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Barrier of time

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    #1 Apr 18, 2012 at 14:42 UTC - 1 like

    Imagine a barrier across the circumference of the earth. When you touch this barrier you are instantly teleported to the other side. There is but one significant difference between the sides and that is time, on the opposite side time flows backwards. Keep in mind though that you always move forwards in your own sense of time and the side you are on will be 'normal' and the opposite will always be backwards, meaning that no one actually walks or talks backwards this only happens when observing the other side. If two civilizations developed on the opposite sides one civilizations history would be the other ones future.

    Some interesting questions come to mind when imagining this and i have given them some thought myself: (Write them down before looking at other people if you don't want to spoil it :) )

    If you are walking towards it and are planning to cross it is there anything you should see?

    Can you have a conversation with someone on the other side without crossing it?

    Could the two civilizations wage war upon eachother? What happens when you shoot someone on the other side?

    (Considering free will, paradoxes and parallel universes doesn't exist)

    Last edited Apr 19, 2012 by SheogorathSC: Make SoulFilcher look bad.
    #2 Apr 18, 2012 at 14:53 UTC - 0 likes

    -Anti spoiler-

    #3 Apr 18, 2012 at 17:36 UTC - 0 likes

    Backwards flowing time? Take that, entropy!

    #4 Apr 18, 2012 at 17:51 UTC - 0 likes

    I really like what you're trying to do, but I can't wrap my head around your concept. How can 'time flow backwards' on the other side of the wall? Doesn't this just mean you start off in the stone age and end up with a galactic civilization while the people from across the wall are wearing space suits and degenerate into apes? I can't visualize the thing, which means I can't speculate over it.

    #5 Apr 18, 2012 at 18:12 UTC - 0 likes

    @Mozared: Go

    Well, i think you might have started thinking to grand and got caught up on the civilization thing. You could first just try and think what happens if you throw a ball through the barrier and it might get your mindset right. But you are correct, when one civilization is crawling unto land the other is intergalactic, the big bang will be the end of one and perhaps the 'big freeze' will be the end of the other. But on that scale it gets kinda weird, does the barrier stretch out into space? Why don't the whole race migrate to other side and start live their lives backward?

    #6 Apr 18, 2012 at 18:16 UTC - 0 likes

    I can't even think about it. What are you smoking bro? lol

    #7 Apr 18, 2012 at 18:21 UTC - 0 likes

    @SoulFilcher: Go

    I might give a shot explaining some of the questions so this thread doesn't get flooded with confusion, if it doesn't add more that is :D

    #8 Apr 18, 2012 at 20:56 UTC - 0 likes
    Quote from SheogorathSC: Go

    @Mozared: Go

    Well, i think you might have started thinking to grand and got caught up on the civilization thing. You could first just try and think what happens if you throw a ball through the barrier and it might get your mindset right. But you are correct, when one civilization is crawling unto land the other is intergalactic, the big bang will be the end of one and perhaps the 'big freeze' will be the end of the other. But on that scale it gets kinda weird, does the barrier stretch out into space? Why don't the whole race migrate to other side and start live their lives backward?

    You were saying that if you go through the time barrier, your mind 'adapts'. As in you start seeing people walk backwards. Does this mean time still goes forwards for you personally, even if you go through the barrier? Because if not, it'd be pretty baller seeing how you could live forever at any age of your preference by going through the barrier daily and alternating between sides.

    #9 Apr 18, 2012 at 21:25 UTC - 0 likes

    @Mozared: Go

    The people on the other side are always backwards no matter what side you are on. If you go through nothing will change from your point of view, you never go backwards, you could see another copy of yourself on the other side going backwards but not you per se. This is the answer to what you will see going towards the barrier planning to go through it, you will see yourself going backwards towards the same point and when you meet you will 'switch' places and then you will see yourself going away from it.

    No way you can live forever, you could alternate to stay in one point of time but it wont stop your aging. This also allows you to see a large number of copies of yourself.

    #10 Apr 18, 2012 at 21:28 UTC - 0 likes

    Well, ignoring millions of things that simply wouldnt work, I can get to a few conclusions. By the start and the end of such civilizations it would be impossible to go through the wall and live in that society, they would be too different. Maybe only during a small portions of history a person would be able to switch sides and still live there. For your second question I feel it is more based on your own details about this hypothetical situation. Are people literally going backwards on the opposite of the wall? If they are the sounds they produce is backwards when they talk? Does it get reversed when it crosses the wall? Why would you shoot somebody through the wall? If a person can cross it by simply walking, then a bullet can cross it too. I guess the person would die, but the complications based on the fact everything there is backwards are impossible to understand.

    #11 Apr 18, 2012 at 22:10 UTC - 0 likes

    Anything crossing the barrier would be reversed and sent directly back to the other side - hence no communication or sight is possible because the same would apply to stuff like light and soundwaves?

    If all else fails; the answer is rocks. Lots of rocks.

    EDIT: Now that I think about it, wouldn't it just stand still on the very edge of the barrier? If i threw a rock through the barrier, by my logic, it would return, but then it would be reversed again, but then again nothing from the other side of the barrier can affect me, but... but... butt?

    EDIT2: Because I totally didn't think about it before. Not at aaaaallll...

    Last edited Apr 18, 2012 by Neonsz

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    #12 Apr 19, 2012 at 11:10 UTC - 0 likes

    I think you can get a stable time loop with this.

    Having a conversation with the other side seems awesome.
    You can't really communicate in traditional ways. If you speak to them in reverse they'll understand but it won't have an impact you can see because time goes backwards.
    So first what you do is you cross onto the other side, to a remote place with noone around. Then you go back to your side and wait for 10 years. You write down all the technical advances made in that period of time and memorize them backwards. Go to the other side and tell the people this information and tell them to go to the remote place you were 10 years ago (10 years in the future for them) and give you said information (in reverse, that is).

    They do this and your past self gets all the information. You repeat this process over and over again until every bit of information you can possibly know is known.

    So far so good. How does this play out if you need a stable time loop? Pretty simple. Your young self gets ALL information and gives them ALL information so they can give it to your younger self. That's a stable time loop.

    So in your scenario simply the fact you think of this plan would allow you to have all information.
    Ofc there are a few problems with this, namely you can't memorize all information there is. It'd work though if you can take objects with you. A USB stick for example.

    I love time travel so much <3

    #13 Apr 19, 2012 at 14:06 UTC - 0 likes

    Awright, seems like some people are telling me that this simply wouldn't work and i admit i have no actual answer to any of this; i have what i believe will happen and i think it adds up but unless we have a time professor or a wiki page there are no certainties. So consider this a IMO disclaimer over all my previous and future posts in this thread.

    Let's say we have a body going through the barrier, from were it's standing it takes 5 Time Units, TU, to get close enough to get teleported. At 1, ... ,5 TU it is at diffrent points which are at diffrent distances from the barrier, coming closer and closer. If we as observers were to cross the barrier at the exact same time as the body and started counting backwards at the time of teleportation although our perception of time didn't change, we would get 5 opposite points at the other side of the barrier, considering it keeps constant velocity. Now we can figure out that if a observer were standing on the side it started on they would have seen the body on both their side and the opposite in each point of time 1:1 TU to 5:5 TU and all inbetween. The never body reaches the 6 TU point in time and therefore the body seems to simply vanish at the point of teleportation for the side that is sending it and i assume the opposite will happen for the opposite side, it simply appears out of thin air with it's copy going the other way. (Body as in the scientific term and if don't get 'TU' just think of it as seconds, it was meant as a generic time unit.)

    In a practical example this would mean if you throw a ball for someone to catch on the other side the catch would be played backwards at the same time as the throw the from the throwers point of view and the ball and the copy would hit the same spot on opposite sides and vanish. For the catcher the ball would simply appear flying against him at the same time the throw is played backwards at the opposite side.

    #14 Apr 19, 2012 at 14:41 UTC - 0 likes

    So basically this post is about mirrors?

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