I saw an article on Yahoo today that was a total joke - it said that the Senate was close to voting to end the shutdown. What it failed to mention in this headline is that the Senate has already voted (successfully) several times to end the shutdown, but it is the House that will not do so.
Polls have shown that public opinion is that the Republicans are to blame for the shutdown (as it was them who refused to keep it open by turning what is usually a routine procedure into blackmail directed at "Obamacare"). I think that, knowing this, they will be too afraid to let the Democrats "win" even more by reopening the government without some sort of major concession (that they won't get), and so they will let the government default, which will actually end up being much worse for them (and everyone else).
I usually don't reply to these posts due to its unfortunate magnetism of trolls and flamers, but I will humor myself haha
To be honest, I am unsure (but I will write logical prediction using the information I have), this has been one of the more difficult things to follow, and filter out all the lies and shady language. It changes daily, and I have even heard a talk show radio host say that it is difficult to follow even with allot of information getting streamed to him. It will most likely last another week in my prediction.
(warning next paragraph contains political opinion that may offend others, generalization is also used for purposes of summary)
My Thoughts: From what I have been hearing, assuming that my sources are telling the truth, the democrats, as well as Obama will stretch the shutdown for as long as possible, and make it as painful as possible, and only once they are forced to re open the 15% or 13% of unessential government, and have some form of the (un)affordable care act operating out at the other end, they will then re open the government and blame the republicans, as they have been doing thus far. It truly makes me mad watching this political scuffle, I see this as a political one up at the cost of another strike at the well being of a country, but it is almost funny to think that I myself would not even know this was happening if there was no radio or television, so with all this drama, it really is not the end of the world.
Now I will apologize for not having any citation, I look forward to reading any more posts here.
Since the US Independence war, US has never directly defaulted on its loans/debt. It always defaulted on the dollar. Which partially already happened as the Federal reserve buys up most of the the new debt (they already around 2 trillion), its like they are defaulting on the interest of the debt.
A direct default would make US a 3rd world country instantly (as US would loose all foreign trust and most of the debt actually hold by US organizations).
Also, what not many is talking about is that even the fed buys up most of the new treasuries, the interest rate started rising and many financial assets are tied to it... ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/10/08/whats-happening-in-the-treasury-bill-market-today-should-terrify-you/ )
And the nonsense political acting that is going on is surely not helping.
Btw, as I know that there is actually much much more debt hold by the US states and institutes than the actually debt hold by the federal gov. If the rates go up on the treasuries, then it will go up on those local loans too and you will see more and more Detroit.
I don't think that the Democrats will offer any form of concession when it comes to the Affordable Care Act. It was passed with a majority in both houses and its constitutionality upheld by the Supreme Court, AND it is projected to decrease deficits by the Congressional Budget Office.
Just because you don't have the votes to defund/delay/repeal a piece of legislation doesn't mean that you should shut down the government, as the Republicans in the House have done. It's the direct equivalent of blackmail and for the Democrats to offer any form of concession on the matter would essentially give the Republicans a go-ahead to pull this stunt every time they didn't like something.
Edit: I should add that it's not unlike a child throwing a temper tantrum.
I think the only way it will be avoided is if they come up with some sort of arrangement unrelated to the Affordable Care Act. Perhaps if they temporarily fund the government, or reach some sort of budget agreement. But it won't involve the ACA.
Even without the ACA, US spends twice as much as it should. It will default, it just matter of the time and how. (though as I said, technically they already defaulted on the interest payments by the dollar...)
Saw what twist? What "let them have it" strategy? You're just not making sense.
Also, your little bit about making life harder is pure conspiracy. You don't lend yourself much credibility when you use a phrase like "Obama's royal administration".
No the congress is hold hostage by royal green aliens, its a long story...
To give a little insight: its all interconnected, actually the whole thing was started by a butterfly wing.
Kinda funny how he's changed his stance from "OMG OBAMA IS A [Select adjective: COMMUNIST, DICTATOR, EVIL IMPERIALIST, ILLUMINATI AGENT] FOR INTRODUCING HEALTHCARE REFORMS ETC ETC + [insert link from infowars.com]" to zombies right after the shutdown he predicted was postponed. Guess he'll say that Alex Jones was just joking to cover up his fail as well.
I wonder what he'll come up with next; maybe Obama is finally setting up those imaginary FEMA concentration camps[citation NOT needed] to process Obamacare patients? ;)
HuskyStarcraft moved to california and close to LA and talks about how he loves the "fast pace of life, everyone's doing something all the time" well that's the mainstream definition of a zombie-trendy groups. Husky got him self into stupido central, crawling with youtube/smartphone freaks who just live the rattlife on food stamps and making stupid youtube videos for boring basement dwellers to watch, these people are the first one's that will suffer, these drones have zero idea what planet they live on.
Agreed, how do we stop the Illuminati mind-control? What if Gabe Newell is actually subliminally indoctrinating people through Steam? After all, there was mind-control water in Half-Life 2. What if he's actually trying to warn us? What if the Combine actually is real, and Gabe made Half-Life 2 to warn us of it?
Regarding the U.S.,
I think that the government is going to default.
I saw an article on Yahoo today that was a total joke - it said that the Senate was close to voting to end the shutdown. What it failed to mention in this headline is that the Senate has already voted (successfully) several times to end the shutdown, but it is the House that will not do so.
Polls have shown that public opinion is that the Republicans are to blame for the shutdown (as it was them who refused to keep it open by turning what is usually a routine procedure into blackmail directed at "Obamacare"). I think that, knowing this, they will be too afraid to let the Democrats "win" even more by reopening the government without some sort of major concession (that they won't get), and so they will let the government default, which will actually end up being much worse for them (and everyone else).
Thoughts?
@MasterWrath: Go
I usually don't reply to these posts due to its unfortunate magnetism of trolls and flamers, but I will humor myself haha
To be honest, I am unsure (but I will write logical prediction using the information I have), this has been one of the more difficult things to follow, and filter out all the lies and shady language. It changes daily, and I have even heard a talk show radio host say that it is difficult to follow even with allot of information getting streamed to him. It will most likely last another week in my prediction.
(warning next paragraph contains political opinion that may offend others, generalization is also used for purposes of summary)
My Thoughts: From what I have been hearing, assuming that my sources are telling the truth, the democrats, as well as Obama will stretch the shutdown for as long as possible, and make it as painful as possible, and only once they are forced to re open the 15% or 13% of unessential government, and have some form of the (un)affordable care act operating out at the other end, they will then re open the government and blame the republicans, as they have been doing thus far. It truly makes me mad watching this political scuffle, I see this as a political one up at the cost of another strike at the well being of a country, but it is almost funny to think that I myself would not even know this was happening if there was no radio or television, so with all this drama, it really is not the end of the world.
Now I will apologize for not having any citation, I look forward to reading any more posts here.
@MasterWrath: Go
Since the US Independence war, US has never directly defaulted on its loans/debt. It always defaulted on the dollar. Which partially already happened as the Federal reserve buys up most of the the new debt (they already around 2 trillion), its like they are defaulting on the interest of the debt.
A direct default would make US a 3rd world country instantly (as US would loose all foreign trust and most of the debt actually hold by US organizations).
Also, what not many is talking about is that even the fed buys up most of the new treasuries, the interest rate started rising and many financial assets are tied to it... ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/10/08/whats-happening-in-the-treasury-bill-market-today-should-terrify-you/ )
And the nonsense political acting that is going on is surely not helping.
Btw, as I know that there is actually much much more debt hold by the US states and institutes than the actually debt hold by the federal gov. If the rates go up on the treasuries, then it will go up on those local loans too and you will see more and more Detroit.
@joecab: Go
I don't think that the Democrats will offer any form of concession when it comes to the Affordable Care Act. It was passed with a majority in both houses and its constitutionality upheld by the Supreme Court, AND it is projected to decrease deficits by the Congressional Budget Office.
Just because you don't have the votes to defund/delay/repeal a piece of legislation doesn't mean that you should shut down the government, as the Republicans in the House have done. It's the direct equivalent of blackmail and for the Democrats to offer any form of concession on the matter would essentially give the Republicans a go-ahead to pull this stunt every time they didn't like something.
Edit: I should add that it's not unlike a child throwing a temper tantrum.
@Hookah604: Go
I think the only way it will be avoided is if they come up with some sort of arrangement unrelated to the Affordable Care Act. Perhaps if they temporarily fund the government, or reach some sort of budget agreement. But it won't involve the ACA.
Just this :D
@MasterWrath: Go
Even without the ACA, US spends twice as much as it should. It will default, it just matter of the time and how. (though as I said, technically they already defaulted on the interest payments by the dollar...)
I actually think the white house will have their hand full on all the negativity the shutdown brings them if they continue any longer
@Stewox: Go
Saw what twist? What "let them have it" strategy? You're just not making sense.
Also, your little bit about making life harder is pure conspiracy. You don't lend yourself much credibility when you use a phrase like "Obama's royal administration".
@Stewox: Go
No the congress is hold hostage by royal green aliens, its a long story...
To give a little insight: its all interconnected, actually the whole thing was started by a butterfly wing.
When not even FenixKissKerrigan takes you seriously you know you've reached a certain treshold.
@Stewox: Go
Zombies are coming because Chase wants you to upgrade your bank account to a more expensive one.
Though, Jamie seems to be clear on the situation: http://www.bloomberg.com/video/dimon-says-bond-turn-against-u-s-virtually-assured-N3hktVnuRqeeN2f~kUQSfA.html
Only misc things are shut down nothing of value. food stamps and welfair and such r still being issues and stuff
Kinda funny how he's changed his stance from "OMG OBAMA IS A [Select adjective: COMMUNIST, DICTATOR, EVIL IMPERIALIST, ILLUMINATI AGENT] FOR INTRODUCING HEALTHCARE REFORMS ETC ETC + [insert link from infowars.com]" to zombies right after the shutdown he predicted was postponed. Guess he'll say that Alex Jones was just joking to cover up his fail as well.
I wonder what he'll come up with next; maybe Obama is finally setting up those imaginary FEMA concentration camps[citation NOT needed] to process Obamacare patients? ;)
Agreed, how do we stop the Illuminati mind-control? What if Gabe Newell is actually subliminally indoctrinating people through Steam? After all, there was mind-control water in Half-Life 2. What if he's actually trying to warn us? What if the Combine actually is real, and Gabe made Half-Life 2 to warn us of it?