After 5 years + on mapster I still don't get it.
We generate traffic and are not "rewarded"!?
I mean :
.. there comes a point where/when I feel that directing people to come here seems counter productive :(
ps: thank you mods, love you, you have my vote for "hulk" style lobbying to get our site back to its
"un-ad spammed" glory.
Just pm me if you want/require ideas on how to "move" curse host
I have been curious since I switched from WC3 to SC2, as to why the community did not stick with the hive. Their sc2 community is pretty non-existent. Their entire setup is a million times better than what curse has setup here; and the 1000+ users logged in at peak hours, compared to our... 20?
This is mostly to the dates in the front page since 2012 it hasent been change keep sending people here but when they look at those dates they think this site is dead or shut down. Im always mentioning this again and again and again.
CHANGE THOSE FRACKING OLD AS SHT NECRO TREADS!!!!!!!!!!!
i don't think it is possible to move the site with all its content (legal issues?) and a new site without all the knowledge gathered here is useless. furthermore doing all this for 20 ppl (and no indication that sc2 modding will grow in the future) seems like a overkill. just live with it.
Alright guys, you have a cleaner sc2mapster now. Just deleted over 30 of them. No lies. Didn't go further than page 2, though. Not that I had to anyway, I had enough spam on page 1 :P
It's one thing to talk about moving somewhere else, but someone would have to do the work of migrating stuff (tutorials especially). Personally I'm not interested in that work. So unless one of you is, talking about moving accomplishes nothing.
See what I am talking about. Moza was on 1 hour and 35 minutes ago. I'm SURE he deleted all of them and I come back to this post and this:
I have to admit, I didn't delete anything at that point. I just couldn't be arsed - I'm in the middle of two big projects for my master's degree. Deleting spam doesn't take a lot of time, but I'll easily lose 5-10 minutes I could spend putting needles in my eyeballs instead.
i vote that we move to the hive and start over. i might start asking custom campaigners to host their stuff over there as well as here...maybe a new CCI page at The Hive and then the wiki...some of it is so out of date anyways and then someone can leave a note and turn out the lights
i feel moving away would be risky and potentially disastrous if curse then takes down this website with all the copywrighted knowledge, it could be lost forever.
also ive never really been a huge fan of hive's setup
You should read that team liquid post on ownership of maps. I think it would apply to ownership of tutorials as well. It was basically saying that a ToS is not a contract. And I don't know why you think curse would come after people for copying/moving tutorials. Regardless my point still stands that someone would actually have to move the tutorials and such.
I am pretty sure that you cannot own the copyright to information. If curse were to try to claim "ownership" of a tutorial, couldn't blizzard then sue them, for claiming ownership over something that is their intellectual creation? We all know blizzard loves to shut down people who infringe on their shit.
I dont think there would really be a problem with keeping the tutorials and stuff on this site until enough are moved to the hive either. It would be silly to "shut off" this site, and curse wouldn't do it. You can simply move the community to the hive, and on there, reference back to tutorials and the wiki on this site if needed. On this site, you can reference to the hive for all "active community" stuff.
I see no reason that both websites cannot exist; just the the bulk of the community move to a site which supports modding much more than curse does.
Many years ago, with Custom Hero Arena (my wc3 game) we had to move websites. For a while, people still posted on the old site; and were usually just referenced to the new site for updated information or quicker feedback. After a year or so, the old site was completely abandoned (though it still exists to this day)..
Copyright's a bitch anyway when it comes to online content. US copyright rules are different from Vietnamese copyright rules, which are different from German copyright rules. If I'm a South-African national posting content in English about a US-published game from Belgium... nobody's ever going to bother even looking in to claiming any form of copyright.
As much as I enjoy the idea of moving, I think it's a moot point. I don't think we could get enough people to help move , look how far the wiki got. If some how we managed to garner the numbers to consider moving I would gladly put off directly working on my map and put that effort into help move.
Truthfully I don't even think it would be THAT hard to move. I think if we took it section by section and moved everything relevant and the recent assets (not non-tutorial based maps it'd be to much) it would only take a couple of months with a handful of dedicated people.
After 5 years + on mapster I still don't get it. We generate traffic and are not "rewarded"!?
I mean :
.. there comes a point where/when I feel that directing people to come here seems counter productive :(
ps: thank you mods, love you, you have my vote for "hulk" style lobbying to get our site back to its "un-ad spammed" glory. Just pm me if you want/require ideas on how to "move" curse host
The funny thing is, some of them have actually interesting topics where I feel the need to discuss^^
I also feel like we should all just move on and build a new website. Or help Hiveworkshop with an sc2 section.
I think moving on will be a great idea a fan base made website that really cares. :-)
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I've been super busy for the past 2 weeks and haven't removed any spam in 2 days. Looks like this is what happens when that happens =|
I doubt I'm the only one though - there's some other mods that also usually do work, they must also not have been around.
I have been curious since I switched from WC3 to SC2, as to why the community did not stick with the hive. Their sc2 community is pretty non-existent. Their entire setup is a million times better than what curse has setup here; and the 1000+ users logged in at peak hours, compared to our... 20?
Do it, do it!
Skype: [email protected] Current Project: Custom Hero Arena! US: battlenet:://starcraft/map/1/263274 EU: battlenet:://starcraft/map/2/186418
This is mostly to the dates in the front page since 2012 it hasent been change keep sending people here but when they look at those dates they think this site is dead or shut down. Im always mentioning this again and again and again.
CHANGE THOSE FRACKING OLD AS SHT NECRO TREADS!!!!!!!!!!!
Marie T. Freeman If you're too busy to give your neighbor a helping hand, then you're just too darned busy. https://www.facebook.com/wargirlmaps.maps
Spread the love join DISCORD
https://discord.gg/Jtzt8Su
i don't think it is possible to move the site with all its content (legal issues?) and a new site without all the knowledge gathered here is useless. furthermore doing all this for 20 ppl (and no indication that sc2 modding will grow in the future) seems like a overkill. just live with it.
I thought it was just you and me and I completely gave up like a month ago or so...
Maybe we have to go back to our "interesting" delete reasons, moza, they didn't do anything but at least they were fun and annoyed them :P
Also this.
Once I read a weight loss one that had legit advices :P
See what I am talking about. Moza was on 1 hour and 35 minutes ago. I'm SURE he deleted all of them and I come back to this post and this:
So i am one of the last daily visitors of SC2 Mapster ... So intense ...
Alright guys, you have a cleaner sc2mapster now. Just deleted over 30 of them. No lies. Didn't go further than page 2, though. Not that I had to anyway, I had enough spam on page 1 :P
It's one thing to talk about moving somewhere else, but someone would have to do the work of migrating stuff (tutorials especially). Personally I'm not interested in that work. So unless one of you is, talking about moving accomplishes nothing.
Yeah, moving would be hard. Not to mention, we wouldn't be able to move the tutorials, Curse owns them (see TOU and Copyright assignment).
I have to admit, I didn't delete anything at that point. I just couldn't be arsed - I'm in the middle of two big projects for my master's degree. Deleting spam doesn't take a lot of time, but I'll easily lose 5-10 minutes I could spend putting needles in my eyeballs instead.
i vote that we move to the hive and start over. i might start asking custom campaigners to host their stuff over there as well as here...maybe a new CCI page at The Hive and then the wiki...some of it is so out of date anyways and then someone can leave a note and turn out the lights
i feel moving away would be risky and potentially disastrous if curse then takes down this website with all the copywrighted knowledge, it could be lost forever.
also ive never really been a huge fan of hive's setup
You should read that team liquid post on ownership of maps. I think it would apply to ownership of tutorials as well. It was basically saying that a ToS is not a contract. And I don't know why you think curse would come after people for copying/moving tutorials. Regardless my point still stands that someone would actually have to move the tutorials and such.
I am pretty sure that you cannot own the copyright to information. If curse were to try to claim "ownership" of a tutorial, couldn't blizzard then sue them, for claiming ownership over something that is their intellectual creation? We all know blizzard loves to shut down people who infringe on their shit.
I dont think there would really be a problem with keeping the tutorials and stuff on this site until enough are moved to the hive either. It would be silly to "shut off" this site, and curse wouldn't do it. You can simply move the community to the hive, and on there, reference back to tutorials and the wiki on this site if needed. On this site, you can reference to the hive for all "active community" stuff.
I see no reason that both websites cannot exist; just the the bulk of the community move to a site which supports modding much more than curse does.
Many years ago, with Custom Hero Arena (my wc3 game) we had to move websites. For a while, people still posted on the old site; and were usually just referenced to the new site for updated information or quicker feedback. After a year or so, the old site was completely abandoned (though it still exists to this day)..
Skype: [email protected] Current Project: Custom Hero Arena! US: battlenet:://starcraft/map/1/263274 EU: battlenet:://starcraft/map/2/186418
Copyright's a bitch anyway when it comes to online content. US copyright rules are different from Vietnamese copyright rules, which are different from German copyright rules. If I'm a South-African national posting content in English about a US-published game from Belgium... nobody's ever going to bother even looking in to claiming any form of copyright.
As much as I enjoy the idea of moving, I think it's a moot point. I don't think we could get enough people to help move , look how far the wiki got. If some how we managed to garner the numbers to consider moving I would gladly put off directly working on my map and put that effort into help move.
Truthfully I don't even think it would be THAT hard to move. I think if we took it section by section and moved everything relevant and the recent assets (not non-tutorial based maps it'd be to much) it would only take a couple of months with a handful of dedicated people.