Our right to bare arms is our most sacred right and its working great, But we need to disallow Handguns, and automatics.... the rest can be your defense, but have a hunting purpose too...you cant hunt deer with an uzi
Of course it is our most sacred right! Who wouldn't want a pair of bear arms hanging over their fireplace!!!
But seriously, yah why the hell do people believe they need an automatic for self defense? It's like their thinking that a terrorist or a nazi is going to pop up out of no where in their backyard and attack them. might as well get an RPG-7 too or a tank...
Also to Hookah, i see that you posted a couple of links to wikipedia. I personally wouldn't trust much from Wiki without confirming the information from other, more trustworthy, sites seeing as just about anyone can change anything on wiki and put completely false info. just saying....
@KingRadical: Go
Those stuff which frequently viewed on wiki is pretty solid. Because if somebody mess it than its corrected fast...
Seems like nobody here knows, what is purpose of the 2nd amendment:
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Its not a coincidence, that they put it after the military and its the 2nd amendment. Also think in the age of their time: Fire arms were pretty powerful, only cannons were more powerful at that time and it was written after a revolution.
This amendment is not made for self defense or for hunting.
If any unapproved government would taken control of America in that time, the Americans could easily removed it as long as they have majority of people on their side as most owned fire arms after the revolution.
@Taintedwisp: Go
12% of what?
Its depression as more and more giving up in investing... Its not jet full on, as leaders just prolonging the agony.
My Father and me too gave up in investing into markets... (his company was also crashed by a bank...)
I personally think it will be much worse than 1929. And forget GDP, CPI and unemployment, even if they all have bad statics. You should only watch the industrial output in these times and the last 3 month of it was a disaster. And not to mention the close to 1 quadrillion derivatives...
Wikipedia planning on shutting down the days before the debate on the congress (this is HUGE if it finally happens, which probably will, I wonder for how long, they could have it 3 days off without losses, since they have no income at all):
Megaupload paid some artists to do a promotion video, and Universal Music Group removed it from youtube using their copyright removement tools, claiming copyright, when they didn't own anything on the video.
Not sure if Megaupload intended this from the very beginning, but UMG acted just like retards and just showed the destructive potential SOPA/E-PARASITE/PROTECT-IP could give the multinationals. They remove videos because they want when they have no copyright over them. Censorship in all it's "glory".
The Spanish version of this law (said by Wikileaks to have been forced by the US embassy) didn't succeed, between other reasons, for the huge protest on the net.
This thread is getting a bit mad, but none the less I will try present some arguments.
But TB will probably do better: (maybe post this elsewhere too?)
@Mozared: Go You are arguing that the uprisers are wrong since there is no uprising. Otherwise you're as right as always.
@SouLCarveRR: Go (and maybe someone else) It's not that the companies will shut down major sites as it is that they will be able to. An entire site can be shut down by a single user not following "existing laws".
Reductio ad absurdum: Two sites wich has user contents on them are competing, someone from site 1 can post copyright material on site 2 anonymously, site 1 can shut down/sue site 2.
This can be applied to anyone with access to copyright material wanting to harm a site in wich something can be posted...
Mozared is right though, I have not checked my facts on this, i'm just sumarizing and drawing some conclusions from the video.
So pls watch the vid wich surely links credible sites.
I like how GoDaddy changed their mined after loosing more than 70k clients.
(I wonder how did they get so retarded managers to announce they support SOPA)
I'm pretty sure it won't pass. Anyways these kind of bills are mainly for copyright issues. So piracy. If a company gives permission then the content should be ok, leaving the blizzard game sites and casters perfectly fine. California was trying to get a bill to pass to stop any copyrighted material without the owner's consent to be taken down and jail time. But since blizzard allows casters and their material to be used it should be fine.
Anyway what I said was I think this bill is mostly so that the government can protect the intellectual property of it's rights holders from overseas infringement by restricting it's availability. It could be done within the country but I think they have less interest in pursuing it when they can already enforce it at the civil level within the country.
That being said it's still too overbearing- it needs restrictions and warnings. I think if it were to be used against a country it should first be blacklisted as being unwilling to enforce the rights of copyright holders a measure that can be lifted later.
If this were to be enforced willy nilly it could put a lot of people out of business, not because they can't host copyright material but because some places even if they go down overnight could go bankrupt on the hardware they are having to pay for or are renting for their web presence.
Why do people even get worked up about these bills? They never pass anyways. These kind of bills have been going around for years. California has been trying to get Mature rated games off store shelves for a long time now and require games use some Californian made ESRB. Never passes though.
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Why do people even get worked up about these bills? They never pass anyways. These kind of bills have been going around for years. California has been trying to get Mature rated games off store shelves for a long time now and require games use some Californian made ESRB. Never passes though.
Because the second we start ignoring them is when they will pass them and it will be too late.
I'm not saying to ignore them. But stop acting like it's 2012 or something...
Video game websites and blogs and anything related to video games has to have at least 3 articles on sopa or something like it a week. It's quite tiresome seeing this brought up over and over again.
I may be a little off-topic here since I won't be talking about SOPA, but in case you're interested... We had an anti-piracy group in France which was called Hadopi, basically its goal was to protect copyright laws on internet (about music mainly, but also controlling P2P, torrent downloads, etc.). It had to be shut down the 24th of December last year, because 3 of its members couldn't be part of this group anymore (for legal issues concerning their status in the government). The very own existence of Hadopi became illegal because they were not enough anymore for the group to exist. The funny thing is someone in L'Elysee (official residence of the president) was also downloading MP3s illegally from one of the computers in the office...
Just to say I wouldn't worry THAT much about SOPA. It will eventually die of its own, or so I hope...
I'm sorry, but you cannot be sent to jail without a trial and proof. That's a direct violation of the constitution
Wait, wait...your talking about that shallow piece of paper that no one cares about anymore? I bet if you went up and to one person on the street and asked them what the first amendment was, they would have no idea.
Welcome to Modern Society, the century where we get our rights taken away because we don't know what they are anyway!
I know this is a late reply, but many of the statements from the guys around here that doesn't have anything against SOPA and the likes , are just pure assumptions. You have to look at the facts. Deep down, SOPA really breaks a lot of the fundamental laws and rights we have as citizens in a country, just on the internet.
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@Hookah604: Go
12% isnt a depression... 1987 market crash was 28% and the 1910s crash was about a 89%, this is a recession that the media is hyping up.
Of course it is our most sacred right! Who wouldn't want a pair of bear arms hanging over their fireplace!!! But seriously, yah why the hell do people believe they need an automatic for self defense? It's like their thinking that a terrorist or a nazi is going to pop up out of no where in their backyard and attack them. might as well get an RPG-7 too or a tank...
Also to Hookah, i see that you posted a couple of links to wikipedia. I personally wouldn't trust much from Wiki without confirming the information from other, more trustworthy, sites seeing as just about anyone can change anything on wiki and put completely false info. just saying....
@KingRadical: Go Those stuff which frequently viewed on wiki is pretty solid. Because if somebody mess it than its corrected fast...
Seems like nobody here knows, what is purpose of the 2nd amendment:
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Its not a coincidence, that they put it after the military and its the 2nd amendment. Also think in the age of their time: Fire arms were pretty powerful, only cannons were more powerful at that time and it was written after a revolution.
This amendment is not made for self defense or for hunting.
If any unapproved government would taken control of America in that time, the Americans could easily removed it as long as they have majority of people on their side as most owned fire arms after the revolution.
@Taintedwisp: Go 12% of what?
Its depression as more and more giving up in investing... Its not jet full on, as leaders just prolonging the agony.
My Father and me too gave up in investing into markets... (his company was also crashed by a bank...)
I personally think it will be much worse than 1929. And forget GDP, CPI and unemployment, even if they all have bad statics. You should only watch the industrial output in these times and the last 3 month of it was a disaster. And not to mention the close to 1 quadrillion derivatives...
A good article on Sopa and Hollywood: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111214/16044417088/behind-scenes-how-dc-decided-to-regulate-internet-to-protect-hollywood-innovating.shtml
HAHA SOPA:
Common sense?! In my Internet?!
Anyway, quoting a post by myself in other forum:
Maybe too slowly...
By the way, UMG replay to Megaupload demand: they have a contract with youtube that lets them remove any video they want. Any. Video. Source: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/12/umg-we-have-the-right-to-block-or-remove-youtube-videos.ars
WITH this bill they'll be able to remove any website. It's incredible how much the US politic system is rotten.
Also, some Silicon Valley common sense: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-57342914-281/silicon-valley-execs-blast-sopa-in-open-letter/ (but not enough, big ones still support it... idiots).
Hello, I'm Sheo's brother.
This thread is getting a bit mad, but none the less I will try present some arguments.
But TB will probably do better: (maybe post this elsewhere too?)
@Mozared: Go You are arguing that the uprisers are wrong since there is no uprising. Otherwise you're as right as always.
@SouLCarveRR: Go (and maybe someone else) It's not that the companies will shut down major sites as it is that they will be able to. An entire site can be shut down by a single user not following "existing laws".
Reductio ad absurdum: Two sites wich has user contents on them are competing, someone from site 1 can post copyright material on site 2 anonymously, site 1 can shut down/sue site 2.
This can be applied to anyone with access to copyright material wanting to harm a site in wich something can be posted...
Mozared is right though, I have not checked my facts on this, i'm just sumarizing and drawing some conclusions from the video.
So pls watch the vid wich surely links credible sites.
"The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws." Tacitus, Roman senator and historian (A.D. c.56-c.115)
US:
Does sc2mapster use GoDaddy? If so, then it should move!
I like how GoDaddy changed their mined after loosing more than 70k clients.
(I wonder how did they get so retarded managers to announce they support SOPA)
I'm pretty sure it won't pass. Anyways these kind of bills are mainly for copyright issues. So piracy. If a company gives permission then the content should be ok, leaving the blizzard game sites and casters perfectly fine. California was trying to get a bill to pass to stop any copyrighted material without the owner's consent to be taken down and jail time. But since blizzard allows casters and their material to be used it should be fine.
Hmm where did my post go.
Anyway what I said was I think this bill is mostly so that the government can protect the intellectual property of it's rights holders from overseas infringement by restricting it's availability. It could be done within the country but I think they have less interest in pursuing it when they can already enforce it at the civil level within the country.
That being said it's still too overbearing- it needs restrictions and warnings. I think if it were to be used against a country it should first be blacklisted as being unwilling to enforce the rights of copyright holders a measure that can be lifted later.
If this were to be enforced willy nilly it could put a lot of people out of business, not because they can't host copyright material but because some places even if they go down overnight could go bankrupt on the hardware they are having to pay for or are renting for their web presence.
Supporting Congressmen of peta where caught with downloaded porn and books on their computers... Illegally...
UPDATE:!!!
SOPA SHUTDOWN!!!!!! till next year atleast, We still got two other bills to kill, The protect IP, and i forget the other but its the devil too.
Why do people even get worked up about these bills? They never pass anyways. These kind of bills have been going around for years. California has been trying to get Mature rated games off store shelves for a long time now and require games use some Californian made ESRB. Never passes though.
Quote from Keyeszx:
Why do people even get worked up about these bills? They never pass anyways. These kind of bills have been going around for years. California has been trying to get Mature rated games off store shelves for a long time now and require games use some Californian made ESRB. Never passes though.
Because the second we start ignoring them is when they will pass them and it will be too late.
@Taintedwisp: Go
I'm not saying to ignore them. But stop acting like it's 2012 or something...
Video game websites and blogs and anything related to video games has to have at least 3 articles on sopa or something like it a week. It's quite tiresome seeing this brought up over and over again.
I may be a little off-topic here since I won't be talking about SOPA, but in case you're interested... We had an anti-piracy group in France which was called Hadopi, basically its goal was to protect copyright laws on internet (about music mainly, but also controlling P2P, torrent downloads, etc.). It had to be shut down the 24th of December last year, because 3 of its members couldn't be part of this group anymore (for legal issues concerning their status in the government). The very own existence of Hadopi became illegal because they were not enough anymore for the group to exist. The funny thing is someone in L'Elysee (official residence of the president) was also downloading MP3s illegally from one of the computers in the office...
Just to say I wouldn't worry THAT much about SOPA. It will eventually die of its own, or so I hope...
Wait, wait...your talking about that shallow piece of paper that no one cares about anymore? I bet if you went up and to one person on the street and asked them what the first amendment was, they would have no idea.
Welcome to Modern Society, the century where we get our rights taken away because we don't know what they are anyway!
@SouLCarveRR: Go
I know this is a late reply, but many of the statements from the guys around here that doesn't have anything against SOPA and the likes , are just pure assumptions. You have to look at the facts. Deep down, SOPA really breaks a lot of the fundamental laws and rights we have as citizens in a country, just on the internet.