I gotta be honest I'm very disappointed in the moderators here. Why is this thread still going and why has there only been one warning that I've seen. Does anybody remember what this thread was about?
"Do you consider yourself part of organized religion?".
Come on mods shut it down before the attacks get out of hand. The rest of us are tired of seeing a hate thread slapped to the front page every 5 minutes. We are all mappers and this is just separating us.
I gotta be honest I'm very disappointed in the moderators here. Why is this thread still going and why has there only been one warning that I've seen. Does anybody remember what this thread was about?
"Do you consider yourself part of organized religion?".
Come on mods shut it down before the attacks get out of hand. The rest of us are tired of seeing a hate thread slapped to the front page every 5 minutes. We are all mappers and this is just separating us.
Nah, there's no separation going on. It's a mental exercise, and probably more beneficial in the long run. Passions expressed have not actually gone into extremes just yet. :)
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Whatever you do, wholeheartedly, moment by heartfelt moment, becomes a tool for the expression of your very soul.
Faith is in everything. Waking up from bed in the morning is an act of faith.
Same faith in Macro Human evolution theory(Broken as hell and complete lies). Multiverse. Parallel universes. Branes. etc etc. Zero evidence. Absolutely naught. Im happy the Bible reliably trumps that much more than anyone really thinks to realize.
I still dont know what FDFederation talks about when he says "Science is the path to illumination etc etc". That mantra of his has no realistic application, which he himself does not understand. Blessed are the ignorant?, Not entirely so.
M-theory is a mathematical framework that, while mathematically feasible, may or may not reflect actual reality. But human evolution has already . That's why evolution is in science textbooks, but m-theory is not.
You know you've got a problem when biology, paleontology, genetics, archaeology and the rest of modern science have failed to convince you of anything about human evolution, but parchments of ramblings of long-dead, scientifically-illiterate, bronze-age cavemen is all the "proof" you need for Christianity.
Same faith in Macro Human evolution theory(Broken as hell and complete lies). ... Zero evidence.
Sigh. You already cowered away when I demonstrated why your view of "macro evolution" is wrong.
Your words are as stupid as if someone walked up to you and said "Christianity is wrong because Jesus never walked on the moon!". You don't even know what evolution is.
Do you just keep repeating the same debunked points in hope that shear repetition will win you the day?
Multiverse, Branes, Parallel universes, Unguided Human Macro evolution = faith based systems. Not science at all. Lets make a sticker of that and put it on our heads, the mirror will remind us how to `shut up pesky` atheists that try and use science as some misplaced justification.
When will I cover the evolution topic, soon enough.
M-theory is a mathematical framework that, while mathematically feasible, may or may not reflect actual reality. But human evolution has already been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. That's why evolution is in science textbooks, but m-theory is not.
You know you've got a problem when biology, paleontology, genetics, archaeology and the rest of modern science have failed to convince you of anything about human evolution, but parchments of ramblings of long-dead, scientifically-illiterate, bronze-age cavemen is all the "proof" you need for Christianity.
I`ll watch that link later. How to shut up pesky creationists?. You guys are really funny.
But now tell me, If we were in nothing more than a computer simulation. How would we ever know this?. Also post me news about how new gravity wave detectors could potentially see beyond plank time?, Ive not come across much info.
Evolution and physics aren't broken or made of lies. Your understanding of evolution, physics, the rest of science, and math is broken. You still don't know because you are tainted by religion. The path of science will guide you to the truth, but you must have the courage to cleanse yourself of the taint of religion and must have the volition to pursue the path of science.
You know its funny, Science hasnt even come close to creating a self aware computer, And they are just now realizing that DNA is a massive form of storage, Such as that is on a flash drive. Yet they still believe that this was all random chance?
I'm glad that random chance can do better then intelligent Design. When whats created is something that what was created never could re-create.
The path of science will guide you to the truth, but you must have the courage to cleanse yourself of the taint of religion and must have the courage to pursue the path of science.
Are miracles theoretically impossible?. No.
Is the God concept illogical?, Not at all. Can we understand it?. Nope. Is that logical?, Yes.
I still do not see how science is in any conflict with believing the Bible and knowing 100% a God created everything.
sci·ence (sns)
1.
a. The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.
b. Such activities restricted to a class of natural phenomena.
c. Such activities applied to an object of inquiry or study.
1. the systematic study of the nature and behaviour of the material and physical universe, based on observation, experiment, and measurement, and the formulation of laws to describe these facts in general terms
Multiverse, Parallel universes, Branes are random ideas thrown into the hat. Its as good as saying the galactic easter bunny dropped an egg and that hatched into our universe. Zero evidence, hypothetical, and it exists in the realm of metaphysics.
Theists say the logical answer is an intelligence created the universe. The proof is in the pudding(You are living in it). The universe and everything in it is proof we show to atheists. And for obvious reasons, we can never understand this intelligence in all its capacity(As the creation is never greater than the creator).
Atheists arguments against that? Nothing. They have no proof, nothing testable or solid, nothing. Neither will they ever find proof against an intelligent creator, as some other alternative or anything because all theories eventually fall back as being nonsensical, untestable, and unfalsifiable/illogical claims. The burden actually lies on atheists, but they cant do a very good job without trying to shift the burden of proof on theists(And again, the creation is that proof of intelligence and will) and so in essence they are really nothing more than, compared to agnostics, I would say confused bunnies.
Now if you`re such a genius, answer the questions I asked Gradius. You definitely come across as thinking on a quantum level. Enlighten us.
Branes, Crunches and Other Big Ideas Here's a thought: What if our universe is but the offspring of another, older universe?
Stopped reading there(actually I read more, but I should have stopped as Ive read this before). Here`s a thought, Is that truth?, Is that science?. Or are we again throwing random ideas into the hat?. I was actually again looking for something solid that I thought you would present, but big crunch, big bounce, big `easter bunny` etc are all just dodgy pseudo science of trying to evade the real truth.
Time was created at the big. The God existed in an eternal state of being. God created everything. End of story. <-That is the only real science and where science originates from.
Evolution and physics aren't broken or made of lies. Your understanding of evolution, physics, the rest of science, and math is broken. You still don't know because you are tainted by religion. The path of science will guide you to the truth, but you must have the courage to cleanse yourself of the taint of religion and must have the volition to pursue the path of science.
But if the cyclic universe theory is correct, the textbooks will have to be re-written
You`re not posting anything solid. In the mean time, I`ll stick to what I know, and rather you stick to what you hope for(And show me the results if it ever comes to pass). M-theory vs Loop quantum gravity (LQG) does make for interesting reading nonetheless.
Theists say the logical answer is an intelligence created the universe. The proof is in the pudding(You are living in it). The universe and everything in it is proof we show to atheists. And for obvious reasons, we can never understand this intelligence in all its capacity(As the creation is never greater than the creator).
Atheists arguments against that? Nothing. They have no proof, nothing testable or solid, nothing. Neither will they ever find proof against an intelligent creator, as some other alternative or anything because all theories eventually fall back as being nonsensical, untestable, and unfalsifiable/illogical claims. The burden actually lies on atheists, but they cant do a very good job without trying to shift the burden of proof on theists(And again, the creation is that proof of intelligence and will) and so in essence they are really nothing more than, compared to agnostics, I would say confused bunnies.
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You marvel at the complexity of the universe, therefore there is a creator. Don't really see the reason why you would think such a thing, now i havn't read anything about multiverses etc. but as i said before resorting to a god to explain something is the most unscientific thing to do, completely disconnected from "The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena." And even if you would think a god created everything, why the christian god? God most have a reason for this creation, a goal, and seeing he was the one who created every physical law and the whole universe we live in, he 'inspiring' some bronze age priest to write a book that will guide the humans towards this goal seems farfetched.
Multiverse, Branes, Parallel universes, Unguided Human Macro evolution = faith based systems. Not science at all. Lets make a sticker of that and put it on our heads, the mirror will remind us how to `shut up pesky` atheists that try and use science as some misplaced justification.
When will I cover the evolution topic, soon enough.
Evolution is guided by natural selection. There's no such thing as "unguided evolution".
Atheists arguments against that? Nothing. They have no proof, nothing testable or solid, nothing. Neither will they ever find proof against an intelligent creator, as some other alternative or anything because all theories eventually fall back as being nonsensical, untestable, and unfalsifiable/illogical claims.
Do you have any proof that tooth fairies don't exist?
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Curse PremiumI gotta be honest I'm very disappointed in the moderators here. Why is this thread still going and why has there only been one warning that I've seen. Does anybody remember what this thread was about?
"Do you consider yourself part of organized religion?".
Come on mods shut it down before the attacks get out of hand. The rest of us are tired of seeing a hate thread slapped to the front page every 5 minutes. We are all mappers and this is just separating us.
Simple people lack sufficient understanding of science, that's the simple truth. The path of science is the one and only true path.
Nobody is forcing you to read this thread.
Nah, there's no separation going on. It's a mental exercise, and probably more beneficial in the long run. Passions expressed have not actually gone into extremes just yet. :)
Whatever you do, wholeheartedly, moment by heartfelt moment, becomes a tool for the expression of your very soul.
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“Modern science is based on the principle: 'Give us one free miracle and we'll explain the rest.'" - Terence McKenna
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Actually the moderator is the biggest Zealot here so he won't close it.
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You're right, that's not the only thing I was looking for at all when I started, but somewhere along the way it was.
I'm actually pretty relieved.
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Faith is in everything. Waking up from bed in the morning is an act of faith.
Same faith in Macro Human evolution theory(Broken as hell and complete lies). Multiverse. Parallel universes. Branes. etc etc. Zero evidence. Absolutely naught. Im happy the Bible reliably trumps that much more than anyone really thinks to realize.
I still dont know what FDFederation talks about when he says "Science is the path to illumination etc etc". That mantra of his has no realistic application, which he himself does not understand. Blessed are the ignorant?, Not entirely so.
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Curse PremiumM-theory is a mathematical framework that, while mathematically feasible, may or may not reflect actual reality. But human evolution has already . That's why evolution is in science textbooks, but m-theory is not.
You know you've got a problem when biology, paleontology, genetics, archaeology and the rest of modern science have failed to convince you of anything about human evolution, but parchments of ramblings of long-dead, scientifically-illiterate, bronze-age cavemen is all the "proof" you need for Christianity.
Sigh. You already cowered away when I demonstrated why your view of "macro evolution" is wrong.
Your words are as stupid as if someone walked up to you and said "Christianity is wrong because Jesus never walked on the moon!". You don't even know what evolution is.
Do you just keep repeating the same debunked points in hope that shear repetition will win you the day?
Even the pope accepts evolution as fact.
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Multiverse, Branes, Parallel universes, Unguided Human Macro evolution = faith based systems. Not science at all. Lets make a sticker of that and put it on our heads, the mirror will remind us how to `shut up pesky` atheists that try and use science as some misplaced justification.
When will I cover the evolution topic, soon enough.
I`ll watch that link later. How to shut up pesky creationists?. You guys are really funny.
But now tell me, If we were in nothing more than a computer simulation. How would we ever know this?. Also post me news about how new gravity wave detectors could potentially see beyond plank time?, Ive not come across much info.
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Evolution and physics aren't broken or made of lies. Your understanding of evolution, physics, the rest of science, and math is broken. You still don't know because you are tainted by religion. The path of science will guide you to the truth, but you must have the courage to cleanse yourself of the taint of religion and must have the volition to pursue the path of science.
Try reading this: http://sciencefocus.com/feature/space/have-we-all-been-here
Really short summary that leaves out a lot of details: http://science.howstuffworks.com/dictionary/astronomy-terms/before-big-bang.htm
If you are not afraid of the truth, you should read the references/scources located here: http://science.howstuffworks.com/dictionary/astronomy-terms/before-big-bang2.htm
You know its funny, Science hasnt even come close to creating a self aware computer, And they are just now realizing that DNA is a massive form of storage, Such as that is on a flash drive. Yet they still believe that this was all random chance?
I'm glad that random chance can do better then intelligent Design. When whats created is something that what was created never could re-create.
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Google's self-driving cars, http://www.ted.com/talks/hod_lipson_builds_self_aware_robots.html and this: http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/2012/sep/25/first-self-aware-robot-created/
You do realize that they created by scientists, right?
Randomness has had 3.5 billion years to affect evolution. Humans have had access to digital computers for less than 100 years.
P.S. The Antikythera mechanism (most likely manufactured by ancient Greeks) is the earliest discovered analog computer.
P.S.S. Interesting accounts of automata: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automaton
Are miracles theoretically impossible?. No.
Is the God concept illogical?, Not at all. Can we understand it?. Nope. Is that logical?, Yes.
I still do not see how science is in any conflict with believing the Bible and knowing 100% a God created everything.
sci·ence (sns)
1.
a. The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.
b. Such activities restricted to a class of natural phenomena.
c. Such activities applied to an object of inquiry or study.
1. the systematic study of the nature and behaviour of the material and physical universe, based on observation, experiment, and measurement, and the formulation of laws to describe these facts in general terms
Multiverse, Parallel universes, Branes are random ideas thrown into the hat. Its as good as saying the galactic easter bunny dropped an egg and that hatched into our universe. Zero evidence, hypothetical, and it exists in the realm of metaphysics.
Theists say the logical answer is an intelligence created the universe. The proof is in the pudding(You are living in it). The universe and everything in it is proof we show to atheists. And for obvious reasons, we can never understand this intelligence in all its capacity(As the creation is never greater than the creator).
Atheists arguments against that? Nothing. They have no proof, nothing testable or solid, nothing. Neither will they ever find proof against an intelligent creator, as some other alternative or anything because all theories eventually fall back as being nonsensical, untestable, and unfalsifiable/illogical claims. The burden actually lies on atheists, but they cant do a very good job without trying to shift the burden of proof on theists(And again, the creation is that proof of intelligence and will) and so in essence they are really nothing more than, compared to agnostics, I would say confused bunnies.
Now if you`re such a genius, answer the questions I asked Gradius. You definitely come across as thinking on a quantum level. Enlighten us.
Branes, Crunches and Other Big Ideas
Here's a thought: What if our universe is but the offspring of another, older universe?
Stopped reading there(actually I read more, but I should have stopped as Ive read this before). Here`s a thought, Is that truth?, Is that science?. Or are we again throwing random ideas into the hat?. I was actually again looking for something solid that I thought you would present, but big crunch, big bounce, big `easter bunny` etc are all just dodgy pseudo science of trying to evade the real truth.
Time was created at the big. The God existed in an eternal state of being. God created everything. End of story. <-That is the only real science and where science originates from.
But if the cyclic universe theory is correct, the textbooks will have to be re-written
You`re not posting anything solid. In the mean time, I`ll stick to what I know, and rather you stick to what you hope for(And show me the results if it ever comes to pass).
M-theory vs Loop quantum gravity (LQG) does make for interesting reading nonetheless.
You marvel at the complexity of the universe, therefore there is a creator. Don't really see the reason why you would think such a thing, now i havn't read anything about multiverses etc. but as i said before resorting to a god to explain something is the most unscientific thing to do, completely disconnected from "The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena." And even if you would think a god created everything, why the christian god? God most have a reason for this creation, a goal, and seeing he was the one who created every physical law and the whole universe we live in, he 'inspiring' some bronze age priest to write a book that will guide the humans towards this goal seems farfetched.
Evolution is guided by natural selection. There's no such thing as "unguided evolution".
Do you have any proof that tooth fairies don't exist?