I didn't realize Golf consists of doing literally the same thing over and over again for an immaterial reward. I guess if you played the same hole over and over again with no friends it might be a little similar. Except that you would be outside and getting exercise. Hell, you might even meet someone random in real life.
Implying talking to people online isn't a form of social contact. Also implying hand-eye co-ordination, simple problem solving skills and reflexes are not exercise.
Really Karawasa, you haven't the slightest clue wtf you're talking about. At the very least, it's up for some serious discussion (as Eiviyn's proven here). And all of that is fine and good, but it's also why you shouldn't be judging people. It's kind of a funny thing how big a difference it makes whether someone who doesn't know about something acts like he does or not. Judgement is probably the cancer of mankind, but it's the people who don't care that they're judging folks that ruin this planet. I don't even mean that in a bad way, as I generally like you, but I can't seem to get around that simple observation.
Oh my dear Karawasa, you have much to learn. Like a butterfly feeding on an evening flower, one does not persist upon a single thread for too long before the nectar runs dry. For to feed any longer than absolutely necessary risks going in circles and/or becoming as boring as DrSuperStupid. Hence departing in a timely manner once all that needs to be said, has, is imperative.
Implying talking to people online isn't a form of social contact. Also implying hand-eye co-ordination, simple problem solving skills and reflexes are not exercise.
I'm not sure if you are trying to troll me or not.
Talking to someone online is an inferior form of social contact. Playing games online is an inferior form of exercise. That, is not up for debate.
Really Karawasa, you haven't the slightest clue wtf you're talking about. At the very least, it's up for some serious discussion (as Eiviyn's proven here). And all of that is fine and good, but it's also why you shouldn't be judging people. It's kind of a funny thing how big a difference it makes whether someone who doesn't know about something acts like he does or not. Judgement is probably the cancer of mankind, but it's the people who don't care that they're judging folks that ruin this planet. I don't even mean that in a bad way, as I generally like you, but I can't seem to get around that simple observation.
Are we talking about the same thing?
If you want to get technical about it no one has a right to judge anyone for anything because there are no absolute truths in the world. But we all do it anyway. I just made my opinion public.
Even so, I wouldn't really consider what I did judgement. I have every right to view farming as pathetic. I never claimed it was a fact. You have every right to view me as an asshole. People are entitled to opinions.
There is a game called iCopter on the iPhone that I play all the time. It is a simple game that is based entirely off the Flash game Copter which can be found with a quick Google search. The game involves clicking the mouse to raise the copter, and releasing the mouse to allow gravity to come into effect and lower the copter. When you crash you lose and you must start over.
The amount of meaning in that game is much less than farming. It is the same thing over and over again. So why do I play such a game? Because it allows me to think. When I used to play WoW, and let's say I had to kill, oh I don't know, 30 wolves or something, it would be a time to think, much like with iCopter. Especially with ADD, thinking is difficult when just sitting and doing nothing. Truthfully, farming is actually quite a genius form of entertainment. It's like a mindless game such as iCopter, but it has a reward to work towards. Tell me this. How often while farming does one consciously think about the task they are doing? For me, I'm usually thinking about some idea I will be adding into my Java game, or analyzing something, or even thinking about my girlfriend. And I am willing to bet that anyone who farms does the same thing.
And of course you are entitled to your opinion. However, there is a difference between being opinionated and being judgmental. Instead of implying that the people who farm are ignorant and repetitive, simply state that it isn't your personal favorite form of entertainment.
Tell me this. How often while farming does one consciously think about the task they are doing? For me, I'm usually thinking about some idea I will be adding into my Java game, or analyzing something, or even thinking about my girlfriend. And I am willing to bet that anyone who farms does the same thing.
I used to farm. I did not fall into the category you specified. I imagine there are others who were aware they were farming. That's why some people quit games like WoW once they hit the grind.
And of course you are entitled to your opinion. However, there is a difference between being opinionated and being judgmental. Instead of implying that the people who farm are ignorant and repetitive, simply state that it isn't your personal favorite form of entertainment.
If someone told you they get enjoyment from touching kids...would you just say you don't find that entertaining yourself or would you have the opinion that something is fucked in their head? Do we have a right to judge a pedophile? Technically no. But everyone does anyway.
so in your point... your defending pedofiles, and hating people who farm in Diablo... wow, you are .... whats that word? oh yeah gay.
and farming is fun, just because you dont know how to do it doesnt mean its not, its that gratification knowing that you have finnaly gotten that item you wanted, Much like finishing a map on Sc2, but on a much smaller scale. and much less time... i hope
This has very little to do with the subject, which has long since been lost, but has anyone else noticed the posters seem to be farming this thread? Perhaps randomly the thread will get locked and the one with the last post will win?
If a pedophile gave me a legitimate reason to forgive them, than yes, I would no longer judge them. You are also blowing this out of proportion, and you know it. But anyways, I don't understand the point of this argument. Judging people may at times be inevitable, but that doesn't mean it should be sought out.
On a side note, wow has this thread been derailed. If this thread was heading from New York to Chicago, it has now officially arrived in Pakistan.
I'm more inclined to mete my righteous indignation upon the perpetrators of these insidious Skinner's Boxes rather than berate the individuals who fall prey to them. To me these peddlers are gaming's Dark Side.
and farming is fun, just because you dont know how to do it doesnt mean its not, its that gratification knowing that you have finnaly gotten that item you wanted
You could be right. I'll practice my technique the next time I paint a wall.
If a pedophile gave me a legitimate reason to forgive them, than yes, I would no longer judge them. You are also blowing this out of proportion, and you know it. But anyways, I don't understand the point of this argument. Judging people may at times be inevitable, but that doesn't mean it should be sought out.
Who are you to demand a legitimate reason for forgiveness? What gives you the right to judge them? I am not blowing this out of proportion at all. The argument is that judgement is relative. There are no absolute truths in the world. Therefore, (false) judgement is always inevitable. It is neither good or evil. It is just an opinion.
The point of the argument is that I am no more wrong in judging farmers as pathetic than you are in judging pedophiles as needing forgiveness.
has anyone else noticed the posters seem to be farming this thread? Perhaps randomly the thread will get locked and the one with the last post will win?
Comparing pedophiles to farming is moot. Farming isn't illegal. There is good reason to frown upon rape and child molesters. What they do is unlawfaul and hence, against authorities. Judgement over farming isn't as justified, since they are doing nothing to bother you or your society in any direct way. Now maybe if a whole community was addicted to farming and nothing got done, then it would affect you, but it doesn't, so you have no reason to be bothered by it. If your community had a handful of child molesters, then you have issues. Security is the number one thing humans look to. (Followed by food) If that is taken away, people are affected. However, if your neighbor is farming up gold, what the hell does that have to do with anyone else?
1st your an idiot
2nd your an idiot
3rd your an idiot
4th, The life expectancy of people when these civilizations were around was abou 30.... and that was if you were lucky... its different when your only going to live to 30...
and even that doesnt mean it was right, just cause your daddy touches you doesnt mean its okay.
Also these ancient civilizations Cannibalized, and Shredded peoples skins for sport.... i guess in your book this is all okay too?
This is why I am glad I am a christian, because I can win all these stupid arguements that are supported by why ancient civilizations did, by simply realizing, that those were the times before the bible, and During, before Christ. So suck it.
Who are you to demand a legitimate reason for forgiveness? What gives you the right to judge them? I am not blowing this out of proportion at all. The argument is that judgement is relative. There are no absolute truths in the world. Therefore, (false) judgement is always inevitable. It is neither good or evil. It is just an opinion.
The point of the argument is that I am no more wrong in judging farmers as pathetic than you are in judging pedophiles as needing forgiveness.
PS: There is no such thing as good or evil.
I've heard this kind of reasoning a few times from different persons now and it is just wrong.
If you want to throw everything the human society has accomplished over a few thousand years out of window have fun and go live in your cave. If you want to live in society there are actually certain standards and ethics which make it pretty easy to judge actions on a basic level. You can do whatever you want to yourself and to your body, no one cares. But as soon as other people are involved you should realize that it is a whole different story, so your pedophilia comparison is just a craving for attention as far as I'm concerned, it has nothing to do with the former topic so it is not worth discussing about (in this thread). I mean we can talk about an alternative world in which it is considered "right" by society to abuse children and "wrong" to not do it, but to me that would be a really pointless discussion, because here in our society it is very easy to judge the "level of wrong" from accepting pedophilia compared to condemning someone because he plays a game.
+1 for pointing out the flaw in the pedophilia argument (It affects other people in negative ways)
+1 for linking xkcd
I believe you are winning this discussion.
This has very little to do with the subject, which has long since been lost, but has anyone else noticed the posters seem to be farming this thread? Perhaps randomly the thread will get locked and the one with the last post will win?
Please, this thread is far too entertaining to be locked. Popcorn?
I'm not sure if you are trying to troll me or not.
Talking to someone online is an inferior form of social contact. Playing games online is an inferior form of exercise. That, is not up for debate.
If you want to get technical about it no one has a right to judge anyone for anything because there are no absolute truths in the world. But we all do it anyway. I just made my opinion public.
Even so, I wouldn't really consider what I did judgement. I have every right to view farming as pathetic. I never claimed it was a fact. You have every right to view me as an asshole. People are entitled to opinions.
And this is exactly my point. Sure, people are entitled to opinions, but that doesn't mean everyone needs to have one on EVERYTHING, and utter it and insult people just so they can feel better about themselves. Which is basically what Bommes said; there's a code of ethics.
Ever heard of objectivity through inter-subjectivity? That's what this is. Now I by far do not always agree with the opinion of the majority, but that doesn't mean I feel a need to call anyone who enjoys an activity that I do not pathetic. Heck, even though everybody does this daily, it's perhaps even the most stupid thing a person can do - if you do not enjoy an activity you're likely to not know anything about it and therefore form an opinion based on almost nothing. Which is the argument I made in my previous post: as soon as you realize you don't know jack shit about jack shit, you can stop being an asshole. Or if you want that in a more objective version; being demeaning to people needlessly.
Long story short: don't be an asshole and the world will be a better place.
I go away for 2 minutes to get groceries and I come back to see this thread Argumentified. (it's a word) What do you people have to say for yourselves? This is why the mapster isn't mature enough for a facepalm emoticon. Lol.
IN THE BRIGHT SIDE: I found something new for me signature! :D. Thanks wisp!
@Karawasa: Go
This is why I am glad I am a christian, because I can win all these stupid arguements that are supported by why ancient civilizations did, by simply realizing, that those were the times before the bible, and During, before Christ. So suck it.
The reason being is that Christianity was the first religion to implement the value of every individual... Ok maybe... I don't really know. Just wanted to share that knowledge. :P.
Implying talking to people online isn't a form of social contact. Also implying hand-eye co-ordination, simple problem solving skills and reflexes are not exercise.
Really Karawasa, you haven't the slightest clue wtf you're talking about. At the very least, it's up for some serious discussion (as Eiviyn's proven here). And all of that is fine and good, but it's also why you shouldn't be judging people. It's kind of a funny thing how big a difference it makes whether someone who doesn't know about something acts like he does or not. Judgement is probably the cancer of mankind, but it's the people who don't care that they're judging folks that ruin this planet. I don't even mean that in a bad way, as I generally like you, but I can't seem to get around that simple observation.
Oh my dear Karawasa, you have much to learn. Like a butterfly feeding on an evening flower, one does not persist upon a single thread for too long before the nectar runs dry. For to feed any longer than absolutely necessary risks going in circles and/or becoming as boring as DrSuperStupid. Hence departing in a timely manner once all that needs to be said, has, is imperative.
Also fuck you I am korean.
@Eiviyn: Go
Cant we just agree that you and Kara, are gay lovers and be done with it?
Good for you!
I'm not sure if you are trying to troll me or not.
Talking to someone online is an inferior form of social contact. Playing games online is an inferior form of exercise. That, is not up for debate.
Are we talking about the same thing?
If you want to get technical about it no one has a right to judge anyone for anything because there are no absolute truths in the world. But we all do it anyway. I just made my opinion public.
Even so, I wouldn't really consider what I did judgement. I have every right to view farming as pathetic. I never claimed it was a fact. You have every right to view me as an asshole. People are entitled to opinions.
There is a game called iCopter on the iPhone that I play all the time. It is a simple game that is based entirely off the Flash game Copter which can be found with a quick Google search. The game involves clicking the mouse to raise the copter, and releasing the mouse to allow gravity to come into effect and lower the copter. When you crash you lose and you must start over.
The amount of meaning in that game is much less than farming. It is the same thing over and over again. So why do I play such a game? Because it allows me to think. When I used to play WoW, and let's say I had to kill, oh I don't know, 30 wolves or something, it would be a time to think, much like with iCopter. Especially with ADD, thinking is difficult when just sitting and doing nothing. Truthfully, farming is actually quite a genius form of entertainment. It's like a mindless game such as iCopter, but it has a reward to work towards. Tell me this. How often while farming does one consciously think about the task they are doing? For me, I'm usually thinking about some idea I will be adding into my Java game, or analyzing something, or even thinking about my girlfriend. And I am willing to bet that anyone who farms does the same thing.
And of course you are entitled to your opinion. However, there is a difference between being opinionated and being judgmental. Instead of implying that the people who farm are ignorant and repetitive, simply state that it isn't your personal favorite form of entertainment.
Great to be back and part of the community again!
I used to farm. I did not fall into the category you specified. I imagine there are others who were aware they were farming. That's why some people quit games like WoW once they hit the grind.
If someone told you they get enjoyment from touching kids...would you just say you don't find that entertaining yourself or would you have the opinion that something is fucked in their head? Do we have a right to judge a pedophile? Technically no. But everyone does anyway.
@Karawasa: Go
so in your point... your defending pedofiles, and hating people who farm in Diablo... wow, you are .... whats that word? oh yeah gay.
and farming is fun, just because you dont know how to do it doesnt mean its not, its that gratification knowing that you have finnaly gotten that item you wanted, Much like finishing a map on Sc2, but on a much smaller scale. and much less time... i hope
This has very little to do with the subject, which has long since been lost, but has anyone else noticed the posters seem to be farming this thread? Perhaps randomly the thread will get locked and the one with the last post will win?
@Karawasa: Go
If a pedophile gave me a legitimate reason to forgive them, than yes, I would no longer judge them. You are also blowing this out of proportion, and you know it. But anyways, I don't understand the point of this argument. Judging people may at times be inevitable, but that doesn't mean it should be sought out.
On a side note, wow has this thread been derailed. If this thread was heading from New York to Chicago, it has now officially arrived in Pakistan.
Great to be back and part of the community again!
@TacoManStan: Go
For that matter would it even be on the planet earth anymore?
I'm more inclined to mete my righteous indignation upon the perpetrators of these insidious Skinner's Boxes rather than berate the individuals who fall prey to them. To me these peddlers are gaming's Dark Side.
You could be right. I'll practice my technique the next time I paint a wall.
Who are you to demand a legitimate reason for forgiveness? What gives you the right to judge them? I am not blowing this out of proportion at all. The argument is that judgement is relative. There are no absolute truths in the world. Therefore, (false) judgement is always inevitable. It is neither good or evil. It is just an opinion.
The point of the argument is that I am no more wrong in judging farmers as pathetic than you are in judging pedophiles as needing forgiveness.
PS: There is no such thing as good or evil.
I hope they don't lock it before I get my loot!!!
@TheZizz: Go
You have one of the best avatars ever. I also agree with you that the producers deserve more wrath.
Comparing pedophiles to farming is moot. Farming isn't illegal. There is good reason to frown upon rape and child molesters. What they do is unlawfaul and hence, against authorities. Judgement over farming isn't as justified, since they are doing nothing to bother you or your society in any direct way. Now maybe if a whole community was addicted to farming and nothing got done, then it would affect you, but it doesn't, so you have no reason to be bothered by it. If your community had a handful of child molesters, then you have issues. Security is the number one thing humans look to. (Followed by food) If that is taken away, people are affected. However, if your neighbor is farming up gold, what the hell does that have to do with anyone else?
@Dragoneles: Go
News flash: illegal and unlawful are also relative!
PS: Did you know that some ancient civilizations practiced pedophilia?
@Karawasa: Go
That's not an arguement.
@Karawasa: Go
1st your an idiot 2nd your an idiot 3rd your an idiot
4th, The life expectancy of people when these civilizations were around was abou 30.... and that was if you were lucky... its different when your only going to live to 30...
and even that doesnt mean it was right, just cause your daddy touches you doesnt mean its okay.
Also these ancient civilizations Cannibalized, and Shredded peoples skins for sport.... i guess in your book this is all okay too?
This is why I am glad I am a christian, because I can win all these stupid arguements that are supported by why ancient civilizations did, by simply realizing, that those were the times before the bible, and During, before Christ. So suck it.
I've heard this kind of reasoning a few times from different persons now and it is just wrong.
If you want to throw everything the human society has accomplished over a few thousand years out of window have fun and go live in your cave. If you want to live in society there are actually certain standards and ethics which make it pretty easy to judge actions on a basic level. You can do whatever you want to yourself and to your body, no one cares. But as soon as other people are involved you should realize that it is a whole different story, so your pedophilia comparison is just a craving for attention as far as I'm concerned, it has nothing to do with the former topic so it is not worth discussing about (in this thread). I mean we can talk about an alternative world in which it is considered "right" by society to abuse children and "wrong" to not do it, but to me that would be a really pointless discussion, because here in our society it is very easy to judge the "level of wrong" from accepting pedophilia compared to condemning someone because he plays a game.
Summarization of this thread:
@Bommes: Go
+1 for pointing out the flaw in the pedophilia argument (It affects other people in negative ways)
+1 for linking xkcd
I believe you are winning this discussion.
Please, this thread is far too entertaining to be locked. Popcorn?
And this is exactly my point. Sure, people are entitled to opinions, but that doesn't mean everyone needs to have one on EVERYTHING, and utter it and insult people just so they can feel better about themselves. Which is basically what Bommes said; there's a code of ethics.
Ever heard of objectivity through inter-subjectivity? That's what this is. Now I by far do not always agree with the opinion of the majority, but that doesn't mean I feel a need to call anyone who enjoys an activity that I do not pathetic. Heck, even though everybody does this daily, it's perhaps even the most stupid thing a person can do - if you do not enjoy an activity you're likely to not know anything about it and therefore form an opinion based on almost nothing. Which is the argument I made in my previous post: as soon as you realize you don't know jack shit about jack shit, you can stop being an asshole. Or if you want that in a more objective version; being demeaning to people needlessly.
Long story short: don't be an asshole and the world will be a better place.
I go away for 2 minutes to get groceries and I come back to see this thread Argumentified. (it's a word) What do you people have to say for yourselves? This is why the mapster isn't mature enough for a facepalm emoticon. Lol.
IN THE BRIGHT SIDE: I found something new for me signature! :D. Thanks wisp!
EDIT:
The reason being is that Christianity was the first religion to implement the value of every individual... Ok maybe... I don't really know. Just wanted to share that knowledge. :P.