The problem is immature little kids like yourself who feel the need to say something just because people don't like it. You're like a baby who doesn't want something until it's taken away. If nobody got offended by the word faggot you wouldn't use it.
The problem is immature little kids like yourself who feel the need to say something just because people don't like it. You're like a baby who doesn't want something until it's taken away. If nobody got offended by the word faggot you wouldn't use it.
I bet you're huge on rage-quitting.
I notice a few things, Everytime this account is used its only to insult me or troll someone else, Leaving me to believe this is a 2nd account to Maknyuzz, So sad no one gives a damn, and personally I dont give a fuck if anyone is offended, Because you know what, No one is better then anyone else, And im not going to watch what I say when people say cracker, GD, Redneck, or any of the variation, So pelase STFU, troll.
PS: I have yet to rage quit a game, Ever, I always finish the fight...
Also I never had what was taken away in the first place...
I just believe in EQUALITY, true equality....
You know, People weren't Insecure and committing suicide before the 1960s, its when people started careing that these rates GREATLY increased, This proves my point, But theres a difference in calling someone a fag, and treating someone like shit because their gay.
Maybe because I have no idea what the hell you're talking about. -_-
Either way, my only point is, It doesnt matter what you say to someone, its how you act towards them.
I can call a black man a nigger all day(cept some of the dumber ones or more politically correct), but if I say it in a hateful way, thats when it becomes bad.
The minoritys WANT racism to exist, If it didnt then they couldnt get
all the extra stuff....
Its like that in every western country. Here in Hungary its probably
much worse than in most of Usa...
Same goes for the religions...
Yeah, same here at Spain. Newly arrived South Americans of Africans get shitload of privileges while the locals have to pay every single cent, and then you see those same immigrants wearing gold chains in their way to getting their monthly state financial help.
Yeah, same here at Spain. Newly arrived South Americans of Africans get shitload of privileges while the locals have to pay every single cent, and then you see those same immigrants wearing gold chains in their way to getting their monthly state financial help.
Yeah, same here at Spain. Newly arrived South Americans of Africans get shitload of privileges while the locals have to pay every single cent, and then you see those same immigrants wearing gold chains in their way to getting their monthly state financial help.
PS: Yeah, this derailed like hell xDDD.
PS2: I miss Rodrigo, too :(.
LOL its funny Mexicans get mad when you dont call them spanish, I told one, onetime I didnt want to insult people from spain lol
...But censorship is increasingly being thrusted upon us whether we like it or not. Vevo is a pile of shit because every single song from Vevo is censored ... I am not a child, it seems that the majority of governments and private orgranisations are turning the world into a nanny state.
A person's willingness to listen to censored music has no bearing on whether that person is a child or adult. Vimeo also has little to do with nanny states. Do you know why Vimeo exists? Because they provide a service people want. Part of that service is exposing an artists music to as broad an audience as it can which requires certain precautions to be taken to facilitate this. If you don't like it, that is most likely because you are not part of the audience Vimeo is trying to appeal to and should find an alternative that allows you to listen to the music in its unedited form.
Your statement above is flawed for another reason as well. When the United States government censors a portion of its population that is often a violation of our first amendment rights. When a business censors its own product without a government mandate, that is actually the business exercising their own right to free speech. It is their product, they own (or control) it, and they can present it however they wish.
I was banned. Now, if you take a look through my game history, I have been involved in some pretty good e-fights which have involved everything under the sun except for the word fag ... like ugh ... mother fucking cunt nugget - that will not get me banned because swearing is not against the ToS.
I assume you mean the Terms of Use, Battle.net does not have a ToS. Using profanity like that can get you banned because all harassment is against the Terms of Use. What will not get you banned is using profanity in the presence of someone who doesn't care, or doesn't know how to report it. Here are the relevant statement copied from the Terms of use:
"BLIZZARD MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, OR DELETE ACCOUNTS AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON OR FOR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU. Accounts terminated by Blizzard for any type of abuse, including without limitation a violation of these Terms of Use, will not be reactivated for any reason. For purposes of explanation and not limitation, most account suspensions, terminations and/or deletions are the result of violations of this TOU, a Game EULA or other Blizzard policy.."
But 'fag' consitutes "sexual orientation" which is a load of shit if there was ever one. Americans are so worried about being sued that everything is being censored where in Australian Culture it is acceptable. We had a case where a Policeman took a man to court because the man called the cop a prick, the judge agreed that the cop was being a prick and it was thrown out. Another case where the cops took another guy to court cause he told them to 'fuck off' and again it was ruled perfectly acceptable to be used, since those two cases I have not heard of any others making it to court.
Here in the United States if a police officer is called a prick, that case never goes to trial because nothing illegal has happened. Simply calling someone a name isn't illegal... however that does not mean people have a free pass to go anywhere and say anything because there are other rights that must be taken into consideration.
Battle.net is private property. Blizzard or Activision owns it and they can choose to let people use it and exclude people from using it for any reason or even for no reason (as mentioned above). Here in the United States if someone walks into a restaurant and starts harassing the other guests the owner (or an agent of the owner) can kick the person out. If he refuses to leave the police can be called and they'll forcibly remove him and charge him for trespassing because he was violating another person's property rights.
Blizzard wants their online service to be a family friendly environment which is why they have a code of conduct. This enables people to report violators which (Blizzard believes) has the over all impact of improving the online community.
This kind of Blizzard censorship is wrong, because fully grown adults who are more than capable of being called a name and shrugging it off, are getting thrown in with 11 year old kids and being forced to live by their rules.
Trying to assert your opinion on someone else's personal/private property is wrong. No one has forced you to buy and play the game, you have chosen to. The rules aren't some big secret, they pop up before you login to Battle.net for the first time and are easily found if you spend a minute on the blizzard support site.
Granted this ban was only tied to my NA account and I could still use SEA, but seeing SEA is dead it was as effective as banning me from Starcraft for a single use of a word that no one in their right mind (ie, their head is not up their asses) should be offended by?
You said it was your second offense which means you were warned the first time you used the word.
This is over the top censorship that should be illegal.
No it shouldn't. Blizzard shells out a lot of money to keep Battle.net running and updated. They want it to be a place where all kinds of people can come together and play games without worrying about real life issues and differences. I don't blame them for their policies and I think their policies do make battle.net a more enjoyable place to play.
All that said though, I do agree with you in that a word, insult, or slur only has the power each individual person gives it. Life is too short to let petty words have power over your feelings and I'll never understand why so many people allow them to shape their lives and personalities. In the future I'd advise against insulting trolls with profanity. Most likely they are just baiting you ready to report you for the violation.
It's a mistake to assume that words are meaningless and people are too sensitive to them. Words have two forms of communication: denotative and connotative. You are assuming that everyone uses words in the same way that you do which is wrong. While the denotative (literal) definition of a word might support your claims that they are overreacting, the connotative (figurative/implied) meanings of a word are where most issues lie.
The attitude you project when saying these words are what offend people more than the language itself. Not surprisingly, certain words are commonly associated with a particular attitude. So while you might not find what you say offensive, there are people who take what you say to mean something very different given that the way they typically encounter such language IS offensive.
In Australia, the connotations for most of your words have been dampened for whatever reason. To you, the words "seem" okay, but that doesn't mean that everyone in Australia has the same mentality or that if everyone else in the world acted like Australia the same would happen. In fact, it's far more likely that every other possibility would happen BEFORE repeating Australia's current situation. This is because of the cultures unique to each region and the connotations that come with them.
A fairly common example is when you're in school learning a different language. Using hand gestures when giving a speech is often discouraged due to the fact that you might accidentally use a gesture that is offensive to native speakers of that language. This is shown in many situations where tourists travel to another country and come back with awkward stories of how they didn't realize they were being incredibly rude.
America probably has the biggest problem with this given that most countries consider us to be egotistical and spoiled. If we applied your logic, we'd conclude that it is actually every other country in the world that is at fault and Americans shouldn't care if we offend anyone. It seems unreasonable to suggest that everyone else in the world is to blame and not America, no?
Furthermore, it is lazy to forfeit all responsibility for your actions by blaming everyone around you for being offended. They don't choose what actions you take, so it is impossible to blame them for the decisions you make. It is also incredibly selfish to assume that the way you want to live is the only way a person should live. The form of censorship you are complaining about is used primarily as a way to preserve a neutral social environment such as to offend the least amount of people. This is VERY important in a situation where people can't control who they interact with. It allows people to feel comfortable in situations that they can't directly control. If customers can't rely on an environment they feel safe in, they will take their business elsewhere.
If someone is being blatantly offensive to you, one of three things have happened:
1) You control the environment (your home/business) and you can ask the individual to stop or leave.
2) Neither of you control the environment and you can ask them to stop or report them to the moderator (store manager, site admin, home owner etc).
3) They control the environment and you must tolerate the behavior or leave.
It is a widely accepted practice that you can choose how you want to live in those places you maintain control of. Likewise, it is also expected that those who own a public place maintain a neutral environment. Battle.net is one such place. You don't own it thus it is foolish to believe that you can act in whatever manner you wish and expect everyone to "deal with it or grow up."
You are showing that you don't respect anyone enough to support the environment they wish to create for themselves. That IS offensive and I fully support you or anyone being suspended/banned for it. If you spoke like this in my home I'd kick you out of it. Likewise I'd expect that if I attempted to dictate the way you speak in YOUR home you'd do the same.
What this issue boils down to is respect. Either you respect others enough to change the way you act so that they feel comfortable around you or you don't. Blaming others for a free pass to act as you please wherever you go is childish.
It is more so that I can not listen to the song I wish without having the censored version thrusted upon me, because A) other uploads have been removed due to infringement, and B) other 'official' uploads are not available due to my country of origin. Yeah, you think that not being able to find one or two songs is going to piss me off? When you have to live with so much stuff on youtube being unavailable simply because I visit from an Australian IP address, that is fucked up, and I do not care for one second about their distribution rights.
There is a difference between saying a single word once, or shit talking in game, compared to non-stop harrassment over the course of days/months. This is wrong, the level of logging on Battle.net 2 is wrong ...
I am no assuming the words are meaningless, within the context of a heated game words should be allowed to be used without reprocussion.
I did not complain to Blizz when I got banned, I did not cry or moan ... I accepted it cause I did say the word and he was being one. But the entire situation is completely wrong because as said before, a single use of a word inside a game itself where you would expect it to be, is nothing more than part of gaming itself.
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@Taintedwisp: Go
The problem is immature little kids like yourself who feel the need to say something just because people don't like it. You're like a baby who doesn't want something until it's taken away. If nobody got offended by the word faggot you wouldn't use it.
I bet you're huge on rage-quitting.
@deleted_7920358: Go
Come on you guys. In the ring!
I notice a few things, Everytime this account is used its only to insult me or troll someone else, Leaving me to believe this is a 2nd account to Maknyuzz, So sad no one gives a damn, and personally I dont give a fuck if anyone is offended, Because you know what, No one is better then anyone else, And im not going to watch what I say when people say cracker, GD, Redneck, or any of the variation, So pelase STFU, troll. PS: I have yet to rage quit a game, Ever, I always finish the fight...
Also I never had what was taken away in the first place... I just believe in EQUALITY, true equality....
@Taintedwisp: Go
Yeah, people TOTALLY get offended because they think that they're better than you.
NO! What, are you stupid? People get offended because they're insecure. So you're going to go out of your way to offend insecure people?
@deleted_7920358: Go This does seems a troll account.
Stupid who replies to him.
gosh why are u being so troll, sc2mapster is supposed to be a friendly community not one full of people like you
Sc2Mapster is home to rodrigo mephs and myself ... wtf gave u that idea?
correction
Sc2Mapster was home to rodrigo and mephs.
:(
Touche, next thing you know I'll be calling eternalwraith a pansie and bam, zoom, straight to the moon.
That will be the day sc2mapster dies.
You know, People weren't Insecure and committing suicide before the 1960s, its when people started careing that these rates GREATLY increased, This proves my point, But theres a difference in calling someone a fag, and treating someone like shit because their gay.
Also your not denying your maknyuzz...
@Taintedwisp: Go
Maybe because I have no idea what the hell you're talking about. -_-
Either way, my only point is, It doesnt matter what you say to someone, its how you act towards them.
I can call a black man a nigger all day(cept some of the dumber ones or more politically correct), but if I say it in a hateful way, thats when it becomes bad.
Fuck EA, this makes me wanna cry... like Origin wasn't bad enough with all it's privacy violations and spying.
Yeah, same here at Spain. Newly arrived South Americans of Africans get shitload of privileges while the locals have to pay every single cent, and then you see those same immigrants wearing gold chains in their way to getting their monthly state financial help.
PS: Yeah, this derailed like hell xDDD.
PS2: I miss Rodrigo, too :(.
Exactly the same here.
LOL its funny Mexicans get mad when you dont call them spanish, I told one, onetime I didnt want to insult people from spain lol
A person's willingness to listen to censored music has no bearing on whether that person is a child or adult. Vimeo also has little to do with nanny states. Do you know why Vimeo exists? Because they provide a service people want. Part of that service is exposing an artists music to as broad an audience as it can which requires certain precautions to be taken to facilitate this. If you don't like it, that is most likely because you are not part of the audience Vimeo is trying to appeal to and should find an alternative that allows you to listen to the music in its unedited form.
Your statement above is flawed for another reason as well. When the United States government censors a portion of its population that is often a violation of our first amendment rights. When a business censors its own product without a government mandate, that is actually the business exercising their own right to free speech. It is their product, they own (or control) it, and they can present it however they wish.
I assume you mean the Terms of Use, Battle.net does not have a ToS. Using profanity like that can get you banned because all harassment is against the Terms of Use. What will not get you banned is using profanity in the presence of someone who doesn't care, or doesn't know how to report it. Here are the relevant statement copied from the Terms of use:
"BLIZZARD MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, OR DELETE ACCOUNTS AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON OR FOR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU. Accounts terminated by Blizzard for any type of abuse, including without limitation a violation of these Terms of Use, will not be reactivated for any reason. For purposes of explanation and not limitation, most account suspensions, terminations and/or deletions are the result of violations of this TOU, a Game EULA or other Blizzard policy.."
and this one from the Starcraft 2 harassment policies:
Is crude and offensive in nature Is an inappropriate reference to human anatomy or bodily functions Is pornographic in nature
Here in the United States if a police officer is called a prick, that case never goes to trial because nothing illegal has happened. Simply calling someone a name isn't illegal... however that does not mean people have a free pass to go anywhere and say anything because there are other rights that must be taken into consideration.
Battle.net is private property. Blizzard or Activision owns it and they can choose to let people use it and exclude people from using it for any reason or even for no reason (as mentioned above). Here in the United States if someone walks into a restaurant and starts harassing the other guests the owner (or an agent of the owner) can kick the person out. If he refuses to leave the police can be called and they'll forcibly remove him and charge him for trespassing because he was violating another person's property rights.
Blizzard wants their online service to be a family friendly environment which is why they have a code of conduct. This enables people to report violators which (Blizzard believes) has the over all impact of improving the online community.
Trying to assert your opinion on someone else's personal/private property is wrong. No one has forced you to buy and play the game, you have chosen to. The rules aren't some big secret, they pop up before you login to Battle.net for the first time and are easily found if you spend a minute on the blizzard support site.
You said it was your second offense which means you were warned the first time you used the word.
No it shouldn't. Blizzard shells out a lot of money to keep Battle.net running and updated. They want it to be a place where all kinds of people can come together and play games without worrying about real life issues and differences. I don't blame them for their policies and I think their policies do make battle.net a more enjoyable place to play.
All that said though, I do agree with you in that a word, insult, or slur only has the power each individual person gives it. Life is too short to let petty words have power over your feelings and I'll never understand why so many people allow them to shape their lives and personalities. In the future I'd advise against insulting trolls with profanity. Most likely they are just baiting you ready to report you for the violation.
It's a mistake to assume that words are meaningless and people are too sensitive to them. Words have two forms of communication: denotative and connotative. You are assuming that everyone uses words in the same way that you do which is wrong. While the denotative (literal) definition of a word might support your claims that they are overreacting, the connotative (figurative/implied) meanings of a word are where most issues lie.
The attitude you project when saying these words are what offend people more than the language itself. Not surprisingly, certain words are commonly associated with a particular attitude. So while you might not find what you say offensive, there are people who take what you say to mean something very different given that the way they typically encounter such language IS offensive.
In Australia, the connotations for most of your words have been dampened for whatever reason. To you, the words "seem" okay, but that doesn't mean that everyone in Australia has the same mentality or that if everyone else in the world acted like Australia the same would happen. In fact, it's far more likely that every other possibility would happen BEFORE repeating Australia's current situation. This is because of the cultures unique to each region and the connotations that come with them.
A fairly common example is when you're in school learning a different language. Using hand gestures when giving a speech is often discouraged due to the fact that you might accidentally use a gesture that is offensive to native speakers of that language. This is shown in many situations where tourists travel to another country and come back with awkward stories of how they didn't realize they were being incredibly rude.
America probably has the biggest problem with this given that most countries consider us to be egotistical and spoiled. If we applied your logic, we'd conclude that it is actually every other country in the world that is at fault and Americans shouldn't care if we offend anyone. It seems unreasonable to suggest that everyone else in the world is to blame and not America, no?
Furthermore, it is lazy to forfeit all responsibility for your actions by blaming everyone around you for being offended. They don't choose what actions you take, so it is impossible to blame them for the decisions you make. It is also incredibly selfish to assume that the way you want to live is the only way a person should live. The form of censorship you are complaining about is used primarily as a way to preserve a neutral social environment such as to offend the least amount of people. This is VERY important in a situation where people can't control who they interact with. It allows people to feel comfortable in situations that they can't directly control. If customers can't rely on an environment they feel safe in, they will take their business elsewhere.
If someone is being blatantly offensive to you, one of three things have happened:
1) You control the environment (your home/business) and you can ask the individual to stop or leave.
2) Neither of you control the environment and you can ask them to stop or report them to the moderator (store manager, site admin, home owner etc).
3) They control the environment and you must tolerate the behavior or leave.
It is a widely accepted practice that you can choose how you want to live in those places you maintain control of. Likewise, it is also expected that those who own a public place maintain a neutral environment. Battle.net is one such place. You don't own it thus it is foolish to believe that you can act in whatever manner you wish and expect everyone to "deal with it or grow up."
You are showing that you don't respect anyone enough to support the environment they wish to create for themselves. That IS offensive and I fully support you or anyone being suspended/banned for it. If you spoke like this in my home I'd kick you out of it. Likewise I'd expect that if I attempted to dictate the way you speak in YOUR home you'd do the same.
What this issue boils down to is respect. Either you respect others enough to change the way you act so that they feel comfortable around you or you don't. Blaming others for a free pass to act as you please wherever you go is childish.
Man I love this thread.
@sabbatine: Go
It is more so that I can not listen to the song I wish without having the censored version thrusted upon me, because A) other uploads have been removed due to infringement, and B) other 'official' uploads are not available due to my country of origin. Yeah, you think that not being able to find one or two songs is going to piss me off? When you have to live with so much stuff on youtube being unavailable simply because I visit from an Australian IP address, that is fucked up, and I do not care for one second about their distribution rights.
There is a difference between saying a single word once, or shit talking in game, compared to non-stop harrassment over the course of days/months. This is wrong, the level of logging on Battle.net 2 is wrong ...
@ProzaicMuze: Go
I am no assuming the words are meaningless, within the context of a heated game words should be allowed to be used without reprocussion.
I did not complain to Blizz when I got banned, I did not cry or moan ... I accepted it cause I did say the word and he was being one. But the entire situation is completely wrong because as said before, a single use of a word inside a game itself where you would expect it to be, is nothing more than part of gaming itself.