I put a team recruitment thread in the team recruitment area and it got deleted, can a mod or someone explain why? There wasn't anything offensive in it, and it was in the correct area and everything...
Your topic has been deleted because we had had many problems with sen people trying to advertise on mapster as soon as they could (they even sent pm to all the authors!). Anyway let me explain why what you did is wrong and how you can improve (please don't take it bad, I'm really trying to help here).
I know you want to build a great community and need people. I had the same problem few months ago with mapster. Making shameless advertising on other websites is just NOT the way to do it. First, it will annoy the moderators, but it will make you look bad from the users.
Let's see your advertising post:
Quote:
www.staredit.net is the premiere StarCraft 1 mapping community, and aims to be the same for StarCraft II. Currently we're a little smaller than mapster but we have a great community and a great site. We aren't sponsored by any larger entity such as Curse, and some of the best StarCraft 1 mappers call staredit.net home, such as Tuxedo-Templar, UnholyUrine, Kaias, and more. Several of these have moved to SC2 mapping, and we are already producing some good maps.
Basically, you don't have to leave mapster but come check us out, and maybe hang out at our map nights and join in with some forum games, help people that need help, get help if you need it, and more!
I know you want to make sen look good, but telling that you are "a little smaller" than mapster makes you look stupid. You have 200 threads in your map development forum when there are 4500 on mapster. Also I don't know Tuxedo-Templar, UnholyUrine, Kaias but saying that they are some of the best mappers is really presumptuous.
You say that you are already producing good maps. Fuck for sake speak about them! What are those maps? Make a thread about them on mapster and say that it's from sen. This way people will see what you do, and will want to go on your website.
I have nothing against linking other websites (really!). But do it the right way please :)
The SEN advertisees, which I'm guessing was payne, are not me. As far as I know, payne's actions were not approved of by the administration of SEN, nor was he told to do so.
I don't see it as shameless advertising, as it's in the correct area FOR advertising.
We have 7515 accounts on SEN. While many aren't active, and our SC2 section isn't as active as yours, this doesn't mean that we are significantly smaller, just less productive. It isn't presumptuous to call Tuxedo-templar, UnholyUrine, and Kaias the best SC1 mappers, as they are in fact among the best, creating some of the most popular or technically advanced maps on bnet.
"You say that you are already producing good maps. Fuck for sake speak about them! What are those maps? Make a thread about them on mapster and say that it's from sen. This way people will see what you do, and will want to go on your website. " Sure, but they aren't my maps and I'm not going to advertise for the authors.
Payne was speaking for SEN, it's not us who decided that. You guys on SEN can deal with that yourselves. If you don't want your members advertising, then you should tell them.
Though, from what I remember, you aren't a staff member on SEN anyway. So how are we supposed to know whether or not you were "approved" by the administration? Regardless, the Team Forum is a place to advertise for projects and recruit people to help you, not blatantly advertise your website.
You're the one that said you're smaller than us, not vjeux. You repeated that a few times... Basically, I read it as, "we're not as good or as cool as you guys, but come hangout with us anyone because we're an old site and we've died off, and now need traffic to compete again." Anyway, i've said it before, and i'll say it again, and you agreed with me. You're an SC1 site. Period.
I don't know who anyone other than T-T was, and I was into SC1 Mapping for years.
We don't mind advertising, but what payne was doing was spamming and generally being a kidiot. It certainly wasn't wanted by us.
I am in fact a staff member at SEN.
"we're not as good or as cool as you guys, but come hangout with us anyone because we're an old site and we've died off, and now need traffic to compete again." straw man fallacy, I didn't say that. We aren't JUST a SC1 site, we are both SC1 AND SC2, same as hive is both WC3 AND SC2.
Then you don't know the maker of one of the most popular maps on bnet, and you don't know one of the most genius mappers of all time. That's who UnholyUrine and Kaias are.
You can't just say "Some of the best mappers post in our forums so come!" specially when you follow that with "we're already creating good maps" and don't show any work at all.
Your topic was disgusting because of two things, 1. it was pretentious, the fact of "eliteness" that defines SEN, eliteness is not synonym of quality and 2. your topic lacked EFFORT. Seriously, you talk about maps and best mappers ever but don't show anything, then say you aren't allowed to because they're not your maps, well, if these so called best mappers ever call SEN home would it really be so much of a problem to grab a few screenshots of their work and show us to further impress us?
P.S. While I know you are an staff it's not something you should be proud of or a huge achievement at all, we both know the process of becoming a staff and how the "big ranks" are chosen. I know, I've been there, I was an administrator. Hey, just saying.
Also, I don't see this going anywhere? vjeux already explained what was wrong with the post, so did you, Sixen.
But any real Starcraft 1 customs player could easily identify those as good mappers. Not knowing them makes me wonder why anyone would make a custom without playing any prior to any.
I just dont like seeing good people be talked so lowly about I guess.
(Note this wasnt an elitist post from SEN, Idk where'd you get such an idea)
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I put a team recruitment thread in the team recruitment area and it got deleted, can a mod or someone explain why? There wasn't anything offensive in it, and it was in the correct area and everything...
Your topic has been deleted because we had had many problems with sen people trying to advertise on mapster as soon as they could (they even sent pm to all the authors!). Anyway let me explain why what you did is wrong and how you can improve (please don't take it bad, I'm really trying to help here).
I know you want to build a great community and need people. I had the same problem few months ago with mapster. Making shameless advertising on other websites is just NOT the way to do it. First, it will annoy the moderators, but it will make you look bad from the users.
Let's see your advertising post:
I know you want to make sen look good, but telling that you are "a little smaller" than mapster makes you look stupid. You have 200 threads in your map development forum when there are 4500 on mapster. Also I don't know Tuxedo-Templar, UnholyUrine, Kaias but saying that they are some of the best mappers is really presumptuous.
You say that you are already producing good maps. Fuck for sake speak about them! What are those maps? Make a thread about them on mapster and say that it's from sen. This way people will see what you do, and will want to go on your website.
I have nothing against linking other websites (really!). But do it the right way please :)
The SEN advertisees, which I'm guessing was payne, are not me. As far as I know, payne's actions were not approved of by the administration of SEN, nor was he told to do so.
I don't see it as shameless advertising, as it's in the correct area FOR advertising.
We have 7515 accounts on SEN. While many aren't active, and our SC2 section isn't as active as yours, this doesn't mean that we are significantly smaller, just less productive. It isn't presumptuous to call Tuxedo-templar, UnholyUrine, and Kaias the best SC1 mappers, as they are in fact among the best, creating some of the most popular or technically advanced maps on bnet.
"You say that you are already producing good maps. Fuck for sake speak about them! What are those maps? Make a thread about them on mapster and say that it's from sen. This way people will see what you do, and will want to go on your website. " Sure, but they aren't my maps and I'm not going to advertise for the authors.
Payne was speaking for SEN, it's not us who decided that. You guys on SEN can deal with that yourselves. If you don't want your members advertising, then you should tell them.
Though, from what I remember, you aren't a staff member on SEN anyway. So how are we supposed to know whether or not you were "approved" by the administration? Regardless, the Team Forum is a place to advertise for projects and recruit people to help you, not blatantly advertise your website.
You're the one that said you're smaller than us, not vjeux. You repeated that a few times... Basically, I read it as, "we're not as good or as cool as you guys, but come hangout with us anyone because we're an old site and we've died off, and now need traffic to compete again." Anyway, i've said it before, and i'll say it again, and you agreed with me. You're an SC1 site. Period.
I don't know who anyone other than T-T was, and I was into SC1 Mapping for years.
We don't mind advertising, but what payne was doing was spamming and generally being a kidiot. It certainly wasn't wanted by us.
I am in fact a staff member at SEN.
"we're not as good or as cool as you guys, but come hangout with us anyone because we're an old site and we've died off, and now need traffic to compete again." straw man fallacy, I didn't say that. We aren't JUST a SC1 site, we are both SC1 AND SC2, same as hive is both WC3 AND SC2.
Then you don't know the maker of one of the most popular maps on bnet, and you don't know one of the most genius mappers of all time. That's who UnholyUrine and Kaias are.
Hahahahahaha, SEN must be really desperate to come to sc2mapster and advertise.
You can't just say "Some of the best mappers post in our forums so come!" specially when you follow that with "we're already creating good maps" and don't show any work at all.
Your topic was disgusting because of two things, 1. it was pretentious, the fact of "eliteness" that defines SEN, eliteness is not synonym of quality and 2. your topic lacked EFFORT. Seriously, you talk about maps and best mappers ever but don't show anything, then say you aren't allowed to because they're not your maps, well, if these so called best mappers ever call SEN home would it really be so much of a problem to grab a few screenshots of their work and show us to further impress us?
P.S. While I know you are an staff it's not something you should be proud of or a huge achievement at all, we both know the process of becoming a staff and how the "big ranks" are chosen. I know, I've been there, I was an administrator. Hey, just saying.
Also, I don't see this going anywhere? vjeux already explained what was wrong with the post, so did you, Sixen.
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But any real Starcraft 1 customs player could easily identify those as good mappers. Not knowing them makes me wonder why anyone would make a custom without playing any prior to any.
I just dont like seeing good people be talked so lowly about I guess.
(Note this wasnt an elitist post from SEN, Idk where'd you get such an idea)