporting features for it. Even if we didn't have a popularity system, when there are 1,000 maps on there you still need some way of sorting them.
The problem is any popularity system can be abused, but on the other hand, you still need a popularity system. To eliminate bot boosting you would need to allow people to vote for maps instead. Could still be abused, but would be more difficult.
So is there a constructive list of suggestions about the best ways you guys can think of to improve the custom map list/popularity system? I haven't seen one, but maybe I missed it?
If not, why dont we create one here, and create a thread on the official forums and keep it popular?
There are lots of random people that complain about it and bitch about it, but bitching to developers rarely makes them feel like wanting to improve things.
Well you said it can't be fixed. Since when can't fixing it involve changing the way the popularity system works? THIS system can work, even if it means changing how it works.
I can tell you now, blizzard, or any developer for that matter, is much more likely to work with ideas that build on/improve their current system, than ditch everything they have because people are bitching away and giving them shit about it.
If you can't see that, then we just have to disagree, and leave it at that.
You're naive for thinking it can't work, and you are contradicting yourself. First you are saying a popularity system can't work, then you say the Wc3 system worked because the people decided what is popular. This means a popularity system can work, you just need to change the way the popularity is calculated.
They can do whatever they want, and I would hope they would ban people that intentionally try and mess up the system. It's their game, they can make it work how they like, you can either work within their system or go elsewhere.
Don't be sorry, you are just wrong. Of course it can work.
Sounds like a fun way to get your account banned.
You do realize that you keep making the suggestion of making the Popularity system optional, guess what, that's a suggestion on how to improve the system without removing it. If you stop being so negative for 5 seconds, you might actually realize that you can have a system that works and includes some sort of popularity system (which might even involved making the popularity system optional).
Have you ever stopped to think about other services that use popularity systems? Notice how they let you sort by popularity, or sort by name, or sort by ... whatever. Guess what happens when you stop sorting by popularity - you effectively turn it off.
So like I have already said, it's not necessarily the popularity system that is the problem, in fact I think they almost had the right idea, it's the lack of supporting features that is the problem. There is no way to search for a map, there is no way to sort the list.
Think about it, even without a popularity system, you might have 1,000 custom games running. You upload your new map and create a game, how is someone going to find your game and join it? They still have to find it amongst the thousand other games.
If they took the existing system, allowed you to search, added game categories, allowed you to sorty by name/author/players/popularity and changed the method of calculating popularity, you would have a much better system that makes it easier to find games, but still has the popularity system, which is a good way for new players to jump right in and play a popular map.
I'm not saying the old system was bad or anything, but I think there is a middle ground that could result in a better system.
Absolute nonsense. Popularity systems are common systems and can work. Not having a popularity system will not help anything. How are you going to find the most popular maps out of thousands of maps, without a popularity system? You aren't.
Where and what, specifically has the community said? Can you link me to constructive feedback regarding the popularity system? (not a bunch of whiny/bitchy posts)?
Sorry that was a typo, I meant to write best way to improve the popularity system (too used to writing about the editor!)
Personally I think it's better for the community to put a positive effort and offering suggestions, than resorting to the above tactics of a lame 5 minute map. So far all I have seen is random incoherent bitching.
Imo, it's sites like SC2Mapster that should be putting in the effort of getting the communities message accross, we could all work together to keep a thread bumped at the top of the forums (ironic i know).
Off the top of my head we at least need things like:
I'm not convinced that the popularity system is the actual problem at this stage, more that it's the lack of supporting features for it. Even if we didn't have a popularity system, when there are 1,000 maps on there you still need some way of sorting them.
The problem is any popularity system can be abused, but on the other hand, you still need a popularity system. To eliminate bot boosting you would need to allow people to vote for maps instead. Could still be abused, but would be more difficult.
So is there a constructive list of suggestions about the best ways you guys can think of to improve the custom map list/popularity system? I haven't seen one, but maybe I missed it?
If not, why dont we create one here, and create a thread on the official forums and keep it popular?
There are lots of random people that complain about it and bitch about it, but bitching to developers rarely makes them feel like wanting to improve things.