the comparsion was there to state the monopoly a known mapper has.. obviously i would never compare any of my maps to something like eletd.
it was just his fame generating tons of people replying - and that is another thing that really sucks and helps nobody..
I know the horse has been beaten to death, but it's not a pulp yet. You miss the point completely. There is no monopoly. Whatever fame I may have only gets people to look in my direction, once. If my map is crap, I guarantee you nothing is going to happen. So, how does that suck and help nobody? You act like the victim when you have only yourself to blame.
because the thing still is, someone could think that a mapping community has members that care about maps (and not only their own maps). and that is not the fact - thats why the sc2 mapping community in general starts to annoy me. and that is why i started to insult it. i am sorry if that offended you, but i just dont like it.
The community does care about maps, and not only their own maps. The catch, is that people care only about things that interest them. If your maps and threads are boring, how can you possibly expect anyone to comment? You seem to have this sense of entitlement as if you are a mapper that deserves attention. But, what you need to realize is such a thing is earned.
Judging by the last line of the quote along with all your other responses, I think it's best for everyone (yourself included) if you go find another hobby. Honestly dude, you're acting like a 7 year old and it's sad to see. Your ignorance and arrogance are beyond help from anyone here.
If you want increase your chances to success, do plagiarism. Take name directly from popular thing and build map around it (however if you gonna copy another map it is not recommended, your map will be compared to other similar map, especially if you take name directly from another map and remake it for SCII).
Name is one of the biggest factors to make your map success faster (THE Card Game, name already indicates that it is somehow related to cards).
@Gorandor - what part of "its not about the stupid herowars remake map" dont you get?
i can say it again - its NOT about herowars, I KNOW THAT MAP SUCKS AND THAT NOBODY WANT TO PLAY IT - THANKS.
but that tankwars, what this issue is about, is not a copy of anything, it's an idea a mate and i had and we started to work on it - it is not a fancy third person shooter or an super awesome new type of genre, but its not a copy of anything existing, so how the hell do you want to know if its any good?
thats one thing you guys seem to ignore here, but how often shall i say this? pah..
and yeah, definitly i aim at making money whit mapping, to become a total famous mapping-star... seriously? god.. can you at least try to understand my issue? im not an fucking idiot even if you guys here now think that, just because you dont get the point of my problem...
The community does care about maps, and not only their own maps. The catch, is that people care only about things that interest them. If your maps and threads are boring, how can you possibly expect anyone to comment? You seem to have this sense of entitlement as if you are a mapper that deserves attention. But, what you need to realize is such a thing is earned.
Judging by the last line of the quote along with all your other responses, I think it's best for everyone (yourself included) if you go find another hobby. Honestly dude, you're acting like a 7 year old and it's sad to see. Your ignorance and arrogance are beyond help from anyone here.
it may be my bad english that prevents me from making clear what i mean, but you just dont get it. seriously!
i am NOT saying that i deserve any attention for anything, i NEVER said any of my maps should be compared to the top maps we have here in the community and also i NEVER said that i am a mapper that has to be recognized or "well known".
the problem about the "monopoly" thing is the following...
because everyone knows your map is possibly very nice they are posting and commenting in your thread - THAT is NOT the problem, you deserve it and that is good - the issue here is that mappers that have NO name, that haven't done any maps with 10000 hrs of playtime, projects that are based on known and awesome games or whatever get basically no attention at all in any way - no matter how perfect their english is, how awesome their thread describing the map is.
people care about things that interest them - of course!
but how does anyone find out if they dont play it? - okay, okay - providing screenshots and videos could take care of that, i know now - but also could just giving it a try!
i know that a mapper has to do lots of additional work to present his map besides the coding itself - but do you think i dont know that? do you think i would have bought an domain, set up a website and forum for my herowars map and started advertising in other mapping forums aswell if i wouldnt know that?
now, that i have everyone against here me thinking im a total idiot, while everyone tells me the same shit over and over again but not really getting my point, i definitly feel stupid.
i most definitly wont stop mapping now nor leave this community or stop posting any threads here (regardless of me now getting probably less answers... but whatever).
i'll try to work on my english and will take the advice about screenshots and videos while promoting a map and try to ignore the issue i have with the community and their caring about nonames.
thanks for the people actually helping or posting thing regarding my actual issue and not stupiditly flaming be because ANOTHER project that actually sucks.
wow please IliliIIPatchOne..
no offense, i dont know your map but coming into this discussion and telling how awesome your map is kinda sucks.
and if it would be that awesome it would have more playtime than (right now) 18 hours on the tug page.
I use to make lots of map reviews at the EU map nights. But if you come to the forums with this attitude, people won't bother reviewing your maps.
I use to make lots of map reviews at the EU map nights. But if you come to the forums with this attitude, people won't bother reviewing your maps.
yeah i remember that post, and i would do it again.
the discussion was about good and new tug of war maps, and all you did was posting "play corefight, play corefight"
tell me where i said my map is awesome or anything like that? again anyone here read anything that i posted?
all i wanted is to know why people ignore nonameĀ“s map threads. but hey, please why dont you guys flame me again several time because my herowars sucks so damn hard?
as the last lines of my last post may indicate, this discussion is over for me. thanks.
Astonished you still don't start your sentences with capitals. It probably sounds silly, but if anything this would help people take you're threads more seriously.
all i wanted is to know why people ignore nonameĀ“s map threads.
I guess it's because the presentation of map failed to entertain or grab attention of masses. You know playing map once is still playing map, and if I think that map is boring why should I force 20 or so minutes of boredom upon myself?
I looked into your thread, I'll be fair, I dislike Player vs Player games. the only PvP games I play are the ones where fun and excitement exceeds fear of failure. (Think Photon Cycles, even though it's PvP it's still damn fun even if you die). Did you describe your game as fun or exciting? Did you show anything attention grabbing which would make me want to play it? All I read was "this is just another PvP Defense, it features tanks and color(element) system". And you showed a layout of terrain.. which was nothing special.
So my verdict was "a generic map of map type I dislike", got nothing to say. So tell me, is there anything special in that map which would make me want to play it?
Add something to it. Maybe even something as ridiculous as Siege tanks catapulting banelings into their enemies. For that unusual thing alone I might had played this map in b-net, at least once, even though I dislike pvp.
But it's just me, maybe I'm wrong, who knows..
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I think he means relatively famous within the community.
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Blizzard hires people that make great custom maps...... That would be cool :D
I know the horse has been beaten to death, but it's not a pulp yet. You miss the point completely. There is no monopoly. Whatever fame I may have only gets people to look in my direction, once. If my map is crap, I guarantee you nothing is going to happen. So, how does that suck and help nobody? You act like the victim when you have only yourself to blame.
The community does care about maps, and not only their own maps. The catch, is that people care only about things that interest them. If your maps and threads are boring, how can you possibly expect anyone to comment? You seem to have this sense of entitlement as if you are a mapper that deserves attention. But, what you need to realize is such a thing is earned.
Judging by the last line of the quote along with all your other responses, I think it's best for everyone (yourself included) if you go find another hobby. Honestly dude, you're acting like a 7 year old and it's sad to see. Your ignorance and arrogance are beyond help from anyone here.
One can only hope.
If you want increase your chances to success, do plagiarism. Take name directly from popular thing and build map around it (however if you gonna copy another map it is not recommended, your map will be compared to other similar map, especially if you take name directly from another map and remake it for SCII).
Name is one of the biggest factors to make your map success faster (THE Card Game, name already indicates that it is somehow related to cards).
@Gorandor - what part of "its not about the stupid herowars remake map" dont you get?
i can say it again - its NOT about herowars, I KNOW THAT MAP SUCKS AND THAT NOBODY WANT TO PLAY IT - THANKS.
but that tankwars, what this issue is about, is not a copy of anything, it's an idea a mate and i had and we started to work on it - it is not a fancy third person shooter or an super awesome new type of genre, but its not a copy of anything existing, so how the hell do you want to know if its any good?
thats one thing you guys seem to ignore here, but how often shall i say this? pah..
and yeah, definitly i aim at making money whit mapping, to become a total famous mapping-star... seriously? god.. can you at least try to understand my issue? im not an fucking idiot even if you guys here now think that, just because you dont get the point of my problem...
it may be my bad english that prevents me from making clear what i mean, but you just dont get it. seriously!
i am NOT saying that i deserve any attention for anything, i NEVER said any of my maps should be compared to the top maps we have here in the community and also i NEVER said that i am a mapper that has to be recognized or "well known".
the problem about the "monopoly" thing is the following...
because everyone knows your map is possibly very nice they are posting and commenting in your thread - THAT is NOT the problem, you deserve it and that is good - the issue here is that mappers that have NO name, that haven't done any maps with 10000 hrs of playtime, projects that are based on known and awesome games or whatever get basically no attention at all in any way - no matter how perfect their english is, how awesome their thread describing the map is.
people care about things that interest them - of course!
but how does anyone find out if they dont play it? - okay, okay - providing screenshots and videos could take care of that, i know now - but also could just giving it a try!
i know that a mapper has to do lots of additional work to present his map besides the coding itself - but do you think i dont know that? do you think i would have bought an domain, set up a website and forum for my herowars map and started advertising in other mapping forums aswell if i wouldnt know that?
now, that i have everyone against here me thinking im a total idiot, while everyone tells me the same shit over and over again but not really getting my point, i definitly feel stupid.
i most definitly wont stop mapping now nor leave this community or stop posting any threads here (regardless of me now getting probably less answers... but whatever).
i'll try to work on my english and will take the advice about screenshots and videos while promoting a map and try to ignore the issue i have with the community and their caring about nonames.
thanks for the people actually helping or posting thing regarding my actual issue and not stupiditly flaming be because ANOTHER project that actually sucks.
I'll reply you with a quote from yourself:
I use to make lots of map reviews at the EU map nights. But if you come to the forums with this attitude, people won't bother reviewing your maps.
yeah i remember that post, and i would do it again.
the discussion was about good and new tug of war maps, and all you did was posting "play corefight, play corefight"
tell me where i said my map is awesome or anything like that? again anyone here read anything that i posted?
all i wanted is to know why people ignore nonameĀ“s map threads. but hey, please why dont you guys flame me again several time because my herowars sucks so damn hard?
as the last lines of my last post may indicate, this discussion is over for me. thanks.
Astonished you still don't start your sentences with capitals. It probably sounds silly, but if anything this would help people take you're threads more seriously.
I guess it's because the presentation of map failed to entertain or grab attention of masses. You know playing map once is still playing map, and if I think that map is boring why should I force 20 or so minutes of boredom upon myself?
I looked into your thread, I'll be fair, I dislike Player vs Player games. the only PvP games I play are the ones where fun and excitement exceeds fear of failure. (Think Photon Cycles, even though it's PvP it's still damn fun even if you die). Did you describe your game as fun or exciting? Did you show anything attention grabbing which would make me want to play it? All I read was "this is just another PvP Defense, it features tanks and color(element) system". And you showed a layout of terrain.. which was nothing special.
So my verdict was "a generic map of map type I dislike", got nothing to say. So tell me, is there anything special in that map which would make me want to play it?
Add something to it. Maybe even something as ridiculous as Siege tanks catapulting banelings into their enemies. For that unusual thing alone I might had played this map in b-net, at least once, even though I dislike pvp.
But it's just me, maybe I'm wrong, who knows..