Do you have hundreds upon hundreds of dollars to get the highest end PC on the market to hand over to me?
No?
Don't want to be rude, but if it comes off that way? so be it.
please don't suggest that, I really despise when people tell me this as if it's feasible or even remotely helpful as if :
1. I didn't already think of an obvious thing like that
2. Have such a disposable income where I can just waltz over to the store and buy a high end PC without issue
I just fucking bought this PC like a month ago (expensive as fuck and won't be buying another for years), and it still can't handle this fucking editor?
Nah.
"set your editor to lower editor display settings?"
If you mean "graphics" I've already tried setting it to the lowest settings.
She's in Azerbaijan mate I doubt she has a single dollar to hand over lol.
Anyway this thread took a funny turn.
Not sure what's "funny" about it, but if she's an azerbaijani than you'd think she know more than me how hard it is to afford new tech just for a stupid poorly made editor by a garbage company. :/
"Are you just running the editor? Maybe other applications are affecting the performance."
Yes, I experimented with a lot of things, graphic settings, only having the editor up, turning it off an on again, making sure only one map is loaded and no other editor windows etc.
Doubt it's my computer since this editor sucks on every other computer I used it on over the last 6 years.
The issue is that you're not giving anybody any information. You literally asked "is there an easier way to place water?". There's no details, nothing about your PC specs, graphic settings, indications this may be a bug, nothing. With such an OP you can expect to get a "upgrade your PC/downgrade your graphic settings" in response, honestly.
If you bought a new PC a month ago and you're running the editor by itself with the lowest setting graphics, then you can pretty much rule performance out as an issue; it means there's something else going on. What does your map look like? How large is it, and how much stuff is there in it? What about the settings for this particular type of water? Are you using pre-made water or did you data-edit something up yourself? If so, there may be a bug there. How far zoomed out are you? This may make a difference as well (too far will sometimes cause weird placement issues).
I have no reason to give you my PC specs, it has nothing to do with what I asked.
I don't want advice for my PC, I wanted an answer to an extremely simple question: "is there an easier way to place water? (faster too)"
The speed at which you're placing water, especially if it takes six seconds for it to pop up, has everything to do with your PC specs. If you had a NASA level PC, you'd very likely have no delays in placing water whatsoever, even if the current issue is clearly caused by something else.
Don't get me wrong: I don't give a flying crap about your PC specs. But you came here asking for help without giving anyone any details about your issue, and then tell everyone you "really despise it when people tell you this as if it's feasible or even remotely helpful". Because the truth is: it might have been. Folks here have no idea who you are: you could be a 15-year old bloke with no PC know-how who is trying to run the editor on his brothers' 12-year old PC on highest specs.
But to keep it simple, really: you have come here for help. You ask a very widely interpretable question without giving any details about your situation and then insinuate the people who try to give you a possibly helpful answer are stupid for doing so. Nobody's expecting you to lick any boots, but that attitude isn't going to get you very far. You might have noticed people have stopped replying altogether - I would hazard a guess that this is because folks don't particularly feel like trying to be helpful to you if you have no interest in working with them.
As for closing the thread: you made your bed, you lie in it.
I guess what people tried (& failed) to say is that they don't have a similar issue. Me, (with this mediocre laptop that can't even run Heroes once the minions spawn) I opened a blank 256x256 flat map and started placing water at various zoom levels, and had no glaring issues.
I doubt there is another way to create water than w/ the water tool in the terrain editor.
Don't sweat the sort of technophile who would look down on someone for lack of computer science know-how. (Anyway, isn't that one of the unique advantages/points to using these sorts of editors (in lieu of software engineering)?) Still I expect better from a SC2Mapster mod. Or maybe not so much from Mozared who can be rude sometimes /fart
". But you came here asking for help without giving anyone any details about your issue, and then tell everyone you "really despise it when people tell you this as if it's feasible or even remotely helpful". Because the truth is: it might have been. Folks here have no idea who you are: you could be a 15-year old bloke with no PC know-how who is trying to run the editor on his brothers' 12-year old PC on highest specs."
K.
That has nothing to do with what I asked.
assumptions shouldn't be greenlit. if my stuff was unclear, than ask, don't tell me to buy another PC.
"is there an easier way to place water? " was the question, no where in there was "Hey guys I need PC advice" asked.
"You ask a very widely interpretable question "
Not really?
it's quite straightforward.
" insinuate the people who try to give you a possibly helpful answer are stupid for doing so"
How in the world is "buy a new PC" remotely useful?
it isn't.
it's worthless at best, annoying as all hell at worst.
" but that attitude isn't going to get you very far."
I don't really care frankly, I rarely get help anyway (with most things not just here, especially garbage steam and blizzard services) I don't expect it, and I'm not going to change myself so that people's feelings aren't hurt when they say pointless things like "buy a new PC :D"
half of my topics never get replies as it is, so what real difference would it make?
"You might have noticed people have stopped replying altogether"
Nope, because this happens to 90% of my topics anyway, it's something I expect.
" I would hazard a guess that this is because folks don't particularly feel like trying to be helpful to you if you have no interest in working with them."
What? by buying a new PC? what are you even talking about? I asked a specific question and got a snarky comment that does not help my situation in the least, how the hell is that on me?
"As for closing the thread: you made your bed, you lie in it."
What does that even mean in this context? what is the implication here? my point here is that nobody is actually answering my question and is either:
1. being snarky and pointless
2. Arguing with me over semantics
3. Pretending they have some profound revelation of my character as if I don't already know who I am and how I act
4. Some combination of the 4
"I doubt there is another way to create water than w/ the water tool in the terrain editor."
Thank you.
THIS is the kind of answer I was looking for, if there isn't an easier way, just say "no"
no need for the sarcasm and semantic wars
"Don't sweat the sort of technophile who would look down on someone for lack of computer science know-how. (Anyway, isn't that one of the unique advantages/points to using these sorts of editors (in lieu of software engineering)?) Still I expect better from a SC2Mapster mod. Or maybe not so much from Mozared who can be rude sometimes /fart"
Thank you for actually trying to help.
and Yeah, that's kind of annoying, i'm not the kind of person that let's that nonsense slide and if that escalates things than so be it.
Also this one will have a big impact on your editor performance.
Are you running 64-bit or 32-bit editor. 64-bit consumes quite a bit more memory resulting in long placement times.
Also if you don't require actual water terrain you could use water looking doodads to simulate the effect. This would be easier than just using the terrain editors basic water placement program.
Crashes in SC2E are extremely rare, considerably more rare than in WE for WC3.
If it is crashing frequently for you then that points towards something wrong with your computer. Specifically your computer either has a hardware defect or is overheating.
is there an easier way to place water? (faster too) because the editor is pissing me the fuck off with it's crashing bullshit.
getting tired of the editor pausing for a full 6 goddamn seconds every time I try to place water.
set your editor to lower editor display settings?
Maybe getting a better computer will help.
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Do you have hundreds upon hundreds of dollars to get the highest end PC on the market to hand over to me?
No?
Don't want to be rude, but if it comes off that way? so be it.
please don't suggest that, I really despise when people tell me this as if it's feasible or even remotely helpful as if :
1. I didn't already think of an obvious thing like that
2. Have such a disposable income where I can just waltz over to the store and buy a high end PC without issue
I just fucking bought this PC like a month ago (expensive as fuck and won't be buying another for years), and it still can't handle this fucking editor?
Nah.
"set your editor to lower editor display settings?"
If you mean "graphics" I've already tried setting it to the lowest settings.
now get this.
It ran EVEN WORSE!
:D
@stratostygo: Go
She's in Azerbaijan mate I doubt she has a single dollar to hand over lol.
Anyway this thread took a funny turn.
Are you just running the editor? Maybe other applications are affecting the performance.
Not sure what's "funny" about it, but if she's an azerbaijani than you'd think she know more than me how hard it is to afford new tech just for a stupid poorly made editor by a garbage company. :/
"Are you just running the editor? Maybe other applications are affecting the performance."
Yes, I experimented with a lot of things, graphic settings, only having the editor up, turning it off an on again, making sure only one map is loaded and no other editor windows etc.
Doubt it's my computer since this editor sucks on every other computer I used it on over the last 6 years.
maybe I'm cursed?
@stratostygo: Go
The issue is that you're not giving anybody any information. You literally asked "is there an easier way to place water?". There's no details, nothing about your PC specs, graphic settings, indications this may be a bug, nothing. With such an OP you can expect to get a "upgrade your PC/downgrade your graphic settings" in response, honestly.
If you bought a new PC a month ago and you're running the editor by itself with the lowest setting graphics, then you can pretty much rule performance out as an issue; it means there's something else going on. What does your map look like? How large is it, and how much stuff is there in it? What about the settings for this particular type of water? Are you using pre-made water or did you data-edit something up yourself? If so, there may be a bug there. How far zoomed out are you? This may make a difference as well (too far will sometimes cause weird placement issues).
@Mozared: Go
I have no reason to give you my PC specs, it has nothing to do with what I asked.
I don't want advice for my PC, I wanted an answer to an extremely simple question: "is there an easier way to place water? (faster too)"
Nothing else is necessary.
This thread might as well be closed, since clearly there isn't an easier way to do this. : /
The speed at which you're placing water, especially if it takes six seconds for it to pop up, has everything to do with your PC specs. If you had a NASA level PC, you'd very likely have no delays in placing water whatsoever, even if the current issue is clearly caused by something else.
Don't get me wrong: I don't give a flying crap about your PC specs. But you came here asking for help without giving anyone any details about your issue, and then tell everyone you "really despise it when people tell you this as if it's feasible or even remotely helpful". Because the truth is: it might have been. Folks here have no idea who you are: you could be a 15-year old bloke with no PC know-how who is trying to run the editor on his brothers' 12-year old PC on highest specs.
But to keep it simple, really: you have come here for help. You ask a very widely interpretable question without giving any details about your situation and then insinuate the people who try to give you a possibly helpful answer are stupid for doing so. Nobody's expecting you to lick any boots, but that attitude isn't going to get you very far. You might have noticed people have stopped replying altogether - I would hazard a guess that this is because folks don't particularly feel like trying to be helpful to you if you have no interest in working with them.
As for closing the thread: you made your bed, you lie in it.
I guess what people tried (& failed) to say is that they don't have a similar issue. Me, (with this mediocre laptop that can't even run Heroes once the minions spawn) I opened a blank 256x256 flat map and started placing water at various zoom levels, and had no glaring issues.
I doubt there is another way to create water than w/ the water tool in the terrain editor.
Don't sweat the sort of technophile who would look down on someone for lack of computer science know-how. (Anyway, isn't that one of the unique advantages/points to using these sorts of editors (in lieu of software engineering)?) Still I expect better from a SC2Mapster mod. Or maybe not so much from Mozared who can be rude sometimes /fart
@Mozared: Go
", has everything to do with your PC specs."
No it doesn't.
because it's not what I asked.
". But you came here asking for help without giving anyone any details about your issue, and then tell everyone you "really despise it when people tell you this as if it's feasible or even remotely helpful". Because the truth is: it might have been. Folks here have no idea who you are: you could be a 15-year old bloke with no PC know-how who is trying to run the editor on his brothers' 12-year old PC on highest specs."
K.
That has nothing to do with what I asked.
assumptions shouldn't be greenlit. if my stuff was unclear, than ask, don't tell me to buy another PC.
"is there an easier way to place water? " was the question, no where in there was "Hey guys I need PC advice" asked.
"You ask a very widely interpretable question "
Not really?
it's quite straightforward.
" insinuate the people who try to give you a possibly helpful answer are stupid for doing so"
How in the world is "buy a new PC" remotely useful?
it isn't.
it's worthless at best, annoying as all hell at worst.
" but that attitude isn't going to get you very far."
I don't really care frankly, I rarely get help anyway (with most things not just here, especially garbage steam and blizzard services) I don't expect it, and I'm not going to change myself so that people's feelings aren't hurt when they say pointless things like "buy a new PC :D"
half of my topics never get replies as it is, so what real difference would it make?
"You might have noticed people have stopped replying altogether"
Nope, because this happens to 90% of my topics anyway, it's something I expect.
" I would hazard a guess that this is because folks don't particularly feel like trying to be helpful to you if you have no interest in working with them."
What? by buying a new PC? what are you even talking about? I asked a specific question and got a snarky comment that does not help my situation in the least, how the hell is that on me?
"As for closing the thread: you made your bed, you lie in it."
What does that even mean in this context? what is the implication here? my point here is that nobody is actually answering my question and is either:
1. being snarky and pointless
2. Arguing with me over semantics
3. Pretending they have some profound revelation of my character as if I don't already know who I am and how I act
4. Some combination of the 4
"I doubt there is another way to create water than w/ the water tool in the terrain editor."
Thank you.
THIS is the kind of answer I was looking for, if there isn't an easier way, just say "no"
no need for the sarcasm and semantic wars
"Don't sweat the sort of technophile who would look down on someone for lack of computer science know-how. (Anyway, isn't that one of the unique advantages/points to using these sorts of editors (in lieu of software engineering)?) Still I expect better from a SC2Mapster mod. Or maybe not so much from Mozared who can be rude sometimes /fart"
Thank you for actually trying to help.
and Yeah, that's kind of annoying, i'm not the kind of person that let's that nonsense slide and if that escalates things than so be it.
What does your map look like?
How large is it, and how much stuff is there in it?
What about the settings for this particular type of water?
Are you using pre-made water or did you data-edit something up yourself? If so, there may be a bug there.
How far zoomed out are you? This may make a difference as well (too far will sometimes cause weird placement issues).
Still alive and kicking, just busy.
My guide to the trigger editor (still a work in progress)
@willuwontu: Go
Doesn't matter at this point
I was already told there is no easier way to put down water, so my question was finally answered.
@stratostygo: Go
Also this one will have a big impact on your editor performance.
Are you running 64-bit or 32-bit editor. 64-bit consumes quite a bit more memory resulting in long placement times.
Also if you don't require actual water terrain you could use water looking doodads to simulate the effect. This would be easier than just using the terrain editors basic water placement program.
Still alive and kicking, just busy.
My guide to the trigger editor (still a work in progress)
@willuwontu: Go
Well, I made sure to cover my grounds and launch both to test, and they were equally garbage.
Crashes in SC2E are extremely rare, considerably more rare than in WE for WC3.
If it is crashing frequently for you then that points towards something wrong with your computer. Specifically your computer either has a hardware defect or is overheating.
@ImperialGood: Go
Untrue.
I've used this editor on multiple PCs (at least 3/4) over the last 6 years.
it crashed frequently on them all.
So, no it is not my "computer"
it's the editor, most of things but blizzard's crap works fine
Or I'm cursed.
either way it's not PC.
Have you tried placing water on a fresh and empty map, too? Do you get the same problems then?
Also about crashing:
I experience a significant increase of crashes when having open more then one map at the same time. But when I don't, I have crashes very rarely.
[eating ^pop corn]
so much anger over feeling alone on mapster.. while i relate with how it can feel.. moz is nowhere near the person to harass about the situation!
we were trying to help and you just seem to need to vent?! fine, vent some more if you need/must.
we will still be here after, hopefully you will be too :)
...
On topic:
Some time spent trying to display on off every layer and trying to place water could help (shadders all off with preferences off etc)
Some wipe your sc map cache documents in memory cache
might help
some flowers for peace: