I don't see how this is a good way of revolting against the popularity system, it's not like Blizzard will be in the games you join reading what you say.
A revolt against the popularity system would be making map(s) called "Fix the popularity system" and stuff like that with nothing in them, rallying people together and upping their popularity, filling the first page with maps titled that they should fix it, that would send a message that the system is easily exploitable and they would notice it.
(I'm not going to do it myself tho, just laying it out there because it's a more logical way than joining Nexus Wars and increasing it's popularity ironically)
But on a sidenote, I'm still hoping for them to fix it, I don't expect SC2 to be "done" until Legacy of the Void is out anyway, I have patcience and I can adapt, I'm not saying that it's ideal that everyone should just go "Oh hey! Blizzard did this crappy thing, let's just go with it", but I'm okay with it. ...for now.
People have complained about popularity since SC2 started, either they've gotten the message already or they havn't. Either they care about it, or they don't.
if you really want to be anoying, which you want to be as far as I can tell. then just join nexus wars, 1 sec before the game starts logout and and login and repeat. 3-7 players will just be fucked and it is a legal way of making people hate the popularity system, well or atleast the maps in the top. Try getting 400 people to do it one evening, that could be pretty funny
if you really want to be anoying, which you want to be as far as I can
tell. then just join nexus wars, 1 sec before the game starts logout and
and login and repeat. 3-7 players will just be fucked and it is a legal
way of making people hate the popularity system, well or atleast the
maps in the top. Try getting 400 people to do it one evening, that could
be pretty funny
Honestly if I could meet people in RL that do this shit, Id prolly slit your throats.
You think ruining other peoples time, justifies your being a whiney bitch?
You guys seriously need to pay more attention to the Blizzard Dev team interviews. They have said that they will be making changes, and some changes have already been implements. Truth is most peoples maps wont see the light of day anyways, because there are just so many. What do you kids seriously want.
If you dont like the pop system and feel you must cry about it every chance you get.... Then I think you need give up on SC2 and go find a better moding community...... Good Luck with that.
I think you're missing the point as well. If we do nothing, then Blizz will do very little to change the popularity system. They've said there adding chat rooms, but again this only was only due to a massive outcry and even then they were strongly resisting adding them.
Popularity system what have they said about it? If we do this, it may some what come across as whiny and even a bit childish but so be it, it shows a clear flaw in the system, i.e. crappy maps getting to the top and players having virtually zero options.
I think you're missing the point as well. If we do nothing, then Blizz
will do very little to change the popularity system. They've said there
adding chat rooms, but again this only was only due to a massive outcry
and even then they were strongly resisting adding them.
Popularity system what have they said about it? If we do this, it may
some what come across as whiny and even a bit childish but so be it, it
shows a clear flaw in the system, i.e. crappy maps getting to the top
and players having virtually zero options.
.... Umm blizzard is working on the problem... its just your impatient.
They will add more search features.... you will not see wc3 type join lists it wont happen.. You gotta think about it from their point of view and watch the dev team interviews .... they have 50,000 map entries on the North America servers..... how the hell would you parse out what to show at the top of the list or not?
And quit complaining on SC2mapster..... its basically the same as doing nothing... but you annoy the hell out of your fellow map makers. Go cry on bnet forums.... or go make you tube videos ridiculing it.... dont do it here.... and dont promote people leaving games to piss other players off.
From my point of the the pop system works well enough.... Its hard to get my maps played but oh well... its all part of the game. =)
Im sorry but people crying does not point out a "clear" flaw in the system. It points out that b.net kiddies are whiney little bastards.
You say crappy maps get to the top? Id argue that one with you .... show me a map that I'll enjoy more then Nexus Wars. And Ill tell you why the map isnt anywhere near the top.
I for one enjoy nexus wars, and obviously alot of other people do as well.
If I want a hero game .... I go to play LOL as most old dota players are more then likey do these days as well.
Ive tried quite a few maps on bnet currently .... and most them suck in general.... Nexus wars is way more polished then most the maps up there.
I agree we shouldn't be moaning on sc2mapster. However it is a big problem. WC3 gave every map a chance because no matter how bad your map was it made it to the top, and if someone try's and they don't like it they never play it again. There is no reason that they cant combine the 2 games together, they just don't want people naming there own servers like on war 3. They should give us an option for popularity list and war 3 list. But either way you have to host your map on bnet the same way.
They could do it like war 3 but have servers be automatically named; RailTracers Nexus Wars, or SouLCarveRR's Nexus Wars. Not that any of us play that crappy map but its just an example. That way if a map sucks balls everyone will try and it realize it. If a map is new people will want to try it if its on the top of the list for a second. The whole stationary lists makes it seem like there is no maps when like u said there is 50k maps on NA. 50 thousand and only 30 of them even get played. How is that fair at all when there is probably 500 really nicely made maps that get no play time at all. The system is broken and categories is not going to fix it. It will help but it will not fix it in any way. And on that page neither will a search option.
And Nexus Wars IS a piece of shit map. The only reason it is played so fucking much is becasue its the only map that has actual people who join it. And they join it because it at the top of the list. Its a vicious loop, that self perpetuates because the system is fucked.
The only reason it is polished is because its so fucking simple. A building that spawns units. Wow. The most powerful editor ever released and this is the bullshit we get stuck having to play.
Fuck Nexus Wars and all the other Tug games shoved down our throats.
I cancelled Wow long ago, and I have no interest in Diablo 3. SC2 is the last bit of money bobby kotick will ever receive from me. And I think you are a fool to think the system has been improved, its downgraded, its like they tried to make a console game. They are treating us like we all own those waste of money consoles. And screw black ops I am waiting for Battlefield 3.
I have news for you this is the PC we don't like consoles. They suck, its why we bought SC2 because blizzard is suppose to be PC developers however it seems like they've been catching bobby kotick's hate for computer games. Ever since WoW blizzard has been going down and down. SC2 is a great game(the core game not custom maps), but they screwed map makers so much with there list that no one even wants to make a custom game.
I ask SouLCarveRR how is this system an upgrade over Warcraft 3? Besides no porn which is still possible because you could still require to upload maps so blizzard could still ban certain ones. All they needed to do was add the upload to blizzards database. They didnt need to make a popularity list. They could have made both and the popularity list today would be 100x different. Nexus wars would definitely not be the top map.
You probably enjoy maps like nexus wars SouLCarveRR well good for you, i bet your in copper league lol.
So you insult me because I dont agree with you. Good job.
Sorry I dont play mellee star craft. Only customs. Mellee is too time consuming to actually get good at. Why would you lol at me for that. I play games like dota son. True games of skill.
And you should maybe learn to read. I was refering to the fact that they have already made changes to the popularity list, such as better search feature, and the type stuff they added recently. They will be adding more in the future. But the blizz devs have already said the the pop system is basically here to stay and that they will be adding more features to it over time to enhance it.
How about you take your head out of your ass. And maybe use it for something more intelligent then being a whiney little bitch.
Thank you have a nice day. And Im in Gold league son.
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Also i could still beat you at dota son. Though you probably would kick my ass at Nexus Wars hahahahahahahahahhahahahaahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahah...
lol i knew it, you do like nexus wars. ahahahahahhhahahahah
Nexus Wars Dev:
HEY GUYS i came up with this crazy map idea, you just place buildings and units will automatically come out of them. It would be too much work to make custom races lets just use SC2 units. YES WE DID IT GUYS NUMBER 1!!!! And to believe it only took me 1 afternoon to make this piece of crap.
Who said games had to be complicated to enjoy them meh. For the level of complexity to the SC2 development side of custom maps, I really dont expect to see anything complicated, that I would want to spend over 30 minutes a day playing, in say a year or two.
Nexus wars gets old after just one game of it, but I do play one once or twice a week to kill some time. And I enjoy it.
I mean lets get a list of the top 10 maps going here ... lets say if you could pick 10 best maps to play on your server what would they be? I mean like no point argueing itd would just be nice to see what everybody's favorite maps are. Maybe help build some intrest in them?
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These people must be new to Blizzard, because this is not the case. Only through continual complaints do they do anything. I don't really support this idea though, because the likelihood of blizzard noticing is 0%.
RailTracer, I'm gonna be polite and go with a simple "STFU". Discussion's all good but ad hominems aren't valid arguments and they don't really improve the mood either. You've got beef with Soul, go fight it out somewhere else, not here.
SouL, you're hardly inappropriate in your responses but please; just ignore him.
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I don't see how this is a good way of revolting against the popularity system, it's not like Blizzard will be in the games you join reading what you say.
A revolt against the popularity system would be making map(s) called "Fix the popularity system" and stuff like that with nothing in them, rallying people together and upping their popularity, filling the first page with maps titled that they should fix it, that would send a message that the system is easily exploitable and they would notice it.
(I'm not going to do it myself tho, just laying it out there because it's a more logical way than joining Nexus Wars and increasing it's popularity ironically)
But on a sidenote, I'm still hoping for them to fix it, I don't expect SC2 to be "done" until Legacy of the Void is out anyway, I have patcience and I can adapt, I'm not saying that it's ideal that everyone should just go "Oh hey! Blizzard did this crappy thing, let's just go with it", but I'm okay with it. ...for now.
People have complained about popularity since SC2 started, either they've gotten the message already or they havn't. Either they care about it, or they don't.
I agree best way would be to make a map simply called 'Remove/Fix the popularity System'
Then get everyone on this forum to join it. Hell I'll bump it up 50 games a day, it go it the top.
If we all got it rank #1, I'm sure Blizzard would notice this, if we got 10 maps up there, come on they'd do something. Hopefully positive that is :p
i guess i like that idea, it would be better if we could get the whole front page filled with maps named that lol
if you really want to be anoying, which you want to be as far as I can tell. then just join nexus wars, 1 sec before the game starts logout and and login and repeat. 3-7 players will just be fucked and it is a legal way of making people hate the popularity system, well or atleast the maps in the top. Try getting 400 people to do it one evening, that could be pretty funny
@Victiln: Go
being 'annoying' is not the mission here
Honestly if I could meet people in RL that do this shit, Id prolly slit your throats.
You think ruining other peoples time, justifies your being a whiney bitch?
You guys seriously need to pay more attention to the Blizzard Dev team interviews. They have said that they will be making changes, and some changes have already been implements. Truth is most peoples maps wont see the light of day anyways, because there are just so many. What do you kids seriously want.
If you dont like the pop system and feel you must cry about it every chance you get.... Then I think you need give up on SC2 and go find a better moding community...... Good Luck with that.
Give SC2 time you nubs.
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I think you're missing the point as well. If we do nothing, then Blizz will do very little to change the popularity system. They've said there adding chat rooms, but again this only was only due to a massive outcry and even then they were strongly resisting adding them.
Popularity system what have they said about it? If we do this, it may some what come across as whiny and even a bit childish but so be it, it shows a clear flaw in the system, i.e. crappy maps getting to the top and players having virtually zero options.
.... Umm blizzard is working on the problem... its just your impatient.
They will add more search features.... you will not see wc3 type join lists it wont happen.. You gotta think about it from their point of view and watch the dev team interviews .... they have 50,000 map entries on the North America servers..... how the hell would you parse out what to show at the top of the list or not?
And quit complaining on SC2mapster..... its basically the same as doing nothing... but you annoy the hell out of your fellow map makers. Go cry on bnet forums.... or go make you tube videos ridiculing it.... dont do it here.... and dont promote people leaving games to piss other players off.
From my point of the the pop system works well enough.... Its hard to get my maps played but oh well... its all part of the game. =)
Im sorry but people crying does not point out a "clear" flaw in the system. It points out that b.net kiddies are whiney little bastards.
You say crappy maps get to the top? Id argue that one with you .... show me a map that I'll enjoy more then Nexus Wars. And Ill tell you why the map isnt anywhere near the top.
I for one enjoy nexus wars, and obviously alot of other people do as well.
If I want a hero game .... I go to play LOL as most old dota players are more then likey do these days as well.
Ive tried quite a few maps on bnet currently .... and most them suck in general.... Nexus wars is way more polished then most the maps up there.
I play on NA
I was expecting "I'm on a horse" :(
I agree we shouldn't be moaning on sc2mapster. However it is a big problem. WC3 gave every map a chance because no matter how bad your map was it made it to the top, and if someone try's and they don't like it they never play it again. There is no reason that they cant combine the 2 games together, they just don't want people naming there own servers like on war 3. They should give us an option for popularity list and war 3 list. But either way you have to host your map on bnet the same way.
They could do it like war 3 but have servers be automatically named; RailTracers Nexus Wars, or SouLCarveRR's Nexus Wars. Not that any of us play that crappy map but its just an example. That way if a map sucks balls everyone will try and it realize it. If a map is new people will want to try it if its on the top of the list for a second. The whole stationary lists makes it seem like there is no maps when like u said there is 50k maps on NA. 50 thousand and only 30 of them even get played. How is that fair at all when there is probably 500 really nicely made maps that get no play time at all. The system is broken and categories is not going to fix it. It will help but it will not fix it in any way. And on that page neither will a search option.
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i agree Tracer..
And Nexus Wars IS a piece of shit map. The only reason it is played so fucking much is becasue its the only map that has actual people who join it. And they join it because it at the top of the list. Its a vicious loop, that self perpetuates because the system is fucked.
The only reason it is polished is because its so fucking simple. A building that spawns units. Wow. The most powerful editor ever released and this is the bullshit we get stuck having to play.
Fuck Nexus Wars and all the other Tug games shoved down our throats.
I'd rather Tug my johnson.
@RailTracer: Go
Well son your not gonna get your, WC3 game list.......
The system has been improved and will be improved further over the next 10 years.......
In protest, of the join screen I think all you guys should quit SC2 and not buy D3 oh and cancle your wow accounts.
Oh and dont play that Modern warefare black ops game either ... thats blizzards too
@SouLCarveRR: Go
I cancelled Wow long ago, and I have no interest in Diablo 3. SC2 is the last bit of money bobby kotick will ever receive from me. And I think you are a fool to think the system has been improved, its downgraded, its like they tried to make a console game. They are treating us like we all own those waste of money consoles. And screw black ops I am waiting for Battlefield 3.
I have news for you this is the PC we don't like consoles. They suck, its why we bought SC2 because blizzard is suppose to be PC developers however it seems like they've been catching bobby kotick's hate for computer games. Ever since WoW blizzard has been going down and down. SC2 is a great game(the core game not custom maps), but they screwed map makers so much with there list that no one even wants to make a custom game.
I ask SouLCarveRR how is this system an upgrade over Warcraft 3? Besides no porn which is still possible because you could still require to upload maps so blizzard could still ban certain ones. All they needed to do was add the upload to blizzards database. They didnt need to make a popularity list. They could have made both and the popularity list today would be 100x different. Nexus wars would definitely not be the top map.
You probably enjoy maps like nexus wars SouLCarveRR well good for you, i bet your in copper league lol.
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So you insult me because I dont agree with you. Good job.
Sorry I dont play mellee star craft. Only customs. Mellee is too time consuming to actually get good at. Why would you lol at me for that. I play games like dota son. True games of skill.
And you should maybe learn to read. I was refering to the fact that they have already made changes to the popularity list, such as better search feature, and the type stuff they added recently. They will be adding more in the future. But the blizz devs have already said the the pop system is basically here to stay and that they will be adding more features to it over time to enhance it.
How about you take your head out of your ass. And maybe use it for something more intelligent then being a whiney little bitch.
Thank you have a nice day. And Im in Gold league son.
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Gold basically means you are better then 50% of the population good job. Diamond league son. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1002712/1/Railtracer/
Also i could still beat you at dota son. Though you probably would kick my ass at Nexus Wars hahahahahahahahahhahahahaahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahah...
@RailTracer: Go
Nobody beats me at dota.
Nexus wars is just a good way to kill time... meh as thats what most custom games are intended for.
@SouLCarveRR: Go
lol i knew it, you do like nexus wars. ahahahahahhhahahahah
Nexus Wars Dev: HEY GUYS i came up with this crazy map idea, you just place buildings and units will automatically come out of them. It would be too much work to make custom races lets just use SC2 units. YES WE DID IT GUYS NUMBER 1!!!! And to believe it only took me 1 afternoon to make this piece of crap.
Who said games had to be complicated to enjoy them meh. For the level of complexity to the SC2 development side of custom maps, I really dont expect to see anything complicated, that I would want to spend over 30 minutes a day playing, in say a year or two.
Nexus wars gets old after just one game of it, but I do play one once or twice a week to kill some time. And I enjoy it.
I mean lets get a list of the top 10 maps going here ... lets say if you could pick 10 best maps to play on your server what would they be? I mean like no point argueing itd would just be nice to see what everybody's favorite maps are. Maybe help build some intrest in them?
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Their carrerers department sure sucks doesn't it?
RailTracer, I'm gonna be polite and go with a simple "STFU". Discussion's all good but ad hominems aren't valid arguments and they don't really improve the mood either. You've got beef with Soul, go fight it out somewhere else, not here.
SouL, you're hardly inappropriate in your responses but please; just ignore him.