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#348 Aug 31, 2011 at 23:47 UTC - 0 likes

he's not dyslexic, all we're saying is that mafia will give us a ton of bonus popularity... THAT'S ALL

point settled k?

michael: we clear the area before we call for survivors....... mark: so we mop the floor before we spill blood everywhere? ......michael: that's an order

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#349 Aug 31, 2011 at 23:48 UTC - 0 likes

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That is what I meant, thanks. And I'm pretty sure it will. Do you play mafia? Do you remember the outrage when there was a statreset?

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Wow... I really shouldn't reply to that, but I just have to. You seem to be either dyslexic or as non-objective as taco. Imagine this: Before all this drama user X writes a post "Hey, Battle Planets is great and all, but for reason Y it is not fitted to become MotW.", and I agree to this reason. Without any hesitation I continue supporting the project. But then you agree on using map Z which is already on page 1 or 2 (let's for the heck of it call it Income Wars), and I immediately resign. Now the question for 100 points: Why? You don't have to agree with it, you just have to understand what I mean.

But thats the whole point of the first map, WE DONT WANT TO "PROMOTE" A MAP FOR FIRST MAP. We want to get the "MOTW" map slot to page one, thats the ONLY POINT of the first map. Honestly, if the author would let us, I would make the first map nexus wars in heart beat. So that Next week, when we put battle planets as the map,LOADS of people would be playing it, due to it being on page one. Haven a page 1 already map helps everyone else. Thats the only reason for haven to pick the first map... there shouldn't have been a vote for first map, it honestly should have been the highest popularity map we could find.

[and to the bank issue, one week of not haven items wont hurt anyone, haven stat resets means it gone forever, while this does not.]

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#350 Aug 31, 2011 at 23:50 UTC - 0 likes

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Wow... I really shouldn't reply to that, but I just have to. You seem to be either dyslexic or as non-objective as taco.

non-objective? dear god you're lost... all we've been saying is the objective perspective... you're the one talking about "OH GOD DON"T CHOOSE THAT MAP, IT"S POPULAR AND DOESN"T DESERVE ANY MORE ATTENTION"

who cares... we need to steal its popularity to succeed

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#351 Aug 31, 2011 at 23:53 UTC - 0 likes

oh i finally get it...

you're just mad cus we're ignoring the polls

well, in that case, we will definitely make bp map #2, but we do need that popularity boost to get started k?

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#352 Aug 31, 2011 at 23:54 UTC - 0 likes

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Honestly, I don't think anyone understands what you mean at this point. My last post was my true feelings. You an ignorant, immature tool who is alone sabotaging a great opportunity for this project. Here are some facts:

Dark could publish Map of the Week and the original Mafia. This would keep all the banks intact.
A bonus of 100 points could be given to any players who visits the "dummy Mafia" map, that really does nothing except saying "Go play Map of the Week". That way, players aren't pissed that they were thrown into a fake game, but instead go and play the real version.
Playing the Map of the Week version could give an extra 50% points for playing.
This would resolve the bank issue, the Mafia popularity issue, and every other issue that I can think of.

I see no reason to not go with Mafia for week 1.

Actually, how about this. We start with Battle Planets. 1 week is up, we take it off. For that entire week you can enjoy the 150 hours of popularity it has. The next week we can put up Mafia, and we can all enjoy the 15,000 hours of popularity, and the potential to get this project rolling.

It is up to you. See the logic, or don't. You are one person, and I will NOT let you sabotage this project with your ignorance.

EDIT: What Molsterr said. It is what I have been trying to say the entire time.

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#353 Aug 31, 2011 at 23:55 UTC - 0 likes

Puma it's funny how you change from seemingly rational to stupid flaming again in just a few minutes, and you wonder why I don't care about your pm.

And yeah, I get the appeal of using one popular map in the beginning (although Taco initially did not say and mean it that way), I'm just saying it's not only stupid, it probably won't even work.

gl hf now guys, I'm out of this thread.

(Rev does not have an EU account, and his EU uploader is not the most reliable, you probably don't wanna have him do it... and wow, how can you be so full of yourself :D)

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#354 Aug 31, 2011 at 23:57 UTC - 0 likes

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Dark could publish Map of the Week. This would keep all the banks intact.

haven Sixen publish it would be best for pop wise.. a good deal of people know him from the forums..ect I know you were just given an example but... lol

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#355 Aug 31, 2011 at 23:57 UTC - 0 likes

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not to be an ass, but if my map had 150 hours of popularity i would cry with tears of joy :(

but that is a great point

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Puma it's funny how you change from seemingly rational to stupid flaming again in just a few minutes, and you wonder why I don't care about your pm.

i'm not irrational... i'm just disagreeing with him, which proves how dense his bias is dug into his soul

bye bye finally

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#358 Sep 01, 2011 at 00:01 UTC - 0 likes

Did he really call me dyslexic lol? I hope I get the 100 points as well :P

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#359 Sep 01, 2011 at 00:07 UTC - 0 likes

i wanna say i hate that guy, but he is just bias to the point of autism... maybe it's not his fault, but it's a bad case of "you don't agree with me... go fuck yourself, you irrational dyslexic assholes. you're all wrong blah blah blah." he never even said his point other than "don't make mafia the map"

srry bout aiding another issue, but i'm starting to realize that he was in the wrong... look at his first post on this thread: he obviously doesn't care much

EDIT: for all i know, that guy was just intentionally starting shit over something he didn't care about. maybe that ass just wanted a laugh at the project's expense. I wouldn't doubt it

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#360 Sep 01, 2011 at 00:08 UTC - 0 likes

@xSun: Go

I will get reprimanded for this, but I'll probably keep my job. (If anyone can tell me what TV show I got that from, I will actually love you, In a brotherly, internet sort of way :D )

Alright, here we go. Deep breath, and...

/Start Rage (As community member, NOT mod)

Good, get the hell out. I can't speak for anyone else, but I am sure as hell glad you are gone. You are the one who is being unreasonable. As soon as puma started disagreeing with you, you wouldn't even speak to him. You are an unreasonable, immature, ignorant, selfish child.

And no, you are wrong, again. I have been saying that from the beginning, if you would pay attention.

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No offense to the maker of Battle Planets, but I think it would be a bad choice to start the Map of the Week off with. We really need something with a big bang. The first two maps are the most important. The first map is what will get people interested. If it is good, they will expect maps of similar quality. The second map is equally as important as the first. Players who played the first map will be reassured that all of the maps will be of high quality. Players who have not played the map before will be influenced by the same forces the first map provided.

As we upload more maps, this becomes less important. If even the third map is not of as high of quality as the first two, players will still have acceptable reactions. Players who have played before will toss the map aside as one mediocre map, and will eagerly await the release of the next. New players will hear veterans talking about who awesome the first two were, and will think the same thing, that this is just one mediocre map and that they should check back later.

However, this means that we always need one really good map standing by. If a map doesn't do so well, we need a proven-to-be-fun map ready at hand to replace it, to bring back player's confidence in the quality of our maps.

The point? The release date should be change from "Very Soon!" to "We will see." Smashcraft + Mafia, TOFU + Mafia, (preferably SOTIS + Mafia, but I don't think the creator is still active on this site, is he?)

I think the first map should be a really fun, but somewhat low on the popularity list map, AKA Smashcraft or TOFU (TOFU obviously because it hasn't been released) Mafia should be second. If we start out with Smashcraft, we will be able to use Mafia as the second map. Most people will love Smashcraft. Those that don't like the play style but respect the game will come back to see what is next. The transition from Smashcraft to Mafia I think would demonstrate the high quality of the maps, and the diversity as well. This will keep players playing the map.

These are just examples BTW. If Mephs, DogmaiSEA and DarkRevelant are not willing to participate than I think we should find similar maps. TOFU should definitely be near the beginning, probably as that "We need a boost" map I mentioned.

So yeah, that is my opinion on the issue.

Oh and for the record, when my map is completed in 1-4 months, count me in :D

/End Rage

Phew, glad that's over. Let's get down to business.

I think that having Sixen publish would get us a couple more hours, but having the banks intact and working would I think add quite a bit more. Dark is a mod, and someone we can easily trust. I vote him for the first map, and then Sixen for the rest. As for EU, I don't know how that would work.

Also, has anyone actually tested the banks? I remember OneTwo saying in one of his tutorials that you could accidentally access someone else's bank if you name it the same thing, but he could have been mistaken. I think it was one of his BETA tutorials anyways.

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#361 Sep 01, 2011 at 00:11 UTC - 0 likes

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I think that having Sixen publish would get us a couple more hours, but having the banks intact and working would I think add quite a bit more. Dark is a mod, and someone we can easily trust. I vote him for the first map, and then Sixen for the rest. As for EU, I don't know how that would work.

I dont think you get it...

You can only have 1 publisher...or the popularity is reset..so its not "him host, then switch" its sixen always lol.

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#362 Sep 01, 2011 at 00:15 UTC - 0 likes

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i love how you brushed off everything except for the business portion

that was pretty beast

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#363 Sep 01, 2011 at 00:19 UTC - 0 likes

I'll try to make clear what problem I see with taking an already popular map although I do think that it can boost the popularity of motw (I just think you overestimate the effect):

- When Mafia is taken down (aka a dummy map is put up) the players won't have their points, hats etc. and if they play the motw mafia, they will lose everything they gained there after a week. A lot of people keep playing mafia because they want to unlock the next model etc. Those people might just decide to not play Mafia at all during that time.

- Mafia will tell players to go to the motw. But when motw isn't popular yet, a lot of people probably won't look up the map just to play Mafia. They will rather go play another already popular map.

- During this week the original map will be played less, which actually hurts Mafia.

-Having Rev as the uploader for NA would work for the first point I made, but as xSun already said, it couldn't work for EU.

So I think it would be okay to use a popular map, but it probably won't boost the project as much as you think (you won't get the people that don't really care one way or the other).

I would prefer advertising in those popular maps, for example DR could tell people to play the motw in his loading screen (as he can't add something to the map itself anymore), other mappers could do the same or mention motw in their maps. That way, motw could get a boost from those popular maps, while it has the appeal of bringing something new every week that people can try instead of having to go there or even search for it when they just wanted to play Mafia.

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#364 Sep 01, 2011 at 00:23 UTC - 0 likes

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i like you a lot better than xsun... he just insulted the living crap out of us without stating ANY of those points...

the ads in the pop maps' loading screens is actually quite brilliant, and yes, it would hurt mafia

regardless of that, it would get us more popularity than just posting and advertising bp

EDIT: can you pm him and see if he'll listen to you? because he doesn't give a damn about any breathing thing that disagrees with him

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#365 Sep 01, 2011 at 00:23 UTC - 0 likes

You could also throw in a reason for his players to play the MoTW version. Maybe give a code that can be used once to give X points on the "real" game once its back up. [though until the next patch, the code cant be unique to each player, so people could share] but theres a good deal of people that wouldnt, so they would play to get that code.

Obviously thats not an ideal solution, but you get the idea.

And I dont think maken a already popular map the MOTW will sky rocket it to first place all by itself, but I do think its a VERY needed boost that we should take full advantage of, and will indeed help a GREAT deal.

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#366 Sep 01, 2011 at 00:26 UTC - 0 likes

and that... is compromise...

thnks guys for being more rational

we need to ask the author of mafia about all of this

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i'm counting on you taco to help clear that issue

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#367 Sep 01, 2011 at 00:27 UTC - 0 likes

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Hmmm, didn't think of that lol. But at that point, won't a ton of people still know about the map? It would be a toss up. A lot of people will get mad about the lack of banks. Are you 100% sure that banks are publisher specific? I haven't actually looked at any bank files so I don't know.

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You do have some good points... However, I think that many people play Mafia because it is an awesome game. I know most of the people that play don't play just for the hats, they play because it is a super fun and unique game.

As for the publishers, I am beginning to lean all the way in agreeing that Sixen must be the publisher. I don't want to risk losing everything once we gain so much. As for the effect, I think it will be somewhere in the middle of our estimates. I think that it would land on the second page with JUST the Mafia dummy. Add in a ton of organized ads at the same time, I think we will then be looking at first page. Somehow schedule that with a full reset, I think it could get to the top 3.

But those are just guesses. Just putting "Go play MOTW" in the loading screen or something will not help nearly as much. Dark has already agreed to do this, so we don't have to worry about that. As for getting Mafia back on page 1 afterwards, that shouldn't be a problem.

EDIT: As for the loading screens, that is a great idea for other maps. Like I said, we have permission to actually use Mafia to piggyback to the first page, so we should take advantage of that.

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#368 Sep 01, 2011 at 00:29 UTC - 0 likes

Unless something has changed since back when I helped with the bank restrictions research. Banks are/were saved to folder based on the publisher of the map,

Otherwise anyone who names their bank "saves" or "information" ...ect would all be sharing the same bank ^_~

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#369 Sep 01, 2011 at 00:30 UTC - 0 likes

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i like you a lot better than xsun...

Aww... how can you only like one part of my personality? :(

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