I am merely asking to see if I would be able to play with any of you if I do get it. I usually just get them for the story and cinematics :P D3 was absolutely not replayable. So yeah...
I do not wish this topic to end up in a debate or fight, just a question if anyone is getting it and why?
I played D3 when it came out for about 2 weeks straight, then dropped it like a ton of bricks. I loved the combat and the visuals, but the game was nigh unplayable. To me, it had too many design flaws.
The game forced you to play through 3 times to get to max level, the gear you get was never good enough to keep you in the content, and there were arbitrary walls of difficulty that forced you to go hunting for gear in the AH. I haven't touched the game in almost 2 years since it came out.
Loot 2.0 dropped a few weeks ago, and the system threw out everything I hated about the game. They added a difficulty slider so you can choose how hard enemies are (and how much bonus EXP, meaning you can hit 1-60 in one playthrough if you choose), legendaries are actually dropping more often and affect your builds, and all the abilities feel a lot better and focused for different ways to play without feeling you have to be the 'best spec'.
If you have D3, I'd suggest you try the latest patch and see if you like it. That's how Reaper will play. For me, this has brought back a lot of D2 nostalgia, and with the AH going away I've already pre-ordered Reaper. Ask me this 2 weeks ago and I would have told you Diablo 3 was still shit, but the latest patch really did a number of changes that made me have faith again in the series. To me, it really feels like Diablo 2 again.
I think blizzard should stop releasing all the info about games and in-game visuals and models before release = stop doing blizzcons. This will improve the perception ALOT. I personaly liked d3 environmental atmospheres and sound, so imho d3 is the second good game after sc2editor which they released during last 4 years
What this guy said, minus the D2 nostalgia (cause I never played that). I've been playing it again the last couple of days with some palls. Still not sure if it's worth getting the expansion, but maybe I will if we keep playing.
I feel the same except I only started playing D3 recently so it's been a great experience with the new patches. The only issues I have are storyline and lack of a Necromancer. Already pre ordered RoS.
i stopped playing d3 actually, but i reinstalled it a few days ago. i immediately fought some monsters on hard, got my ass kicked, then found a weaker mob to kill. I leveled up, picked up 3 pieces of armor that outscaled my current gear by a long shot, and started clearing mobs 10x faster.
idk what they did, but my gear was sooo outdated. it was fun regardless, when i figure out how to add people i'll start adding names in this thread.
Totally feel ya on the Necro. I'm happy they're adding the Crusader though, the Paladin was my favourite hero from D2. But I do miss the Necro, who was definitely most played class. Witchdoctor just doesn't seem to stack up the same way.
i stopped playing d3 actually, but i reinstalled it a few days ago. i immediately fought some monsters on hard, got my ass kicked, then found a weaker mob to kill. I leveled up, picked up 3 pieces of armor that outscaled my current gear by a long shot, and started clearing mobs 10x faster.
idk what they did, but my gear was sooo outdated. it was fun regardless, when i figure out how to add people i'll start adding names in this thread.
Yeah, I had this too. I remember my Wizard's gear being relatively good when I last played him (over a year ago), having gotten some set pieces and awesome yellows off the AH. He had roughly 15.000 damage. Within literally 1 hour of playing I found so many upgrades I went up to 100.000 damage. Shit, my Monk had 15.000 damage at level 48 or such. Old gear is just completely useless now.
Aside from that, while it seems easier to upgrade in general, I've still had some roadblocks. I had a level 60 Barbarian that I got up to roughly 600.000 toughness and 45.000 damage, but he's been at that point for roughly 5 hours of gameplay now without me finding any upgrades whatsoever. This status quo has been similar for all my characters. And it's not like my gear outlevels the content I'm doing: in general, I've got problems soloing Master difficulty yet I do just fine in a group on Torment 2. I tried to check the Blacksmith to see if I could craft something useful, but the couple of legendary plans I found are all pre-level 60 items =|.
I'm not sure what's going on here, but I'll have to fiddle with this regardless; either I'm doing something wrong and I should be able to solo at least Torment 1 with ease, or I need to be finding upgrades left and right.
I applaud them for trying something new with the witch doctor but I think it's no contest the necro was more fun and looked cooler. I'm also pretty excited for the Crusader as Paladin was my main character in D2. Badass armor and a two handed sword is all I really need to make me happy. :D
I pre-ordered vanilla. Played it for a few months almost non-stop. Realized how much of a bad game it was then started only playing 5-10 minutes each patch to test changes. D3 on consoles is released and I dont touch my PC copy again till Patch 2.0. After Patch 2.0, I'm addicted all over again. That patch made it fun to play again (for me). I will not be getting RoS at release though, Im going to wait a while, hear some feedback and watch some streams of it before I make my decision. The development team really doesn't know what they are doing and I expect them to screw it up initially.
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Aside from that, while it seems easier to upgrade in general, I've still had some roadblocks. I had a level 60 Barbarian that I got up to roughly 600.000 toughness and 45.000 damage, but he's been at that point for roughly 5 hours of gameplay now without me finding any upgrades whatsoever. This status quo has been similar for all my characters. And it's not like my gear outlevels the content I'm doing: in general, I've got problems soloing Master difficulty yet I do just fine in a group on Torment 2. I tried to check the Blacksmith to see if I could craft something useful, but the couple of legendary plans I found are all pre-level 60 items =|.
I'm not sure what's going on here, but I'll have to fiddle with this regardless; either I'm doing something wrong and I should be able to solo at least Torment 1 with ease, or I need to be finding upgrades left and right.
I didn't hit one with my DH. Are you using elemental damage bonus bracers fitting to your main damage skills?
I started at around 20k damage and 400k toughness on my DH 3 days ago and now I've 75.6k damage, 900k toughness (I had 1 million at some point), 18% poison skill damage and 29% on rapid fire & 13% on entangling shot both using a poison damage rune. In solo, I've no troubles in masters now (I'm at the end of act 2 atm, I'm stepping up slowly with laggy laptop and horrible internet connection).
So, maybe you aren't identifying the real damage boosts (skill damage boosts) or you are unlucky. Also, I don't know how many hours I've played... well, I leveled from paragon 20 to 44, so you could use that as a source. Btw, the diamond gem is a great source for resistance, so great that I think that it is too good. So, don't mind about that on your items, just focus on +skills, main stat and vit. Also, I've read somewhere that doing all quests and using the reset quest button gives you a legendary after killing diablo, so you might consider doing that, if it's really in the game already.
I've bought RoS recently. I've played enough D3 to justify its costs and 2.0 made the game much better, so it's a must buy for me.
Started playing again about a few hours before Moz did (Same group of friends), I'm having a hard time getting my characters above 100k Damage, my monk's on 89k after quite a few hours, my wizard gets to about 130k if I stack all kinds of damage passive/skills (which I don't really think is better than using other skills/passives that boost my entire groups damage), while everyone else (except for Moz's barbarian) just jumped straight past my damage and is finding upgrades at the same rate I am, so I'm not really catching up :/ But I'm having fun playing this again. Will probably buy the expansion, still waiting on the group decision, cuz I don't like playing games alone in general.
The crusader looks pretty cool, will definitely be trying him when he's out :)
I also have no idea what you people are talking about, so I will definitely have to play it again. Would I do good in making a new character or actually start playing with the ones I have?
Both works. If you start new, you'll find yourself leveling much faster, and getting legendaries as you progress.
If you use an old character, you'll be replacing all your gear immediately with the first thing you find, and feel an immediate power jump.
It's pretty much win-win as far as having fun is concerned. You still have to be aware of what D3's gameplay is though, so if you don't like repetitive dungeon crawlers or grinding for loot, then this game still might not be for you.
I didn't hit one with my DH. Are you using elemental damage bonus bracers fitting to your main damage skills?
I started at around 20k damage and 400k toughness on my DH 3 days ago and now I've 75.6k damage, 900k toughness (I had 1 million at some point), 18% poison skill damage and 29% on rapid fire 13% on entangling shot both using a poison damage rune. In solo, I've no troubles in masters now (I'm at the end of act 2 atm, I'm stepping up slowly with laggy laptop and horrible internet connection).
So, maybe you aren't identifying the real damage boosts (skill damage boosts) or you are unlucky. Also, I don't know how many hours I've played... well, I leveled from paragon 20 to 44, so you could use that as a source. Btw, the diamond gem is a great source for resistance, so great that I think that it is too good. So, don't mind about that on your items, just focus on +skills, main stat and vit. Also, I've read somewhere that doing all quests and using the reset quest button gives you a legendary after killing diablo, so you might consider doing that, if it's really in the game already.
I've bought RoS recently. I've played enough D3 to justify its costs and 2.0 made the game much better, so it's a must buy for me.
Well, this is the thing - I'd love to use items with 'the right' damage boosts and all, but nothing's dropping. It's not even as much my vitality that's the issue; I can survive against most rares/elites half-decently. It's just that I need to give it my all to do so and stand up to them for roughly a minute (ability chaining and such). Which wouldn't be an issue if I'd make even just a dent, but by that point I'll have taken all 3 mobs down to 90-95% HP or so. As for the guaranteed legendary; I have been doing that (though it actually drops of Diablo, so really all it means is that you should farm the entire game for optimal loot game rather than just one quest), but even legendaries on Torment 2 seem to barely be upgrades. I just... don't know. I guess I'll give it some more playtime, but so far progression seems tantalizingly slow.
I also have no idea what you people are talking about, so I will definitely have to play it again. Would I do good in making a new character or actually start playing with the ones I have?
You'll be fine. Since all old gear sucks balls now you may get your ass kicked for a bit initially, but after an hour of playtime you'll be at least five times as powerful as you started off, so that's no issue. You may also experience some confusion at first as the choice stress hits you (if you play a max level char out of nowhere it takes at least 30 mins to figure out a build you can use, and past that you'll be adjusting for the next couple of hours), but the game on average is forgiving enough for this not to be a problem.
One note though: if you do make a new char, get a friend to boost you on a high difficulty. You can literally do 1-60 in an evening this way, if you put your mind to it. I got my monk from 30 to 55 in just three hours this way, and we weren't rushing.
Also, I just saw the price has dropped $20, is it worth it now? I am just downloading the update and one click away from buying it just because of the price drop xD
It's hard to say if it's worth it. It's not mindblowingly awesome (like that first time you played StarCraft 1), but if you make an objective comparison about the time/money value then for me it was definitely worth it. I personally like to compare games to going to the cinema, a similar medium. The latter costs me 7,50 for 2 hours of entertainment, Diablo 3, so far, has cost me 55,- for roughly 200 hours of entertainment. That makes the game roughly thirteen times as valuable as going to the cinema.
If I do thatI always get the cost back. And going to the cinema in El Salvador costs $3.50. Half of that if you go on wednesday or have a credit card from my bank :P
I'll buy it. Even if I end up just playing through the story. See you guys in there :P
EDIT: Oh wait, nevermind, it's D3 that has dropped its price. RoS is still $40 :P
EDIT2: Yeah, where to get gold? :P
EDIT3:
Yeah it's definitely a different game now. I have no idea what's going on, and I had no idea for the first hour of playing it today, the fact that I did not even remember which quest was I on when I stopped playing didn't quite help. But still, the first mob I killed (which was one of those small shadowy critters in ACT IV) dropped a bow that insanely outperformed my current one. I did not do not even 1k damage but with this new bow I went up to 15k easily... and I could equip it. Which I found mildly amusing.
The first hour of playing was a bit depressing, I died more than a few times, but by the time I climbed through spire 1 and 2 and got to diablo I had found enough gear to easily beat diablo...efforstlessly.
So I realised that, hell,nightmare and inferno do not exist anymore and that I was actually on normal difficulty, which is why I assumed I could eat the crap out of diablo :P So I slided up to master and I am doing kindof fine... leveled up like 5 times in just playing a few hours (usually a level used to be like a 6 hour long playing session for my DH) and I am currently getting the hang of it again.
I am struggling for gold, as I want to remove gems from my previous equipment and the drops for gold barely get me there to remove them one at a time. Ha. And I don't know for the sake of it what the hell paragon levels are...
If you have gear you can easily replace that's socketted, don't bother removing gems since it costs money. Just salvage, and you get the gem back all the same.
I don't know about your economy, but check the AH while it's still up (Gold one, not Real Money). Diamonds here are selling at a crazy high price. I sold two Star Diamonds for 2m each.
Paragon levels are levels you get with any 60 character, carries over to all your other characters. You can level up indefinitely, there is no level cap. You just get secondary stats out of it, nothing crazy. The good thing is you can reset the points and place them again any time, for any character. If you really need gold badly, invest in some Goldfind gear, and one of the Paragon stats is +Gold Find.
...or whatever the name for the expansion is...
So, who's getting it? Is it even worth a shot?
I am merely asking to see if I would be able to play with any of you if I do get it. I usually just get them for the story and cinematics :P D3 was absolutely not replayable. So yeah...
I do not wish this topic to end up in a debate or fight, just a question if anyone is getting it and why?
I played D3 when it came out for about 2 weeks straight, then dropped it like a ton of bricks. I loved the combat and the visuals, but the game was nigh unplayable. To me, it had too many design flaws.
The game forced you to play through 3 times to get to max level, the gear you get was never good enough to keep you in the content, and there were arbitrary walls of difficulty that forced you to go hunting for gear in the AH. I haven't touched the game in almost 2 years since it came out.
Loot 2.0 dropped a few weeks ago, and the system threw out everything I hated about the game. They added a difficulty slider so you can choose how hard enemies are (and how much bonus EXP, meaning you can hit 1-60 in one playthrough if you choose), legendaries are actually dropping more often and affect your builds, and all the abilities feel a lot better and focused for different ways to play without feeling you have to be the 'best spec'.
If you have D3, I'd suggest you try the latest patch and see if you like it. That's how Reaper will play. For me, this has brought back a lot of D2 nostalgia, and with the AH going away I've already pre-ordered Reaper. Ask me this 2 weeks ago and I would have told you Diablo 3 was still shit, but the latest patch really did a number of changes that made me have faith again in the series. To me, it really feels like Diablo 2 again.
I think blizzard should stop releasing all the info about games and in-game visuals and models before release = stop doing blizzcons. This will improve the perception ALOT. I personaly liked d3 environmental atmospheres and sound, so imho d3 is the second good game after sc2editor which they released during last 4 years
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What this guy said, minus the D2 nostalgia (cause I never played that). I've been playing it again the last couple of days with some palls. Still not sure if it's worth getting the expansion, but maybe I will if we keep playing.
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I feel the same except I only started playing D3 recently so it's been a great experience with the new patches. The only issues I have are storyline and lack of a Necromancer. Already pre ordered RoS.
Okay, seems like I need to redownload D3 and start playing again :P
i stopped playing d3 actually, but i reinstalled it a few days ago. i immediately fought some monsters on hard, got my ass kicked, then found a weaker mob to kill. I leveled up, picked up 3 pieces of armor that outscaled my current gear by a long shot, and started clearing mobs 10x faster.
idk what they did, but my gear was sooo outdated. it was fun regardless, when i figure out how to add people i'll start adding names in this thread.
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Totally feel ya on the Necro. I'm happy they're adding the Crusader though, the Paladin was my favourite hero from D2. But I do miss the Necro, who was definitely most played class. Witchdoctor just doesn't seem to stack up the same way.
Yeah, I had this too. I remember my Wizard's gear being relatively good when I last played him (over a year ago), having gotten some set pieces and awesome yellows off the AH. He had roughly 15.000 damage. Within literally 1 hour of playing I found so many upgrades I went up to 100.000 damage. Shit, my Monk had 15.000 damage at level 48 or such. Old gear is just completely useless now.
Aside from that, while it seems easier to upgrade in general, I've still had some roadblocks. I had a level 60 Barbarian that I got up to roughly 600.000 toughness and 45.000 damage, but he's been at that point for roughly 5 hours of gameplay now without me finding any upgrades whatsoever. This status quo has been similar for all my characters. And it's not like my gear outlevels the content I'm doing: in general, I've got problems soloing Master difficulty yet I do just fine in a group on Torment 2. I tried to check the Blacksmith to see if I could craft something useful, but the couple of legendary plans I found are all pre-level 60 items =|.
I'm not sure what's going on here, but I'll have to fiddle with this regardless; either I'm doing something wrong and I should be able to solo at least Torment 1 with ease, or I need to be finding upgrades left and right.
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I applaud them for trying something new with the witch doctor but I think it's no contest the necro was more fun and looked cooler. I'm also pretty excited for the Crusader as Paladin was my main character in D2. Badass armor and a two handed sword is all I really need to make me happy. :D
I pre-ordered vanilla. Played it for a few months almost non-stop. Realized how much of a bad game it was then started only playing 5-10 minutes each patch to test changes. D3 on consoles is released and I dont touch my PC copy again till Patch 2.0. After Patch 2.0, I'm addicted all over again. That patch made it fun to play again (for me). I will not be getting RoS at release though, Im going to wait a while, hear some feedback and watch some streams of it before I make my decision. The development team really doesn't know what they are doing and I expect them to screw it up initially.
I didn't hit one with my DH. Are you using elemental damage bonus bracers fitting to your main damage skills?
I started at around 20k damage and 400k toughness on my DH 3 days ago and now I've 75.6k damage, 900k toughness (I had 1 million at some point), 18% poison skill damage and 29% on rapid fire & 13% on entangling shot both using a poison damage rune. In solo, I've no troubles in masters now (I'm at the end of act 2 atm, I'm stepping up slowly with laggy laptop and horrible internet connection).
So, maybe you aren't identifying the real damage boosts (skill damage boosts) or you are unlucky. Also, I don't know how many hours I've played... well, I leveled from paragon 20 to 44, so you could use that as a source. Btw, the diamond gem is a great source for resistance, so great that I think that it is too good. So, don't mind about that on your items, just focus on +skills, main stat and vit. Also, I've read somewhere that doing all quests and using the reset quest button gives you a legendary after killing diablo, so you might consider doing that, if it's really in the game already.
I've bought RoS recently. I've played enough D3 to justify its costs and 2.0 made the game much better, so it's a must buy for me.
...fixed the title cuz it was annoying me...
Started playing again about a few hours before Moz did (Same group of friends), I'm having a hard time getting my characters above 100k Damage, my monk's on 89k after quite a few hours, my wizard gets to about 130k if I stack all kinds of damage passive/skills (which I don't really think is better than using other skills/passives that boost my entire groups damage), while everyone else (except for Moz's barbarian) just jumped straight past my damage and is finding upgrades at the same rate I am, so I'm not really catching up :/ But I'm having fun playing this again. Will probably buy the expansion, still waiting on the group decision, cuz I don't like playing games alone in general.
The crusader looks pretty cool, will definitely be trying him when he's out :)
Ha, thanks.
I also have no idea what you people are talking about, so I will definitely have to play it again. Would I do good in making a new character or actually start playing with the ones I have?
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Both works. If you start new, you'll find yourself leveling much faster, and getting legendaries as you progress.
If you use an old character, you'll be replacing all your gear immediately with the first thing you find, and feel an immediate power jump.
It's pretty much win-win as far as having fun is concerned. You still have to be aware of what D3's gameplay is though, so if you don't like repetitive dungeon crawlers or grinding for loot, then this game still might not be for you.
Well, this is the thing - I'd love to use items with 'the right' damage boosts and all, but nothing's dropping. It's not even as much my vitality that's the issue; I can survive against most rares/elites half-decently. It's just that I need to give it my all to do so and stand up to them for roughly a minute (ability chaining and such). Which wouldn't be an issue if I'd make even just a dent, but by that point I'll have taken all 3 mobs down to 90-95% HP or so. As for the guaranteed legendary; I have been doing that (though it actually drops of Diablo, so really all it means is that you should farm the entire game for optimal loot game rather than just one quest), but even legendaries on Torment 2 seem to barely be upgrades. I just... don't know. I guess I'll give it some more playtime, but so far progression seems tantalizingly slow.
You'll be fine. Since all old gear sucks balls now you may get your ass kicked for a bit initially, but after an hour of playtime you'll be at least five times as powerful as you started off, so that's no issue. You may also experience some confusion at first as the choice stress hits you (if you play a max level char out of nowhere it takes at least 30 mins to figure out a build you can use, and past that you'll be adjusting for the next couple of hours), but the game on average is forgiving enough for this not to be a problem.
One note though: if you do make a new char, get a friend to boost you on a high difficulty. You can literally do 1-60 in an evening this way, if you put your mind to it. I got my monk from 30 to 55 in just three hours this way, and we weren't rushing.
Also, I just saw the price has dropped $20, is it worth it now? I am just downloading the update and one click away from buying it just because of the price drop xD
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It's hard to say if it's worth it. It's not mindblowingly awesome (like that first time you played StarCraft 1), but if you make an objective comparison about the time/money value then for me it was definitely worth it. I personally like to compare games to going to the cinema, a similar medium. The latter costs me 7,50 for 2 hours of entertainment, Diablo 3, so far, has cost me 55,- for roughly 200 hours of entertainment. That makes the game roughly thirteen times as valuable as going to the cinema.
If I do thatI always get the cost back. And going to the cinema in El Salvador costs $3.50. Half of that if you go on wednesday or have a credit card from my bank :P
I'll buy it. Even if I end up just playing through the story. See you guys in there :P
EDIT: Oh wait, nevermind, it's D3 that has dropped its price. RoS is still $40 :P EDIT2: Yeah, where to get gold? :P
EDIT3: Yeah it's definitely a different game now. I have no idea what's going on, and I had no idea for the first hour of playing it today, the fact that I did not even remember which quest was I on when I stopped playing didn't quite help. But still, the first mob I killed (which was one of those small shadowy critters in ACT IV) dropped a bow that insanely outperformed my current one. I did not do not even 1k damage but with this new bow I went up to 15k easily... and I could equip it. Which I found mildly amusing.
The first hour of playing was a bit depressing, I died more than a few times, but by the time I climbed through spire 1 and 2 and got to diablo I had found enough gear to easily beat diablo...efforstlessly.
So I realised that, hell,nightmare and inferno do not exist anymore and that I was actually on normal difficulty, which is why I assumed I could eat the crap out of diablo :P So I slided up to master and I am doing kindof fine... leveled up like 5 times in just playing a few hours (usually a level used to be like a 6 hour long playing session for my DH) and I am currently getting the hang of it again.
I am struggling for gold, as I want to remove gems from my previous equipment and the drops for gold barely get me there to remove them one at a time. Ha. And I don't know for the sake of it what the hell paragon levels are...
If you have gear you can easily replace that's socketted, don't bother removing gems since it costs money. Just salvage, and you get the gem back all the same.
I don't know about your economy, but check the AH while it's still up (Gold one, not Real Money). Diamonds here are selling at a crazy high price. I sold two Star Diamonds for 2m each.
Paragon levels are levels you get with any 60 character, carries over to all your other characters. You can level up indefinitely, there is no level cap. You just get secondary stats out of it, nothing crazy. The good thing is you can reset the points and place them again any time, for any character. If you really need gold badly, invest in some Goldfind gear, and one of the Paragon stats is +Gold Find.